Hi - just a note to document a small error in the above remarkably
detailed and comprehensive instructions. SMPJOB04 instruction section
requests tape j90012.het - this is present but appears to be completely
blank and the job actually specifies j90009.het. The illustrations show
j90012.het being mounted so SMPJOB04 has been changed at some time.
Might save someone some head scratching if they are trying to learn the
intricacies of system generation.

Amazing job Jay - thanks

Bill

On 2/9/25 08:04, William Turner via groups.io wrote:

Hi - just a note to document a small error in the above remarkably
detailed and comprehensive instructions. SMPJOB04 instruction section
requests tape j90012.het - this is present but appears to be completely
blank and the job actually specifies j90009.het. The illustrations show
j90012.het being mounted so SMPJOB04 has been changed at some time.
Might save someone some head scratching if they are trying to learn the
intricacies of system generation.
Amazing job Jay - thanks

Bill,

Sounds like your version of my mvsInstallationResources archive, whichever you use - Windows or Linux - is not the correct match for the instructions on the page. Whenever I update these instructions, almost always the contents of the archives change. Therefore, you always need to download a fresh copy of the archive if you are following the instructions from the live website. You should also always download a fresh copy of SYSCPK, because there have certainly been at least a couple of times when I had to update one or more programs on SYSCPK to facilitate a change in the System Generation process.

Jay

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Please, download correct version of mvsInstallationResources from

?

Andre

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Thank you - apologies for not keeping my notes up-to-date. I didn't realize they changed quite so often. Anyway, I managed to carry out the build to completion, learning a lot in the the process as always. Many thanks for the pointer and, of course, to Jay for such detailed and complete instructions.

Two minor problems - isn't there always something :-

In the ? "Performing a System Generation" stage, the "usermods.jcl" step fails one update namely UMOD009 because member MS00100 was not found in the dataset SYS1.USERMODS. I haven't been able to find the item anywhere so am not sure what that will affect. Otherwise, the final 3390 build went extremely well and no further problems.

The logon procs for the default userids HMVS01 and HMVS02 use REVINIT to start RPF and/or REVIEW (not sure which) but it is missing or, at least, not in the normal executable chain and I have not been able to find it. Not a serious problem, I changed REVINIT to RPF in one userid logon and RFE in the other so I have both ;-)

Best regards

Bill

On 2/24/25 08:31, William Turner via groups.io wrote:

On 2/9/25 14:52, Andre via groups.io wrote:

Please, download correct version of mvsInstallationResources from

Andre
_._,_._,_

Thank you - apologies for not keeping my notes up-to-date. I didn't
realize they changed quite so often. Anyway, I managed to carry out the
build to completion, learning a lot in the the process as always. Many
thanks for the pointer and, of course, to Jay for such detailed and
complete instructions.

Two minor problems - isn't there always something :-

In the ? "Performing a System Generation" stage, the "usermods.jcl" step
fails one update namely UMOD009 because member MS00100 was not found in
the dataset SYS1.USERMODS. I haven't been able to find the item anywhere
so am not sure what that will affect. Otherwise, the final 3390 build
went extremely well and no further problems.

The logon procs for the default userids HMVS01 and HMVS02 use REVINIT to
start RPF and/or REVIEW (not sure which) but it is missing or, at least,
not in the normal executable chain and I have not been able to find it.
Not a serious problem, I changed REVINIT to RPF in one userid logon and
RFE in the other so I have both ;-)

Best regards

Bill

Bill,

The series of pages for installing MVS 3.8j from the IBM distribution
tape images has not been getting complete updates terribly frequently. I
did make a couple of revisions to the tape image containing the DASD
User Modifications, which is what snagged you. Rob Prins fed me some
updates which, one way or another, caused a couple of update cycles to
the het tape image, before we got it settled. As I recall, we went from
VOLSER J90009 (Jim Morrison's original designation) to the current
J90012. At that time, I simply put some comments wherever the name of
the tape image and VOLSER were mentioned, as I didn't have time
immediately to go through the entire installation and capture new screen
shots wherever the tape VOLSER was displayed. Later I did update all the
captures and page text during June, 2024, although even that was not a
complete overhaul.


The cover letter and ZAPs for MS00100 are loaded from tape
(usermods.het, tape dataset #2, SMP.SMPPTFIN) in the second step of job
USERMODS (step name PDSLOAD, program executed is PDSLOAD). From the
SYSOUT from the last SYSGEN I did (for the system I currently run each day):

./ ADD NAME=JLM0005
MEMBER JLM0005 ADDED (20 RECORDS)
./ ADD NAME=MS00100
MEMBER MS00100 ADDED (70 RECORDS) <---
./ ADD NAME=M096220
MEMBER M096220 ADDED (89 RECORDS)

Neither RPF or REVINIT are installed until the page following the System
Generation instructions. REVINIT is installed as a part of Greg Price's
REVIEW package. I suppose to eliminate the possibility of seeing an
error from occurring during a logon prior to completing the
customization (REVIEW is part of the TSO applications package added from
the het image tsoaps.het), I can remove the REVINIT line from the logon
procedure and have the installation job for REVIEW add it at the same
time REVIEW is installed. I already have a Batch TSO job to edit the
REVINIT add a VOLUME parameter to the ISP Profile dataset allocation,
and that could easily be inserted in that step (STEP14 of job MVS03).

I am looking at a new update to the MVS 3.8j installation/SYSGEN
instructions in the not too distant future. Lots of small items need
updating. For instance, Rob Prins' RPF no longer requires a separate
profile, as it now uses the ISP Profile dataset that Wally Mclaughlin's
ISPF and Greg Price's REVIEW use. It does no harm for this allocation to
still be present if you later upgrade to the latest version of RPF, but
it just needs to be cleaned up. All but one of the changes I need to
make to the process are like that, just small changes that have
accumulated as various applications have been upgraded.

Jay

On 2/24/25 19:47, Jay Moseley via groups.io wrote:

On 2/24/25 08:31, William Turner via groups.io wrote:

On 2/9/25 14:52, Andre via groups.io wrote:

Please, download correct version of mvsInstallationResources from

Andre
_._,_._,_

Thank you - apologies for not keeping my notes up-to-date. I didn't
realize they changed quite so often. Anyway, I managed to carry out the
build to completion, learning a lot in the the process as always. Many
thanks for the pointer and, of course, to Jay for such detailed and
complete instructions.

Two minor problems - isn't there always something :-

<SNIP>

I am looking at a new update to the MVS 3.8j installation/SYSGEN
instructions in the not too distant future. Lots of small items need
updating. For instance, Rob Prins' RPF no longer requires a separate
profile, as it now uses the ISP Profile dataset that Wally Mclaughlin's
ISPF and Greg Price's REVIEW use. It does no harm for this allocation to
still be present if you later upgrade to the latest version of RPF, but
it just needs to be cleaned up. All but one of the changes I need to
make to the process are like that, just small changes that have
accumulated as various applications have been upgraded.

Jay



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Jay - Very many thanks for that detailed response. I understand the
difficulties of keeping your instructions up to date considering the
rate of change in this software. Believe me your efforts are really
appreciated. I will modify my copy as per your response and re-do the
sysgen (just for experience).

Best

Bill