Re: VS1 6.7 sysgen from starter
Hi Tony,
MVS TK4 was generated with FEATURE=SHARED on all DASD, and when I did the sysgen for VS1 6.7 I also used FEATURE=SHARED.
I'm only concerned about VTOC updates. I have no intention nor any applications that try to do multi-write access to a common dataset to both systems for example. Again, this is just to simply by allowing TSO to edit a VS1 PARMLIB member (for example) to avoid the need to otherwise update that member with a batch job executed within VS1. It's perfectly safe to create or delete datasets on VS1 volumes using MVS TSO (although the VS1 catalog won't know about the operation), with FEATURE=SHARED on both systems and MWV on the MDISK statements in the CP directory.
Regards,
Bob
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Re: VS1 6.7 sysgen from starter
On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 18:57, Bob Polmanter <wably@...> wrote: [...]
I always run VS1 in a virtual machine, and I have TK4 MVS in a virtual
machine as well right along side of it. That way, I can use TSO on MVS to
edit the parmlib members or proclibs members of the VS1 volumes without
having to do everything in batch. MVS and VS1 can share the VS1 dasd in
R/W mode, if you define them correctly in the CP directory, using MDISK
statements with MWV. The V in MWV is the critical specification - it
forces CP to ensure data integrity between the guest OS'es using virtual
reserve/release.
Have to be careful with this... Support for reserve/release on the virtualized hardware doesn't mean that MVS or VS1 will issue them. The devices have to be gen'd shared in the guests as well. And even then, the integrity is only for VTOC updates - there is no general protection against updating a dataset from both systems at the same time. For that you need some scheme to propagate ENQs across systems - something IBM didn't provide until much later with GRS via CTCs. There were some third party products that did, but presumably we don't have access to those. Tony H.
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Re: VS1 6.7 sysgen from starter
On Sat, Dec 25, 2021 at 11:56 AM, Jay Maynard wrote: D <jobname> shows the job sitting there waiting. How do I get things to actually run? Maybe you can try to change the execution class of the job? e <jobname>,class=a Cheers, Rene FERLAND, Montreal
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Re: VS1 6.7 sysgen from starter
Hi Jay,
If you wish, you can IPL with just the 010 console present. it will be the master console and no Vary command is needed. If you are prompted for a hardcpy, you can answer R 00,'HARDCPY=(SYSLOG,ALL,CMDS)' and then you do not need to have an 01F device unless you just want to.
As for the partition job classes, you can reassign them permanently in the DFN01 member of SYS1.PARMLIB. Or, you could use the RESET command as a previous poster suggested, to change the class of that particular job. Or, a better choice for the life of the IPL would be to issue a modify command to tell the initiator to use whatever classes you want. For example:
F P1,CLASS=AV
I always run VS1 in a virtual machine, and I have TK4 MVS in a virtual machine as well right along side of it. That way, I can use TSO on MVS to edit the parmlib members or proclibs members of the VS1 volumes without having to do everything in batch. MVS and VS1 can share the VS1 dasd in R/W mode, if you define them correctly in the CP directory, using MDISK statements with MWV. The V in MWV is the critical specification - it forces CP to ensure data integrity between the guest OS'es using virtual reserve/release.
Another plug for running VS1 under VM, if you spool the printers in VS1 to your CMS userid, then all your VS1 output will go there (if it has a WTR started to the output class of the job), and you can then view that output in CMS. You can of course submit jobs to VS1 via the virtual punch in CMS right to VS1's reader. So CMS can provide a convenient online platform to use VS1 for job JCL and viewing output. Just like it used to be in the early 1980s!
Regards,
Bob
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Re: VS1 6.7 sysgen from starter
Hi,
I put up my OSVS1 6,7 up on my web site with my other automatic
builds. I too would like to try VTP, but there is not much
documentation about setting it up.
Rich
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I was going to build a 6.7 system just for fun, and so I can take a
gander at VTP. I have the 6.7 package and the tapes, and have built
the DASD. Kipling the starter system works, but to get past the
hardcopy prompt, I have to have both a 3270 at 010 and a 3215 at 01F
connected, then reply R 00,'HARDCPY=(01F,ALL,CMDS)' to the prompt.
(IPLing with both consoles connected will cause the initial
interaction to be on the 3215.) Once things are started, a V
010,MSTCONS will switch to the 3270.
But...once I've got things up, I can't seem to get anywhere. I can
devinit a JCL file to the reader, and SF ,00C works...and reads in
the job, and doesn't do anything. The job is in class V, and I'm
guessing the P00 partition is set to class A. D <jobname> shows the
job sitting there waiting. How do I get things to actually run?
