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Re: Conductive Paint for Microcircuit Repair...
I have a bunch of highly conductive 2 part silver epoxy but it is past expiration date and a bit hard to mix.? It does solidify very well after mixing though.? It might work?? I have a whole bunch of the small sets of part A and B if you are inclined to want to play with some.
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On 7/16/2024 1:14 PM, Chuck Harris via groups.io wrote:
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Re: Conductive Paint for Microcircuit Repair...
Years ago when I used to paint cars with laquer, thinner was available
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in several grades, depending on application temperature. You wanted the solvent to flash off in a reasonable time, not too fast and not too slow. The grades were generally fast, medium and slow. Well, you can still get slow laquer thinner, although I don't think you'll like the price. However, looking up the mds shows it a near equal combination of acetone, methanol and toluene with the remainder mostly naptha and a teeny bit of heptane. You might try thinning that with toluene and/or naptha and see how it behaves. Paul On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 12:24:56PM -0400, Chuck Harris wrote:
A form of silver print is what I used before, it came in --
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Re: Conductive Paint for Microcircuit Repair...
Hi Peter,
The first time I tried, I used it at factory dilution. However, over the 10 years since I did it last, the syringes hardened... So, I reliquified them with acetone... The acetone did a nice job of dissolving the paint, but now it dries even faster. So, I let (Hah! I let!) the acetone evaporate a bit, and then replaced it with MEK, which is like acetone with a slower evaporation rate, but, it didn't help enough. I even thinned the stuff with MEK to 3x the volume, but the MEK still lets the paint skin over too quickly. I could buy new, but I would be back where I started. I was hoping that there was a better form of the silver print. There is a one part epoxy available, that is heat cured, but it requires 2-300C for 15 seconds, which I think will melt the kapton substrate. -Chuck Harris On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 12:44:08 -0400 "Peter Gottlieb" <hpnpilot@...> wrote: I have the same kind of repair to do and have not found an acceptable |
Re: 8702A service manual
Hello Wayne, I have an 8702A which?IIRC is an 8753C with firmware to support the optical function by using the optical S parameter test set (which I do not have). Apparently one could mix optical and electrical measurements with the proper test set but I just select?electrical as I only have the S Parameter test set for electrical.? AFAIK the base electronics hardware on the 8702A and the 8753 are identical only the firmware is different so if you can find a manual for the 8753 you should be good to go. As far as the external display goes I don't know but I believe some members on the EEVblog forum site have converted the 8753's to an LCD display so that might be an option for you. Sam W3OHM Sam Reaves
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Re: Conductive Paint for Microcircuit Repair...
I have the same kind of repair to do and have not found an acceptable solution.
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Would your paint work if a little extra solvent was added and mixed in? Peter On 7/16/2024 12:24 PM, Chuck Harris via groups.io wrote:
A form of silver print is what I used before, it came in |
Re: Conductive Paint for Microcircuit Repair...
A form of silver print is what I used before, it came in
little 1ml syringes. The problem is the solvent evaporates quickly enough that between dipping the one hair brush into the paint, and touching the damaged spot, the paint has skinned over, and won't transfer. The last time I did it, I put the paint right next to the damage, and dipped, moved 0.1", and painted. Even with that small distance, the paint laid down like a mixture of straw and thick mud, as the crust that formed on the wet paint on the brush laid down in sheets and strings on the repair. Got to be a better way! -Chuck Harris On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 10:33:52 -0400 "Michael A. Terrell" <terrell.michael.a@...> wrote: I used to use General Cement Silver Print to repair conductive |
Re: Conductive Paint for Microcircuit Repair...
I used to use General Cement Silver Print? to repair conductive traces. I believe it was a lacquer with very fine silver particles in suspension. I don't know if it is still available, because my? satellite internet can take an hour and a dozen tries to open most web pages. during the day. It is to be replaced by a fiber optic service, but that hasn't? happened yet. On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 8:55?AM Chuck Harris via <cfharris=[email protected]> wrote: Hi Gang, |
Re: Conductive Paint for Microcircuit Repair...
