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Re: HP83651A HPGL language settings

 

Nice URL hacking... I should have thought of that!
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I have no idea what (or if) the difference between TMSL and SCPI would be.
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That said, compare the text on 5-3, I think there are nuances in the B that might clear things up for you. Specifically the line "See Figure 5-1 and set the synthesizer to SCPI now."? The same text block in the A specifies "TMSL" and the DIP bit patterns are the same between the two manuals.
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Best of luck!
Re: HP83651A HPGL language settings

 

Hi Bert,
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many thanks for the link and the page pointer.
For the odd chance I replaced 83621B in your link by 83621A, and ho and behold, that's the link to the 83621A service manual. :-)
The same picture on the same page of both manuals, but:
83621A manual says 000 is TMSL mode
83621B manual says 000 is SCPI mode
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TMSL and SCPI aren't the same, are they?
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Tom
Re: HP83651A HPGL language settings

 

Check page 5-3 of the Service Guide here - ? .? The Guide is for the 21, 31, 51 Bs but is spookily similar to the 21, 31, 51 As that is on the Keysight sight.? To boot, the B manual is actually OCRed.
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It is not exactly what you asked for, but worth a look.
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Hope this helps,
Bert
HP83651A HPGL language settings

 

Hi,
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does anybody happen to know which rear dip switch language setting belongs to which programming language?
I could not find this in the manuals, probably simply not seeing it.
Right now it is set to 001 which must be analyzer mode as it is running in an 8510C system.
Which setting is SCPI language?
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Tom
Re: Converting VNA HP8510C to 8530A for Antenna Measurements

 

One more question: in case of 85101C what these options means?:
CFG001 (ConFiGuration 001 ?)
CFG002
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Regards,?
Wojciech
Re: Converting VNA HP8510C to 8530A for Antenna Measurements

 

Dear Colleagues,
On this topic I also wanted to ask you if you know whether the matter of having/not having options e.g. 010 or 011 (in case of 8510C/8530A) is only a matter of having/not having a PAL security chip in the socket? So, is the operating system the same regardless of any options (so internally has support for all options already built in but not available if there is no security chip)? Below is document showing how to upgrade 8530A to opt 010 (time domain) and it looks like only security key is required: https://www.keysight.com/us/en/assets/9018-05077/installation-guides/9018-05077.pdf
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Do you know what is the latest operating system revision for 8530A - from what we have on the forum and what is mentioned on the Kesight website, it is A.01.66, but I saw information that 8530A is only available for CRT units (2nd box from the up: Antenna 08530-80004 CRT Only): https://kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/Support/vector-network-analyzers/HP-Agilent-Keysight/8510/8510C_Installation_Pre_Flight_checkout.pdf
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Here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/326343133737 you can see that 8530A software is running on 85101C with LCD, so I wonder if there was a newer version of the system than A.01.66 or maybe this version can be also run on the LCD version?
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Thanks,
Wojciech
Re: Converting VNA HP8510C to 8530A for Antenna Measurements

 

Hi Don,


Is that what you intended?

Matt

On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 2:44?PM Don Bitters via <donbitters=[email protected]> wrote:
Check conversation #10342 in this forum/wiki. There is a discussion over the next few messages about requirements, changes, and the dual mode operation is discussed and what it entails. Both PAL PN’s are mentioned so the OP has them both. The 8510C/8530A can do both with opt 011, it just depends on which personality you boot from disk.

Don Bitters
Re: Converting VNA HP8510C to 8530A for Antenna Measurements

 

If you go back into the archives for this group, you will find
that I was peripherally involved in some posts back 5+ years ago
where a replacement security device for the 8510 was developed.

There might be something in that thread that is useful to you.

-Chuck Harris


On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 13:45:08 -0700 "wojciechoo via groups.io"
<wojciechoo@...> wrote:
Oh, I got it :) Sorry for my confusion!

Thanks Tom, I think what you are talking about is converting 85102b
(IF detector as part of 8510) to 85102R (microwave receiver called
8530A). I already have an 8530A, so I hope I won't have to convert
anything else, but I feel that it will take some time before I can
run the entire antenna measurement system (first I'll have to get a
security key or buy one another 85101c unit :/)
Re: Converting VNA HP8510C to 8530A for Antenna Measurements

 

Hi Razvan…
I took a quick look but no joy. I will continue the search tomorrow.