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Re: VS1 6.7 sysgen from starter
Jay,
E jobname,CLASS=A
may work?
Gary
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On Saturday, December 25, 2021, 12:56:23 PM MST, Jay Maynard <jaymaynard@...> wrote:
I was going to build a 6.7 system just for fun, and so I can take a gander
at VTP. I have the 6.7 package and the tapes, and have built the DASD.
Kipling the starter system works, but to get past the hardcopy prompt, I
have to have both a 3270 at 010 and a 3215 at 01F connected, then reply R
00,'HARDCPY=(01F,ALL,CMDS)' to the prompt. (IPLing with both consoles
connected will cause the initial interaction to be on the 3215.) Once
things are started, a V 010,MSTCONS will switch to the 3270.
But...once I've got things up, I can't seem to get anywhere. I can devinit
a JCL file to the reader, and SF ,00C works...and reads in the job, and
doesn't do anything. The job is in class V, and I'm guessing the P00
partition is set to class A. D <jobname> shows the job sitting there
waiting. How do I get things to actually run?
--
Jay Maynard
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VS1 6.7 sysgen from starter
I was going to build a 6.7 system just for fun, and so I can take a gander
at VTP. I have the 6.7 package and the tapes, and have built the DASD.
Kipling the starter system works, but to get past the hardcopy prompt, I
have to have both a 3270 at 010 and a 3215 at 01F connected, then reply R
00,'HARDCPY=(01F,ALL,CMDS)' to the prompt. (IPLing with both consoles
connected will cause the initial interaction to be on the 3215.) Once
things are started, a V 010,MSTCONS will switch to the 3270.
But...once I've got things up, I can't seem to get anywhere. I can devinit
a JCL file to the reader, and SF ,00C works...and reads in the job, and
doesn't do anything. The job is in class V, and I'm guessing the P00
partition is set to class A. D <jobname> shows the job sitting there
waiting. How do I get things to actually run?
--
Jay Maynard
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Ah, ok. I thought it was a logoff option. Lol, my bad.
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Gary Cozzolino via groups.io Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 3:10 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] VS1 6.7 Mark. This is the lowest request screen, there is no other option!! Gary On Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 12:08:54 PM MST, Mike Ward <antebios1153@...> wrote: When I press the F3 key on task id $002 I receive this error: $002E00 Unknown request retry. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Gary Cozzolino via groups.io Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 8:10 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] VS1 6.7 Mike, The task ID is in the upper left conner of the screen, when you encounter a problem, please indicate the task ID, so I can fix the correct task! Thanks for your help!! Gary On Saturday, December 11, 2021, 12:34:47 PM MST, Mike Ward <antebios1153@...> wrote: One of the problems that I found is that F3 key doesn't let you exit. I'm playing around to see what other problems I encounter. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Gary Cozzolino via groups.io Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 10:59 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] VS1 6.7 Mike, Let me know, if you encounter any problems? Gary On Friday, December 10, 2021, 06:33:29 AM MST, Mike Ward <antebios1153@...> wrote: I got VTP installed and its working. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Gary Cozzolino via groups.io Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 1:02 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] VS1 6.7 Mike,When I ptrdd Try VTP 3.7, it is like tso for VS1 Gary On Sunday, December 5, 2021, 08:24:57 AM MST, Mike Ward <antebios1153@...> wrote: Don't know if anyone is still around. Just wanted to let you know that I got VS1 6.7 genned and it's working great.
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Mark.
This is the lowest request screen, there is no other option!!
Gary
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On Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 12:08:54 PM MST, Mike Ward <antebios1153@...> wrote: When I press the F3 key on task id $002 I receive this error: $002E00 Unknown request retry. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Gary Cozzolino via groups.io Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 8:10 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] VS1 6.7 Mike, The task ID is in the upper left conner of the screen, when you encounter a problem, please indicate the task ID, so I can fix the correct task! Thanks for your help!! Gary ? ? On Saturday, December 11, 2021, 12:34:47 PM MST, Mike Ward <antebios1153@...> wrote:? One of the problems that I found is that F3 key doesn't let you exit. I'm playing around to see what other problems I encounter. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Gary Cozzolino via groups.io Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 10:59 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] VS1 6.7 Mike, Let me know, if you encounter any problems? Gary ? ? On Friday, December 10, 2021, 06:33:29 AM MST, Mike Ward <antebios1153@...> wrote:? I got VTP installed and its working. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Gary Cozzolino via groups.io Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 1:02 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] VS1 6.7 Mike,When I ptrdd Try VTP 3.7, it is like tso for VS1 Gary ? ? On Sunday, December 5, 2021, 08:24:57 AM MST, Mike Ward <antebios1153@...> wrote:? Don't know if anyone is still around. Just wanted to let you know that I got VS1 6.7 genned and it's working great.