Ok. I saw the arm-hair statement, but not the fact that that was the width of the trace.
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Thanks. DaveD KC0WJN ============================== All spelling mistakes are the responsibilty of the reader (Rick Renz, STK, ca. 1994) ============================== On Jul 16, 2024, at 09:50, Chuck Harris via groups.io <cfharris@...> wrote: |
Re: Conductive Paint for Microcircuit Repair...
As I stated in my original post, about 0.04mm, or one of
my arm hairs. -Chuck Harris On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 09:47:12 -0400 "Dave Daniel" <kc0wjn@...> wrote: What is the width of the flex cable trace under discussion? |
Re: Conductive Paint for Microcircuit Repair...
What is the width of the flex cable trace under discussion?
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DaveD KC0WJN ============================== All spelling mistakes are the responsibilty of the reader (Rick Renz, STK, ca. 1994) ============================== On Jul 16, 2024, at 09:45, Chuck Harris via groups.io <cfharris@...> wrote: |
Re: Conductive Paint for Microcircuit Repair...
Hmmm?
"Masking" tape is generally made of crepe paper that has crenulations that are bigger than my entire trace width. I suppose some kapton tape pieces could be arranged to make some sort of mask... Thanks for the idea... I will think on it. -Chuck Harris On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 08:07:06 -0500 "Dave Casey" <polara413@...> wrote:
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HP 8557A Start-Up Calibration & Linear Mode - Errors in Manual?
Hey y'all!? I was hoping to get some help or clarification on the start-up calibration procedure for the HP 8557A/8558B spectrum analyzer plug-in.? First, I did not get this unit in working order and I have completed a lot of restoration on it. Also, I've never used/owned a spectrum analyzer before this unit, which likely contributes to the trouble I'm having.?
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The problem I'm having is with the linear/10 dB/div calibration.? In this step, the manual states that you should be able to adjust both the Linear and 10dB/div by adjusting the 'Reference Level Fine' knob to get the 250MHz calibration signal peak all the way to the top graticule line.? But I can't do that without adjusting the 'Coarse reference level' knob (the manual does allude to using the coarse reference level knob for this adjustment in the troubleshooting section of the manual).? The manual states if this adjustment cannot be done, then check the linear/log amplifier board A11, but I can't find any issues there.
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My question is, can anyone who owns one of these make sense of the manual?? Or possibly have they confirmed an issue with the way it is described?? It seems a blog on repairing this instrument (pretty much the same repair I had to perform) also seems to allude to issues with the manual.? My cal signal and amplitude for both linear and log modes looks similar to his (blog link here; scroll to the bottom )
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Thanks in advance for your help!
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-Frank |
Re: Conductive Paint for Microcircuit Repair...
Use masking tape to define your trace width. Dave Casey? On Tue, Jul 16, 2024, 7:55 AM Chuck Harris via <cfharris=[email protected]> wrote: Hi Gang, |
Conductive Paint for Microcircuit Repair...
Hi Gang,
I need a workable conductive paint for use on repairing a really tiny flexible circuit board trace. Due to a flaw in manufacturing, a small bit (about the diameter of a human hair) of a conductive trace is once again missing. About 10 years ago, I fixed the problem with a conductive silver paint, and a brush made from one of my arm hairs. The whole operation was right at the limits of my abilities to manipulate things by hand. Now, it is 10 years later... The first time, I was vexed by the quickness with which the paint's solvent evaporated, and skinned over. I got the job done before, but it looked like a clotted mess. What I would like is a one part conductive paint that flows, and works like water or ink, but has a working time of 30 seconds, or so... while making a hair thick trace... which isn't quite the same thing as making a 1/16th in brush stroke... Conductive thermosetting epoxies look promising, but I don't know how they were meant to be applied, or what working with them is like. The board is orange, like kapton (polyamide), but I don't really know what its temperature limits are. The trace is exactly the same width as one of my descended from northern European diaspora arm hairs... about 0.04mm. Ideas? -Chuck Harris |
Re: 8702A service manual [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]
Yes I am getting that feeling. The 8702A uses a vector display and not RGB? like the later models. one of the Simmconn kits looks like it is the only way to go unless there are boards I can swap out to upgrade the 8702A to a later model, which I doubt. Is there any benefit in changing firmware from 8702A to 8753 as far as functionality? for electrical testing?
