Re: Notes on building VS1 6.7
Hi again folks!
Thanks to the points you gave me last week, I managed to make through (more or less) to the point on the README where I'm suposed to IPL the new generated system (FMGEN67, which I
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Alejandro olivan Alvarez
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Re: Notes on building VS1 6.7
Hi folks.
Being an absolute noob... I went through the process of building 6.0.
It was extensively documented, pdf, screenshots...impossible to fail... and when I saw the 6.7 README as the sole
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Alejandro olivan Alvarez
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Re: VS1 6.7 starter system CUUs / mount issues.
Hi!
Now it I see things somehow more clear.
Also, that command: d u,,,000,256 is very very interesting! I like it!
Now all this confirms what I was thinking... but, since that commands apears to
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Alejandro olivan Alvarez
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Re: Notes on building VS1 6.7
Jay:
You're right on all counts: the starter system has a very limited set of UCBs, and the documentation for using the starter system is inadequate. I'm inclined to leave the starter system as
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Kevin Leonard
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Re: VS1 6.7 starter system CUUs / mount issues.
Greetings. Thanks for taking the time to post.
Basically, there needs to be more documentation about using the starter system. I fought through using the starter system by doing a lot of
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Kevin Leonard
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Re: Notes on building VS1 6.7
Hi.
Somehow sorry to resurect an old post... I missed this one and created one which, essentialy is an ask for help because I'm stuck on your first issue in your list.
I'm quite confused on the
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Alejandro olivan Alvarez
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VS1 6.7 starter system CUUs / mount issues.
Hi Folks!
I'm having troubles in my way through the Sartting system instructions for OS VS1 6.7.
Overall, the absence of a pdf with plenty of screenshots makes it more challenging and fun... but I'm
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Alejandro olivan Alvarez
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Re: How did TSO work on SVS?
To round out this discussion of smaller memory machines, in the 1960s, even into early 1970s, core memory was the single most expensive component of IBM mainframe systems. So, the smaller shops could
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Mark Waterbury
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Re: How did TSO work on SVS?
True. And OS/360 could run in 64K. (OS/360 Sysgen manual for R13, Sept 67.)
DOS/360 would IPL in 16K but even with the distribution system supervisor, which supported no more than 10 devices and
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Steve Orso
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Re: How did TSO work on SVS?
512K? *snort*
DOS/360 could run 16K (1/32 of 512K).
I've read that MVT regions needed four times the region they were expected to need (the working set?); this was also alleviated by the 16M
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Drew Derbyshire
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Re: How did TSO work on SVS?
Richard Cornwell wrote:
Precisely!
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Software Development Laboratories
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Fish Fish
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Re: How did TSO work on SVS?
We know how to implement ECSP:VSE, problem is without any software to run on it, it is kind of pointless to implement it.
Rich
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Richard Cornwell
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Re: How did TSO work on SVS?
Hi, Joe,
It is basically the 4300 Principles of Operations for ECPS:VSE mode ...
The first two manuals on this page:
https://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/4300/
Mark
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Mark Waterbury
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Re: How did TSO work on SVS?
Fish,
Have you seen the ECPS:VSE PrincOps?
Joe
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Joe Monk
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Re: How did TSO work on SVS?
Richard Cornwell wrote:
[...]
I've been wanting to add such support to Hercules for *years* now.
Unfortunately however, I have yet been able to find an ECPS:VSE version of DOS/VSE. :(
Until such a
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Fish Fish
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Re: How did TSO work on SVS?
DOS/VSE also brought support for ECPS:VSE which put all paging into hardware. The CPU did not use a page table, but kept the translations in a special array.
If there is a IPL tape for DOS/VSE it
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Richard Cornwell
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Re: How did TSO work on SVS?
Agreed. Actually, DOS/VS (pre-VSE) would stop paging at just a bit over 8MB.
Pre-VSE, DOS/VS included real storage in the virtual address area but did not use it for virtual applications. See
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Steve Orso
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Re: How did TSO work on SVS?
Richard,
You are correct. IBM never intended DOS/VS, or OS/VS1 or OS/VS2 Rel. 1 as a long-term solution; they were a "first step" into the world of virtual memory. Having 16 MB of address space
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Mark Waterbury
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Re: How did TSO work on SVS?
Mark,
My point was that OS/VS1, DOS/VS and SVS did not provide virtual memory in the sense we now think of it. Sort of like MVS where you could have jobs totally more then 16MB running at one
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Richard Cornwell
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Re: How did TSO work on SVS?
Hi, Richard,
With any virtual memory system, more real "backing store" main memory is always "better" as less actual paging in and out (from disk or drum) will be required.
In the 1970s, customers
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Mark Waterbury
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