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I get the same error with PA3.
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Mark Waterbury Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 1:14 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] VS1 6.7 Try PA3 instead. On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 2:08 PM Mike Ward <antebios1153@...> wrote: When I press the F3 key on task id $002 I receive this error: $002E00
Unknown request retry.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Gary
Cozzolino via groups.io
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 8:10 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] VS1 6.7
Mike, The task ID is in the upper left conner of the screen, when you
encounter a problem, please indicate the task ID, so I can fix the
correct task!
Thanks for your help!!
Gary
On Saturday, December 11, 2021, 12:34:47 PM MST, Mike Ward <
antebios1153@...> wrote:
One of the problems that I found is that F3 key doesn't let you exit.
I'm playing around to see what other problems I encounter.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Gary
Cozzolino via groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 10:59 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] VS1 6.7
Mike,
Let me know, if you encounter any problems?
Gary
On Friday, December 10, 2021, 06:33:29 AM MST, Mike Ward <
antebios1153@...> wrote:
I got VTP installed and its working.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Gary
Cozzolino via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 1:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] VS1 6.7
Mike,When I ptrdd
Try VTP 3.7, it is like tso for VS1
Gary
On Sunday, December 5, 2021, 08:24:57 AM MST, Mike Ward <
antebios1153@...> wrote:
Don't know if anyone is still around. Just wanted to let you know
that I got
VS1 6.7 genned and it's working great.
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Try PA3 instead.
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On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 2:08 PM Mike Ward <antebios1153@...> wrote: When I press the F3 key on task id $002 I receive this error: $002E00
Unknown request retry.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Gary
Cozzolino via groups.io
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 8:10 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] VS1 6.7
Mike, The task ID is in the upper left conner of the screen, when you
encounter a problem, please indicate the task ID, so I can fix the correct
task!
Thanks for your help!!
Gary
On Saturday, December 11, 2021, 12:34:47 PM MST, Mike Ward <
antebios1153@...> wrote:
One of the problems that I found is that F3 key doesn't let you exit. I'm
playing around to see what other problems I encounter.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Gary
Cozzolino via groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 10:59 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] VS1 6.7
Mike,
Let me know, if you encounter any problems?
Gary
On Friday, December 10, 2021, 06:33:29 AM MST, Mike Ward <
antebios1153@...> wrote:
I got VTP installed and its working.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Gary
Cozzolino via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 1:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] VS1 6.7
Mike,When I ptrdd
Try VTP 3.7, it is like tso for VS1
Gary
On Sunday, December 5, 2021, 08:24:57 AM MST, Mike Ward <
antebios1153@...> wrote:
Don't know if anyone is still around. Just wanted to let you know that I
got
VS1 6.7 genned and it's working great.
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When I press the F3 key on task id $002 I receive this error: $002E00 Unknown request retry.
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Gary Cozzolino via groups.io Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 8:10 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] VS1 6.7 Mike, The task ID is in the upper left conner of the screen, when you encounter a problem, please indicate the task ID, so I can fix the correct task! Thanks for your help!! Gary On Saturday, December 11, 2021, 12:34:47 PM MST, Mike Ward <antebios1153@...> wrote: One of the problems that I found is that F3 key doesn't let you exit. I'm playing around to see what other problems I encounter. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Gary Cozzolino via groups.io Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 10:59 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] VS1 6.7 Mike, Let me know, if you encounter any problems? Gary On Friday, December 10, 2021, 06:33:29 AM MST, Mike Ward <antebios1153@...> wrote: I got VTP installed and its working. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Gary Cozzolino via groups.io Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 1:02 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] VS1 6.7 Mike,When I ptrdd Try VTP 3.7, it is like tso for VS1 Gary On Sunday, December 5, 2021, 08:24:57 AM MST, Mike Ward <antebios1153@...> wrote: Don't know if anyone is still around. Just wanted to let you know that I got VS1 6.7 genned and it's working great.
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Mike,?The task ID is in the upper left conner of the screen, when you encounter a problem, please?indicate the task ID, so I can fix the correct task!
Thanks for your help!!