I did find the 8753 manuals , but not much info on teh video side. worked out? that the
8702A uses 1349A display unit, but not an easy or cheap upgrade to an LCD :( |
Re: VNA calibration kit to 50 GHz
finding in addition that a 1-port Open, Short, Load (OSL) calibration is difficult in waveguide due to the problem of getting the Open, so this in waveguide seems to be replaced with SSL, where S=O=l/8, S= 3l/8, L=matched load. However, why you can¡¯t use a flush short and a l/4 short I don¡¯t know.
? Another website said the SSL for 1-port could be extended to 2-ports by making the SSL for each port separately, then making a T (thru) calibration in the usual way by just connecting the waveguide ends together, this being referred to as a SSLT calibration, where S= 3l/8, and O= l/8, with L being matched load and T being thru. Again why the S and S cant be a waveguide flush short and = l/4 short I don¡¯t know. ? However, it would be interesting to hear a comment from those who use the ?l/8, S= 3l/8 waveguide spacers for calibration2. |
Re: HP 83590A RF plugin EPROM image
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The firmware for the 83590A I downloaded is not working I'm afraid. When installed the 8350B does not recognize the plugin and stops with a "E001" error.
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The first bytes of the firmware should (according to the service manual) always be "55" and then "AA". I think the startup check looks for that signature specifically and then does a checksum. This firmware does not have that (it starts "55A8") and so will not work. I'm wondering if the ROM image export was corrupted?
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Are any other 83590A ROM image files available?
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many thanks
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Tony
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Re: HP 83590A - Help understanding frequency band switching
Hi Don,
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Yes, I've been going through the service manual reviewing both the theory of operation and detailed per-assembly explanations. Thanks for the confirmation re. Band 0/4. I'm still a bit puzzled that there is no reference to Band 2 in the schematics, given that the YTM is involved in the x2 frequency multiplication.
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I'm going through the adjustments process in the service manual (it seems like a good way to work out at what point things are not working).? Unfortunately things go off track quite quickly. I'm attempting to adjust the variable gain amplifier to ensure the bandswitch points are correct - and while I can adjust the lower frequency 7GHz point correctly, the upper 13.5GHz cannot be set becasue there is not enough adjustment on the potentiometers.
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thanks
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Tony
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Re: 8702A service manual [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýFound the service manual for the 8753, thanks ,didn't see anything regarding the video, will delve deeper into it today. One of the 8702's has arcing in the eht but haven't taken the covers off yet. The other seems to be working fine, but with old age( mine), the display is getting harder to read. IS there any advantage I over the 8702 n installing the 8753 firmware as I am only doing RF work, not optical. I have 3 different S parameter test sets, including 1 x 75 ohm model( still in storage so can't remember the model number). ? Wayne ? ? From: [email protected]
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Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2024 12:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] 8702A service manual ? ? I believe the 8702A is an 8753C with different firmware (display is color).? Find the video, pick it off and feed it into a Gonbes video converter (or similar) from eBay.? You may need to add an LM1881 sync seperator depending on which scan converter you choose. ? Jim From:
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on behalf of James via groups.io <goodcom2354@...> ? Hi, I don¡¯t know of a dedicated service manual for the 8702A. These units are essentially a 8753A with modified firmware for fibre testing with the additional light bridge. ? There are 8753A service manuals online.? After having a search, it appears that connecting a external monitor won¡¯t be easy. You may have to use something like a Simmconn Lab LCD conversion to get external monitor capabilities. James Goodwin |
Re: 8640B won't switch to highest +20 dBm range
Hello Dave,
Your diagnosis suggests the attenuator knob and switch is out by one detent. 73 de Brian, VK2GCE
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