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Hi Folks!

I'm having troubles in my way through the Sartting system instructions for OS VS1 6.7.
Overall, the absence of a pdf with plenty of screenshots makes it more challenging and fun... but I'm stuck:

The problem is that I'm confused on the actual CUUs, disks, vary and mount commands that are needed to have in place before running g04-init-dasd-misc.jcl

Until that point, I've pretty much make it on my own, but, at some point, looking at the contents of g00-create-dasd.cmd for a 'map' of which arrangement on the whole system get confusing... because I see that the mount commands for the starter system do not match exactly the CUUs of hercules conf, and/or reference volumes/DASDs (dliba1 or work61) that I don't figure out at which point are used, if at all...
Sure, I tried to get a working 'map' of consisten CUUs <-> DASD content <-> mount volume , but at some point I was shocked as the started system replied to me at the console:

v 14c,online
IEE313I 14C UNIT REF INVALID

... and I have absolutely no clue of why 14C seems to not go online.
on the hercules side, the attach command does work:

HHC01603I attach 014c 3350 dasd/work73.14d.cckd
HHC00414I 0:014C CCKD file dasd/work73.14d.cckd: model 3350 cyls 560 heads 30 tracks 16800 trklen 19456

As it should, since that CUU is free... so, from a noob perspective, it looks like the starter system either doesn't like the hardware emulated at 14C or 14C at all.

Other than that, I would have those needed DASDs/Volumes mounted:

v 148,online
IEE302I 148 ONLINE
v 14c,online
IEE313I 14C UNIT REF INVALID
v 14b,online
IEE302I 14B ONLINE
v 151,online
IEE302I 151 ONLINE

But I feel that I have to fix this before continuing.

Any clues? Has anyone a more specific 'map' of harcules CUUs -> DASD image -> vary/mount on the starter system?

Thank you very much in advance.

Regards!

Greetings. Thanks for taking the time to post.

Basically, there needs to be more documentation about using the starter system. I fought through using the starter system by doing a lot of hand-waving, as my old math teacher used to call it, but neglected to document my leaps of faith. Those holes need to be filled in.

The starter system doesn't have a lot of devices. One device it's missing is a 3350 at 14C. Another that's missing is a 3350 at 248. I put PERM73 at 14C and FDLB67 at 248 because that's where I wanted them to be in the generated system, but that won't work on the starter system. Thus when you issued a VARY 14C,ONLINE command, you got an error message because the starter system doesn't have a UCB at 14C. I can't find a stage 1 for the starter system, but here's a DISPLAY U of all the devices in the system:

d u,,,000,256
181650 0000 IEE450I 18.16.50 UNIT STATUS 014
014 UNIT TYPE STATUS VOLSER VOLSTATE UNIT TYPE STATUS VOLSER VOLSTATE
014 002 3211 OFFLINE 004 3211 OFFLINE
014 009 3215 OFFLINE 00A 1442 OFFLINE
014 00C 2540 O 00D 2540 O
014 00E 1403 O 00F 1403 OFFLINE
014 010 3158 OFFLINE 011 3213 OFFLINE
014 012 3505 OFFLINE 013 3525 OFFLINE
014 014 3158 OFFLINE 015 3213 OFFLINE
014 016 3203 OFFLINE 017 3203 OFFLINE
014 018 3800 OFFLINE 019 3066 OFFLINE
014 01A 3036 OFFLINE 01B 3036 OFFLINE
014 01C UND OFFLINE 01D UND OFFLINE
014 01F 3215 C 118 3800 OFFLINE
014 130 2314 OFFLINE 131 2314 OFFLINE
014 132 2314 OFFLINE 133 2314 OFFLINE
014 134 2314 OFFLINE 148 3350 OFFLINE
014 149 3350 O FGEN60 PUB/RSDNT 14A 3350 O FDLB60 PUB/RSDNT
014 14B 3350 OFFLINE 150 3330 S DLIBA1 PUB/RSDNT
014 151 3330 OFFLINE 152 3330 OFFLINE
014 153 3330 OFFLINE 154 3330 OFFLINE
014 158 33301 OFFLINE 159 33301 OFFLINE
014 15A 33301 OFFLINE 15B 33301 OFFLINE
014 180 2400 OFFLINE 181 2400 OFFLINE
014 182 2400 OFFLINE 183 2400 OFFLINE
014 1C0 3340 OFFLINE 1C1 3340 OFFLINE
014 1C2 3340 OFFLINE 1C3 3340 OFFLINE
014 1D0 2305 OFFLINE 202 3211 OFFLINE
014 209 3215 OFFLINE 20C 2540 OFFLINE
014 20D 2540 OFFLINE 20E 1403 OFFLINE
014 218 3800 OFFLINE 219 3066 OFFLINE
014 21F 3215 OFFLINE 230 2314 OFFLINE
014 231 2314 OFFLINE 232 2314 OFFLINE
014 233 2314 OFFLINE 234 2314 OFFLINE
014 280 2400 OFFLINE 281 2400 OFFLINE
014 282 2400 OFFLINE 283 2400 OFFLINE
014 330 2314 OFFLINE 331 2314 OFFLINE
014 332 2314 OFFLINE 333 2314 OFFLINE
014 334 2314 OFFLINE 380 2400 OFFLINE
014 381 2400 OFFLINE 382 2400 OFFLINE
014 383 2400 OFFLINE 480 2400 O /REMOV
014 481 2400 O /REMOV 482 2400 OFFLINE
014 483 2400 OFFLINE
014 IEE452I UNIT STATUS NUMBER OF UNITS REQUESTED EXCEEDS NUMBER AVAILABLE

The documentation needs to be improved. Until I can get to that, what you can do is mount any DASD volume at any UCB address of the same device type. Thus any 3350 can go at any 3350 address (148 through 14B are possibilities). Physically attach the DASD to Hercules at the Hercules console:

attach 0148 3350 dasd/work73.14d.cckd

Vary the device online to VS1 at the VS1 console:

v 148,online

and set the volume use characteristic at the VS1 console with the VS1 MOUNT command:

m 148,vol=(sl,work73),use=public

For a work volume, PUBLIC is the appropriate use; for most other volumes, PRIVATE is probably appropriate.

Definitely need better documentation for the starter system.

--
Kevin

Hi!

Now it I see things somehow more clear.
Also, that command: d u,,,000,256 is very very interesting! I like it!
Now all this confirms what I was thinking... but, since that commands apears to yield a kind of 'map' of expected CUU<->Device-Type i feel more confident on be able to go further.

As a side note, I've not (still) experienced any issues regarding terminals... but after reading around about the 3270s, telneting IPL and so, I feel I will get onto it at some time.
By the way, I'm carefully taking notes of all I do, so, in the event of finally making my way through, I expect having everythin noted, just in case.

Thank you very much!