From Tom Holmes, N8ZM

On Apr 29, 2025, at 5:36 PM, Razvan Popescu via groups.io <yo8ryr@...> wrote:

?Hi Tom,

Maybe you can find that document for the conversion of the 85102B to 85102R.
I can try to get the boards on eBay to convert my 85102B.

Thanks,
Razvan

On 29/04/2025 23:12, Tom via Metronet via groups.io wrote:
You are correct. Good that you have most of the pieces.
Tom Holmes, N8ZM
Re: Converting VNA HP8510C to 8530A for Antenna Measurements

 

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Depending on whether the RF source is an 8340/50/60 series, some components might not be vital to have.

There’s a capacitor that gets soldered between a couple pins on the backplane. That probably isn’t necessary unless using an 8350 as the source.

It’s quite possible the “faster” parts might not be needed without an 8360 as the source.

Unlesss something in the software demands it, if you’re operating fixed frequency or step rather than ramp sweeping, seems like a luxury rather than requirement.

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Tom via Metronet <n8zmTWH@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2025 3:36:26 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Converting VNA HP8510C to 8530A for Antenna Measurements
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IIRC is “If I Recall Correctly”. Sorry for the shorthand.

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I’m going from memory from when I did a conversion from an 8510C to an 8530 around 1999, and I recall replacing three IF boards and the sweep trigger board. HP made a kit for doing the conversion that included all of the parts and tools needed. I doubt you could find one today, but maybe the instructions are still around in the internet. Given a little time, I might have them in my library, if I was smart enough to save them. I’ll do a little digging over the next few days. If I find them, I’ll try to upload to the list repository.

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Tom Holmes, N8ZM

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of wojciechoo via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2025 4:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Converting VNA HP8510C to 8530A for Antenna Measurements

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Hi Tom,

I already had 8530A microwave receiver and 8511A frequency converter. But I don't know what is it "IIRC"?. And what sweep trigger board is also required?

Thanks,

Wojciech
Re: Converting VNA HP8510C to 8530A for Antenna Measurements

 

Check conversation #10342 in this forum/wiki. There is a discussion over the next few messages about requirements, changes, and the dual mode operation is discussed and what it entails. Both PAL PN’s are mentioned so the OP has them both. The 8510C/8530A can do both with opt 011, it just depends on which personality you boot from disk.

Don Bitters
Re: Converting VNA HP8510C to 8530A for Antenna Measurements

 

Hi Tom,

Maybe you can find that document for the conversion of the 85102B to 85102R.
I can try to get the boards on eBay to convert my 85102B.

Thanks,
Razvan

On 29/04/2025 23:12, Tom via Metronet via groups.io wrote:
You are correct. Good that you have most of the pieces.
Tom Holmes, N8ZM
Re: 1 mw - 0dbm lab calibration

 

On 29/04/2025 23:06, Paul Bicknell via groups.io wrote:
I have been talking to people today about the Tegam 1830 A? and as yet I cannot find anyone in the UK that has actually sold one or used one
I was also looking for someone that used any Tegam products so I can ask more questions about the procedures for the calibration of power sensors and uncertainty calculations but I couldn't find anyone. I wrote to 2 persons that advertised calibration software and services for Tegam but no reply.

I assume those that are using the Tegam 1830 A? are talking to each other either through standards or possibly a user group for Tegam instruments
Tegam had a forum (community) but for me the link never worked. I couldn't find any other Tegam related forum or group. You will need to make some friends at some Metrology or Calibration Lab but first check their 17025 accreditation, they should specify what hardware they use for RF Power Measurements.

I was told that the Tegam 1830 A? 1has been around for about 10 years and is ?6600
The first dated firmware release for 1930A was in 2011. There were a few other firmware releases before but I couldn't find any release date for those, so I would assume that 1830A is at least from 2011 on the market.

Comments please? Paul
Regards,
Razvan
Re: Converting VNA HP8510C to 8530A for Antenna Measurements

 

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You are correct. Good that you have most of the pieces.

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Tom Holmes, N8ZM

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of wojciechoo via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2025 4:45 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Converting VNA HP8510C to 8530A for Antenna Measurements

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Oh, I got it :) Sorry for my confusion!

