Re: Extracting files from CKD to XMIT format
View and extract using Xmit Manager. ?
On Tue, May 27, 2025 at 9:48?AM Jo?o Reginato via <jb.reginato= [email protected]> wrote: Hi everyone ? Is there a way to extract a PDS from a CKD file in XMIT format? If not, it could be very helpful. Don’t you think? If yes, congrats to the author. And let me know how to use it. ? Tks Jo?o ? ? ? ? -- att. Jo?o
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Extracting files from CKD to XMIT format
Hi everyone ? Is there a way to extract a PDS from a CKD file in XMIT format? If not, it could be very helpful. Don’t you think? If yes, congrats to the author. And let me know how to use it. ? Tks Jo?o ? ? ? ? -- att. Jo?o
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Re: ISPF for Hercules TK5
Hello, I have been using Hercules TK5 for about a week or so and I'm looking for any type of free software to use to develop ISPF panels, skeletons, tables, etc.
In the mvs-tk5 directory, you will find a directory "doc" with a lot of PDF files, with many information.
Please start with the "TK5-Introduction-and-user-manual.pdf". In this document, you will find the components installed in TK5.
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Cheers,
Rob
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Re: ISPF for Hercules TK5
There is a PL/I option, I have used it, but it is not the latest standard, it does not support Select/when.? I thought REXX was part of the latest version.
On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 11:04 AM, M Verpelli via groups.io <marco.verpelli@...> wrote: It is a clone of the IBM product but it is not a 1:1 clone
* Panels yes
* Skeletons no
* Clist yes
* Rexx no
* Cobol yes
* Other languages ??no (at least directly)
...
The advice is to take a look at Mr. Belmontes' site
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Marco
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Re: ISPF for Hercules TK5
It is a clone of the IBM product but it is not a 1:1 clone
* Panels yes
* Skeletons no
* Clist yes
* Rexx no
* Cobol yes
* Other languages ??no (at least directly)
...
The advice is to take a look at Mr. Belmontes' site
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Marco
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Re: ISPF for Hercules TK5
The good news: everything is included in TK5!
The other news: there is a learning curve for persons not used to mainframes. Have a look at the previous threads on the subject, and then ask questions here.
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? Hello, I have been using Hercules TK5 for about a week or so and I'm looking for any type of free software to use to develop ISPF panels, skeletons, tables, etc.
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Would anyone have any recommendations?
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Hello, I have been using Hercules TK5 for about a week or so and I'm looking for any type of free software to use to develop ISPF panels, skeletons, tables, etc.
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Would anyone have any recommendations?
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Re: How to catalog forgotten VSAM dataset
On Sun, 18 May 2025 19:31:25 -0500, "Mike Schwab via groups.io" <Mike.A.Schwab@...> wrote: MVS 3.8J has a limit of 32K track (2184 cyl), just under mod 2.
Patched MVS 3.8J has a 64K track (4369 cylinders) limit, just under a
Mod 4. I suspected something of the sort, that is why I changed the volume to hold the user catalog to a 3390-1. :) Thanks.
On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 6:23?PM Fernando M. Roxo da Motta via
groups.io <mvs@...> wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2025 17:58:58 -0500, "Mike Schwab via groups.io"
<Mike.A.Schwab@...> wrote:
What version of z/OS? Ooops, I thought I had stated before that I am working on a Tk5,
that is MVS 3.8.
Sorry for the lack of information.
On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 5:01?PM Fernando M. Roxo da Motta via
groups.io <mvs@...> wrote:
One thing I forgot to mention that I have stumbled upon in my
journey and that perhaps may interest to someone.
I was trying to move my personal DASDs from 3390-1 to 3390-9.
When I tried to create a catalog on an empty 3390-9 the system
just froze and stopped the CPU.
Only reporting in case it can interest to someone.
HTH
On Sun, 18 May 2025 14:26:50 -0300, "Fernando M. Roxo da Motta"
<mvs@...> wrote:
On Thu, 01 May 2025 05:21:15 -0700, "Bob Polmanter"
<wably@...> wrote:
Hi Fernando,
You asked: Sure I did. ;)
Roxo
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Re: How to catalog forgotten VSAM dataset
MVS 3.8J has a limit of 32K track?(2184 cyl), just under mod 2.?? Patched MVS 3.8J has a 64K track (4369 cylinders) limit, just under a Mod 4.
On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 6:23?PM Fernando M. Roxo da Motta via <mvs= [email protected]> wrote: On Sun, 18 May 2025 17:58:58 -0500, "Mike Schwab via "
<Mike.A.Schwab=[email protected]> wrote:
> What version of z/OS?
? Ooops, I thought I had stated before that I am working on a Tk5, that
is MVS 3.8.
? Sorry for the lack of information.
>
> On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 5:01?PM Fernando M. Roxo da Motta via
> <mvs=[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >? ?One thing I forgot to mention that I have stumbled upon in my
> > journey and that perhaps may interest to someone.
