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Re: HP8560a smoke came out
I think the problem is not really correctable given the
circumstances of a system that injects power back into the grid. The problem is that losses are against you. When you draw from the grid, your transformer and wiring all drops the voltage down from the voltage generated by the power plant, down to the nominal voltage that you expect to see at your house. But, when you inject power back into the grid, you have to overcome the losses of your transformer, wire, etc. before you can actually feed the grid with your power. That necessarily requires you to pump more voltage into the grid than the nominal power line voltage that you would expect to see in your house. Further, because of other issues in the grid (automatic station voltage regulators...), your solar power can only feed other subscribers on your local transformer. That is too small of a population to allow you to avoid a race to the maximum voltage and beyond. You see, your inverter wants to feed excess power to the grid, so it has to raise its voltage until it starts to take up load from the grid. But, your neighbor's solar inverter wants to do the same thing, so it has to raise its voltage until it starts to take up load from the grid, which causes your inverter to shed load, so it cranks the voltage up... and you are in an arms race. If you set your inverter so that it cannot raise your local (house) voltage until it is high enough to allow you to actually supply power to the grid, you will never supply power to the grid. Your best bet is to use a variac, or other step down auto transformer to drop your workbench voltage down to a safe value. -Chuck Harris On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 19:15:20 -0400 "Harvey White" <madyn@...> wrote: Someplace, somewhere, you might be able to find a voltage regulator. |
Re: HP8560a smoke came out
Someplace, somewhere, you might be able to find a voltage regulator.? I suspect that they can be either the saturable reactor kind, or perhaps an old servo/motor driven autotransformer.? It's possible you might just want to knock down the 240-250 to 230-240, which might be more in line to what the equipment expects.
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Harvey On 3/31/2024 7:01 PM, glenn percy via groups.io wrote:
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Re: HP8560a smoke came out
Hi Harvey
Afraid not.?? Solar panels are very popular in Australia with at least 1/3rd of homes having roof top solar panels.? In my street of about 30 homes more than half have solar. What this tends to do on sunny days, with so much solar energy in a street is to push up the nominal 230v mains voltage to sometimes in excess of 250v.? Glenn vk3pe |
Re: Mounting HP Iron in 19" Racks
This is not directly related to the topic, but our local HAM club has at least three full size racks we need to get rid of.? This is the Anne Arundel Amateur Radio club in Davidsonville, MD. Drop me a note if you're interested and I'll put you in touch with the right person. Jim Simpson |
Re: Mounting HP Iron in 19" Racks
All of my 19" racks have mounting holes front and back, as usual,
but also have mounting holes on the sides as well. I drill pieces of 1-1/2" aluminum angle to fit the mounting holes on the side when the 19" instrument lines up with an appropriate set of holes on the front. Then, you can just slide the instrument onto the full depth angle slides, and you can also use the screw holes in the front panel for added security. The aluminum angles easily handle a couple of hundred pounds each pair. The heaviest thing I have mounted that way is a FLUKE linear amplifier, 5205A. It weighs a cool 120lbs. -Chuck Harris On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 17:28:24 -0400 "Peter Gottlieb" <hpnpilot@...> wrote: I use equipment shelves that only mount from the front, but the one |
Re: Mounting HP Iron in 19" Racks
Angles from old bed frames. Brilliant! I need some and never thought of those and they're indeed ubiquitous!
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Thanks, Barry - N4BUQ I used to do this with scrounged angle iron from bed frames people would throw |
Re: Mounting HP Iron in 19" Racks
I used to do this with scrounged angle iron from bed frames people would throw out on trash day.? Some are pretty wide and I can attest to the wood strip method to keep things centered.? A sawzall makes quick work of cutting them.
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Peter On 3/30/2024 7:10 PM, Ed Breya via groups.io wrote:
I have a bunch of fairly heavy aluminum 90 degree angle-iron pieces scrounged up long ago. They are about 2" by 3/16" flats by 30" long, and easy to drill holes anywhere and attach with the usual 10-32 screws into the side members of almost any rack. Usually it's enough to just support the side rails of the gear firmly, from front to back. I put the heaviest items on the rails, and stack lighter gear on them, so only a few big items are actually mounted, and serve as shelves for the rest. It's easier to reconfigure too, unless you need to relocate the big stuff. |
Re: HP-1421A Q109 Voltages
I got a chance to test the circuit just a bit.? I placed a 47k resistor between the base of Q109 and ground.? That caused the lamp to illuminate so the transistor is still good.? I just need to determine why the base voltage is being held at or below the emitter voltage. Thanks, Barry - N4BUQ
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Re: Mounting HP Iron in 19" Racks
The cantilever shelves work great. Especially for the smaller stuff, like putting two 1/2 width units together. I have used a lot of Navepoint stuff in the past. This is an option that I like for 3U-4U type boxes.? They also sell the cantilever style shelves and the sturdier 4-post type shelves (sliding and static styles). Of course, looks like their prices are up since I bought from them last. Always worthwhile to keep an eye on fleabay for cheap lots. -Michael Bierlein On Sat, Mar 30, 2024 at 19:51 Dave Daniel <kc0wjn@...> wrote:
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Re: HP8560a smoke came out
Rifa caps are not happy with high voltages.? Could you adjust your solar panel inverter to only 240 volts?