Gary
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On Saturday, December 11, 2021, 12:34:47 PM MST, Mike Ward <antebios1153@...> wrote: One of the problems that I found is that F3 key doesn't let you exit. I'm playing around to see what other problems I encounter. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Gary Cozzolino via groups.io Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 10:59 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] VS1 6.7 Mike, Let me know, if you encounter any problems? Gary ? ? On Friday, December 10, 2021, 06:33:29 AM MST, Mike Ward <antebios1153@...> wrote:? I got VTP installed and its working. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Gary Cozzolino via groups.io Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 1:02 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] VS1 6.7 Mike, Try VTP 3.7, it is like tso for VS1 Gary ? ? On Sunday, December 5, 2021, 08:24:57 AM MST, Mike Ward <antebios1153@...> wrote:? Don't know if anyone is still around. Just wanted to let you know that I got VS1 6.7 genned and it's working great.
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One of the problems that I found is that F3 key doesn't let you exit. I'm playing around to see what other problems I encounter.
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Gary Cozzolino via groups.io Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 10:59 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] VS1 6.7 Mike, Let me know, if you encounter any problems? Gary On Friday, December 10, 2021, 06:33:29 AM MST, Mike Ward <antebios1153@...> wrote: I got VTP installed and its working. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Gary Cozzolino via groups.io Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 1:02 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] VS1 6.7 Mike, Try VTP 3.7, it is like tso for VS1 Gary On Sunday, December 5, 2021, 08:24:57 AM MST, Mike Ward <antebios1153@...> wrote: Don't know if anyone is still around. Just wanted to let you know that I got VS1 6.7 genned and it's working great.
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Mike,
Let me know, if you encounter any problems?
Gary
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On Friday, December 10, 2021, 06:33:29 AM MST, Mike Ward <antebios1153@...> wrote: I got VTP installed and its working. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Gary Cozzolino via groups.io Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 1:02 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] VS1 6.7 Mike, Try VTP 3.7, it is like tso for VS1 Gary ? ? On Sunday, December 5, 2021, 08:24:57 AM MST, Mike Ward <antebios1153@...> wrote:? Don't know if anyone is still around. Just wanted to let you know that I got VS1 6.7 genned and it's working great.
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I got VTP installed and its working.
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Gary Cozzolino via groups.io Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 1:02 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] VS1 6.7 Mike, Try VTP 3.7, it is like tso for VS1 Gary On Sunday, December 5, 2021, 08:24:57 AM MST, Mike Ward <antebios1153@...> wrote: Don't know if anyone is still around. Just wanted to let you know that I got VS1 6.7 genned and it's working great.
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Re: 213-1C error on disk running job1
My disk was missing a format 4 dscb. I'm not sure why other than I used DASDINIT to create it instead of DASDLOAD. I went back to DASDLOAD and it worked ok.
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Kevin Leonard Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 12:21 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] 213-1C error on disk running job1 A 213-1C is an I/O error reading a PDS directory, which is an odd thing to see in an IEHDASDR DASD initialization job. One thought might be to create another new 3350 volume from scratch and try to initialize it again. Did IEHDASDR print any error messages that might identify the specific data set it was trying to open? A (D u,dasd) shows below, in VS1 can someone please tell me the
difference between a 3330 and a 33301? A DASD shown as "3330" is a 3330 Model 1, and "33301" is a 3330 Model 11. -- Kevin
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Re: 213-1C error on disk running job1
A 213-1C is an I/O error reading a PDS directory, which is an odd thing to see in an IEHDASDR DASD initialization job. One thought might be to create another new 3350 volume from scratch and try to initialize it again. Did IEHDASDR print any error messages that might identify the specific data set it was trying to open? A (D u,dasd) shows below, in VS1 can someone please tell me the difference
between a 3330 and a 33301? A DASD shown as "3330" is a 3330 Model 1, and "33301" is a 3330 Model 11. -- Kevin
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Neither. It looks basically useless. All that appears to be on it are a PTF for VS1 7.0 BTAM (EBT1201) and one for MVS DSF (FDZ1D02).
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Kevin
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Will do Thanks
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Gary Cozzolino via groups.io Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 1:02 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [H390-OSVS] VS1 6.7 Mike, Try VTP 3.7, it is like tso for VS1 Gary On Sunday, December 5, 2021, 08:24:57 AM MST, Mike Ward <antebios1153@...> wrote: Don't know if anyone is still around. Just wanted to let you know that I got VS1 6.7 genned and it's working great.
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René Ferland
Gary Cozzolino