> >
> >? ?I was trying to move my personal DASDs from 3390-1 to 3390-9.
> > When I tried to create a catalog on an empty 3390-9 the system just
> > froze and stopped the CPU.
> >
> >? ?Only reporting in case it can interest to someone.
> >
> >
> >? ?HTH
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 18 May 2025 14:26:50 -0300, "Fernando M. Roxo da Motta"
> > <mvs@...> wrote:
> >
> >?
> > > On Thu, 01 May 2025 05:21:15 -0700, "Bob Polmanter"
> > > <wably@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >?
> > > > Hi Fernando,
> > > >
> > > > You asked:?
> > >
> > >? ?Sure I did.? ;)?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >? ?Roxo
> >
> > --
> > ---------------- Non luctari, ludare -------------------+ WYSIWYG
> > Fernando M. Roxo da Motta <mvs@...>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? | Editor?
> > Except where explicitly stated I speak on my own behalf.|? VI !!
> >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?PU5RXO | PX5Q6048? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?| I see
> > text, ------------ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?-------------+ I
> > get text!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >?
>
? Roxo
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Except where explicitly stated I speak on my own behalf.|? VI !!
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? PU5RXO | PX5Q6048? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?| I see text,
------------ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?-------------+ I get text!
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Re: How to catalog forgotten VSAM dataset
On Sun, 18 May 2025 17:58:58 -0500, "Mike Schwab via groups.io" <Mike.A.Schwab@...> wrote: What version of z/OS? Ooops, I thought I had stated before that I am working on a Tk5, that is MVS 3.8. Sorry for the lack of information.
On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 5:01?PM Fernando M. Roxo da Motta via
groups.io <mvs@...> wrote:
One thing I forgot to mention that I have stumbled upon in my
journey and that perhaps may interest to someone.
I was trying to move my personal DASDs from 3390-1 to 3390-9.
When I tried to create a catalog on an empty 3390-9 the system just
froze and stopped the CPU.
Only reporting in case it can interest to someone.
HTH
On Sun, 18 May 2025 14:26:50 -0300, "Fernando M. Roxo da Motta"
<mvs@...> wrote:
On Thu, 01 May 2025 05:21:15 -0700, "Bob Polmanter"
<wably@...> wrote:
Hi Fernando,
You asked: Sure I did. ;)
Roxo
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text, ------------ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?-------------+ I
get text!
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Re: How to catalog forgotten VSAM dataset
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On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 5:01?PM Fernando M. Roxo da Motta via <mvs= [email protected]> wrote:
? One thing I forgot to mention that I have stumbled upon in my journey
and that perhaps may interest to someone.
? I was trying to move my personal DASDs from 3390-1 to 3390-9.? ?When
I tried to create a catalog on an empty 3390-9 the system just froze
and stopped the CPU.
? Only reporting in case it can interest to someone.
? HTH
On Sun, 18 May 2025 14:26:50 -0300, "Fernando M. Roxo da Motta"
<mvs@...> wrote:
> On Thu, 01 May 2025 05:21:15 -0700, "Bob Polmanter"
> <wably@...> wrote:
>
>
> > Hi Fernando,
> >
> > You asked:?
>
>? ?Sure I did.? ;)
? Roxo
--
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Except where explicitly stated I speak on my own behalf.|? VI !!
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? PU5RXO | PX5Q6048? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?| I see text,
------------ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?-------------+ I get text!
-- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA
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Re: How to catalog forgotten VSAM dataset
One thing I forgot to mention that I have stumbled upon in my journey and that perhaps may interest to someone. I was trying to move my personal DASDs from 3390-1 to 3390-9. When I tried to create a catalog on an empty 3390-9 the system just froze and stopped the CPU. Only reporting in case it can interest to someone. HTH On Sun, 18 May 2025 14:26:50 -0300, "Fernando M. Roxo da Motta" <mvs@...> wrote: On Thu, 01 May 2025 05:21:15 -0700, "Bob Polmanter"
<wably@...> wrote:
Hi Fernando,
You asked: Sure I did. ;) Roxo -- ---------------- Non luctari, ludare -------------------+ WYSIWYG Fernando M. Roxo da Motta <mvs@...> | Editor? Except where explicitly stated I speak on my own behalf.| VI !! PU5RXO | PX5Q6048 | I see text, ------------ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?-------------+ I get text!