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Harvey On 3/30/2024 6:51 PM, glenn percy via groups.io wrote:
Thanks Henning re *delta marker*. Been a while since I operated this SA. I just confirmed thats the level issue. |
Re: Mounting HP Iron in 19" Racks
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI've been using these (from Amazon) for years. They work pretty well: AC Infinity Vented Cantilever 2U Universal Rack Shelf, 16" Deep, for 19¡± equipment racks. Heavy-Duty 2.4mm Cold Rolled Steel, 100lbs Capacity.? https://a.co/d/09Sckik DaveD On Mar 30, 2024, at 17:23, Dave Miller <ve7hr@...> wrote:
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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThis is a better solution than mounting ears.It is probable that the ears alone will not properly support the weight of the gear. Glenn On 3/30/2024 5:23 PM, Dave Miller
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I have run out of floor and bench space and it's time start filling up the racks I have stored away. :-( -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Glenn Little ARRL Technical Specialist QCWA LM 28417 Amateur Callsign: WB4UIV wb4uiv@... AMSAT LM 2178 QTH: Goose Creek, SC USA (EM92xx) USSVI, FRA, NRA-LM ARRL TAPR "It is not the class of license that the Amateur holds but the class of the Amateur that holds the license" |
Re: HP8560a smoke came out
Thanks Henning re delta marker. Been a while since I operated this SA. I just confirmed thats the level issue.
Re the cap across the mains, that's what i suspected initially as I had it happen on other? HP test gear.? Getting to that area though appears very difficult to confirm that's all it is. The mains voltage here can rise to over 250v on a sunny day, as I have solar panels on the roof. Glenn |
Re: Mounting HP Iron in 19" Racks
Forgot to mention, most gear should not be mounted only by the front ears or flanges - only the very lightest and shortest (front to back) items are safe this way. Sides and back support is needed for the typical big old gear. Use judgement, and think about the vector forces on everything.
Ed |
Re: Mounting HP Iron in 19" Racks
I have a bunch of fairly heavy aluminum 90 degree angle-iron pieces scrounged up long ago. They are about 2" by 3/16" flats by 30" long, and easy to drill holes anywhere and attach with the usual 10-32 screws into the side members of almost any rack. Usually it's enough to just support the side rails of the gear firmly, from front to back. I put the heaviest items on the rails, and stack lighter gear on them, so only a few big items are actually mounted, and serve as shelves for the rest. It's easier to reconfigure too, unless you need to relocate the big stuff.
So, you don't really need a shelf pan, but be sure the gear can't move too far side to side and fall through. The wide enough angle stock mostly assures this. I drop in wooden shims on the sides if there's any doubt. Also be sure the rack is stout enough to not bow open - sometimes you need cross pieces here and there to hold the sides together Ed |
Re: Mounting HP Iron in 19" Racks
I have some of the front mount shelves but the cheap?ones won't?support the?nice HP iron. They?deflect too much. That picture was for the Mainframe?SRS-4-F. I can get them at my local supplier in Vancouver?BC. So it's?an offshore import. You can find?ones that are similar on Amazon but prices seem much higher. I think I will grab?a couple to test out. Dave VE7HR On Sat, Mar 30, 2024 at 2:28?PM Peter Gottlieb <hpnpilot@...> wrote: I use equipment shelves that only mount from the front, but the one you show is --
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Re: Mounting HP Iron in 19" Racks
I use equipment shelves that only mount from the front, but the one you show is better mechanically.? Where do you get them?? Do you have a part number?
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Pter On 3/30/2024 5:23 PM, Dave Miller wrote:
I have run out of floor and bench space and it's time start filling up the racks I have stored away. :-( |
Mounting HP Iron in 19" Racks
I have run out of floor and bench space and it's time start filling up the racks I have stored away. :-(
Unfortunately most of the equipment does not have mounting ears. Last time I looked at them they are hard to find and very expensive. What's everyone thoughts about using 4 post ventilated shelves like this? They are rated 120 kg a shelf. I can source them locally cheaper and faster than a set out mounting ears on Fleabay with shipping. And I can adjust the height instead of getting multiple sizes of ears. It's also easier to wrestle something on a shelf than mount it in a rack with screws. Or at least that is my limited experience. And If I want put another piece in rack it seems easier. What do the experts have to say? Thanks Dave? VE7HR |
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