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Thanks Tom, I think what you are talking about is converting 85102b (IF detector as part of 8510) to 85102R (microwave receiver called 8530A). I already have an 8530A, so I hope I won't have to convert anything else, but I feel that it will take some time before I can run the entire antenna measurement system (first I'll have to get a security key or buy one another 85101c unit :/)
Re: 1 mw - 0dbm lab calibration

 

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I have been talking to people today about the Tegam 1830 A? and as yet I cannot find anyone in the UK that has actually sold one or used one

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I assume those that are using the Tegam 1830 A? are talking to each other either through standards or possibly a user group for Tegam instruments

I was told that the Tegam 1830 A? 1has been around for about 10 years and is ?6600

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Comments please? Paul

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jmr via groups.io
Sent: 29 April 2025 19:24
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] 1 mw - 0dbm lab calibration

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On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 07:27 PM, John Griessen wrote:

How about this idea: us the 432A for its DC cal ability, and transfer it to a Boonton 4231A that has GPIB?
In that case, I'd only use the 432A occasionally? Or are you suggesting there's no need for the 432A?

I think many people effectively do just that by being able to check and adjust the 1mW reference on a modern power meter using the 432A and the DC substitution method. However, my setup has that subtle blip in the efficiency at 50 MHz because my 478A sensor has a subtle blip in the VSWR at 50 MHz. So I have to know the efficiency at 50 MHz and how the efficiency changes just above 50 MHz. Having the H7x option would help a lot here but this would restrict the best performance to less than 1 GHz.?

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I typically only use the 432A about once a year to do a check on the 1mW output on my Anritsu power meter. It's not much use (to me) for anything else although it can be used to level the 83752A sweeper in the range of about 70 MHz to 2GHz. Above this the efficiency of the 478A tails off a bit.

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One other niggle with the original 432A meter is that the rotary cal factor switch on the front panel only allows 1% step sizes. This is OK most of the time but not so good if you want to connect a DVM to the recorder output at the rear and you want to dial out the efficiency as accurately as possible. None of this was really an issue for the majority of users 50 years ago, but it is a niggle today. The N432A meter and the Tegam meter will be able to offer much finer adjustment for the efficiency at each frequency point.
HP Basic for Windows 6.33, printed documentation

 

I have found the installation image for HP Basic for Windows 6.33 on the internet archive
From the images in the archive it looks as though there were a number of printed manuals that were supplied with the package
I am especially interested in the? Installing and Using and? User's manual
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Does anyone have access to these documents in .pdf from?
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Peter
Re: Converting VNA HP8510C to 8530A for Antenna Measurements

 

Oh, I got it :) Sorry for my confusion!
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Thanks Tom, I think what you are talking about is converting 85102b (IF detector as part of 8510) to 85102R (microwave receiver called 8530A). I already have an 8530A, so I hope I won't have to convert anything else, but I feel that it will take some time before I can run the entire antenna measurement system (first I'll have to get a security key or buy one another 85101c unit :/)
Re: Converting VNA HP8510C to 8530A for Antenna Measurements

 

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IIRC is “If I Recall Correctly”. Sorry for the shorthand.

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I’m going from memory from when I did a conversion from an 8510C to an 8530 around 1999, and I recall replacing three IF boards and the sweep trigger board. HP made a kit for doing the conversion that included all of the parts and tools needed. I doubt you could find one today, but maybe the instructions are still around in the internet. Given a little time, I might have them in my library, if I was smart enough to save them. I’ll do a little digging over the next few days. If I find them, I’ll try to upload to the list repository.

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Tom Holmes, N8ZM

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of wojciechoo via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2025 4:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] Converting VNA HP8510C to 8530A for Antenna Measurements

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Hi Tom,

I already had 8530A microwave receiver and 8511A frequency converter. But I don't know what is it "IIRC"?. And what sweep trigger board is also required?

Thanks,

Wojciech
Re: Converting VNA HP8510C to 8530A for Antenna Measurements

 

It is shorthand for If I Recall Correctly.

Barry - N4BUQ

Hi Tom,
I already had 8530A microwave receiver and 8511A frequency converter. But I don't know what is it "IIRC"?. And what sweep trigger board is also required?
Thanks,
Wojciech
Re: Converting VNA HP8510C to 8530A for Antenna Measurements

 

Hi Tom,
I already had 8530A microwave receiver and 8511A frequency converter. But I don't know what is it "IIRC"?. And what sweep trigger board is also required?
Thanks,
Wojciech
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