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Re: How to catalog forgotten VSAM dataset
On Thu, 01 May 2025 05:21:15 -0700, "Bob Polmanter" <wably@...> wrote: Hi Fernando,
You asked: Sure I did. ;) During this time I was playing with the idea of user catalogs. Creating, screwing, trying again, and so forth. I managed to create a user catalog in one of my personal DASDs, deleted the "ROXO" alias connected to SYS1.UCAT.TSO and created an alias "ROXO" pointing/related to the user catalog RXCAT.UCAT.ROXO00. This way everything seems to be *almost* in place. There are no problem to find the datasets with HLQ "ROXO", even not using the JOBCAT/STEPCAT. There are two problems that most likely is related to RAKF configuration. When I try to EDIT a member of any PDS with HLQ ROXO a message shows up on the console: - TSU 21 RAKF0005 INVALID ATTEMPT TO ACCESS RESOURCE - TSU 21 RAKF000A ROXO ,ROXO ,DATASET ,RXCAT.UCAT.ROXO00 - TSU 21 IEC331I 056-006,ROXO ,ISPFTSO ,RCU ,IGG0CLBM I suppose this is about authority to change/update/something the user catalog. If I change the member of a PDS I am allowed to save the changes without RAKF barking back. If I try to allocate a new DATASET in DSLIST (3.4) with the HLQ ROXO, RAKF barks back louder and do not allow me to allocate the new DATASET. I tried it in batch, a simple IEBGENER job creating a new sequential dataset. The dataset was allocated but not cataloged. In JES2 joblog I get: 14.05.17 JOB 38 RAKF0005 INVALID ATTEMPT TO ACCESS RESOURCE 14.05.17 JOB 38 RAKF000A ROXO ,ROXOIEB ,DATASET ,RXCAT.UCAT.ROXO00 14.05.17 JOB 38 IEC331I 056-006,INIT ,ROXOIEB ,RCU ,IGG0CLBM In SYSTEM MESSAGES part of the JOB I get: IEF285I RXCAT.UCAT.ROXO00 KEPT *--------0 IEF285I VOL SER NOS= ROXO00. IEF287I ROXO.BLAH NOT CATLGD 2 *--------1 IEF287I VOL SER NOS= ROXO05. It seems to me that I need change my RAKF profile to give me the authority to catalog datasets in that user catalog. The question is: How do I do that? I now nothing about RAKF and barely recall any detail from RACF from 30 years ago. :( TIA. P.S.- Just to refresh what I intend to do, I want to be able to bring those personal DASDs to another installation and *somehow* (to be determined if possible) be able to import the user catalog to that new installation and get all my DATASETs automagicaly kindly accepted in that new systems, with the minimum effort. Roxo -- ---------------- Non luctari, ludare -------------------+ WYSIWYG Fernando M. Roxo da Motta <mvs@...> | Editor? Except where explicitly stated I speak on my own behalf.| VI !! PU5RXO | PX5Q6048 | I see text, ------------ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?-------------+ I get text!
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Re: TK4- VTAM Configuration?
Sorry for being late,
that’s how socket servers in Unix usually work. They listen on a port number, accept an incoming connection and spawn a sub process or thread that handles that particular connected socket and the main loop starts to listen for incoming connections again. If this is not happening, and I found nothing stating that connections are handled in sub threads or sub processes in the source code, the tcpip stack of the operating systems queues up further incoming connections until the queue depth has been reached.
I reckon the 3705 task handler code would have to associate the different communication with the CID or some such when exchanging the data with VTAM.?
of course sub threads are not really necessary per se. The main line could maintain a list of open sockets and poll them round robin (no exit provided like in VTAM programming) using short socket timeouts or if I remember correctly, one can “select”more than one socket at the same time and then handle the socket where data has arrived. Anyway, it would require changes to the code and of course to define more than one LU with the PU defined for the 3705.?
kind regards?
Michael
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Now fights between the blue you once knew
Floating down, the sound resounds
Around the icy waters underground
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Re: I have a question about the login process of MVS 3.8J TK5.
Good morning!
I fully endorse Jeff's recommendation on Pi - back then, about a year or so, the Pi 5 came out with 8Gb of RAM and the Chinese co "sunfounder" came out with a "Pironman5" mixed-metal acrylic case that includes cooling, gimmicks (RGB fans) and a SSD hat. I got one, assembled it and run two instances of Hercules, one with MVS 3.8j TK5 and one with VM/370 CE. Now, a year later, the Pi 5 has been upgraded and comes with max 16GB (at what I think hefty price tag) and Sunfounder has upgraded the Pironman5 case to accommodate two SSD wich allegedly can be run in a RAID 0/RAID 1 config if desired.?
So far, I'm quite happy with my setup. An alternative to that might be an Intel NUC with i5, i7 or better processors.?
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The SSD hats together with the Pi 5 eliminate one of the major drawbacks of the Pi: the SD card and SD card attachment.?
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kind regards
Michael
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TK4-? ? ? on Raspberry Pi 5 with Raspberry OS "bookworm"
VM/370 on Raspberry Pi 5 with Raspberry OS "bookworm"
Lime and limpid green, a second scene
Now fights between the blue you once knew
Floating down, the sound resounds
Around the icy waters underground
Jupiter and Saturn, Oberon, Miranda and Titania
Neptune, Titan, stars can frighten
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Re: I have a question about the login process of MVS 3.8J TK5.
Mike,
Do yourself a BIG favor – if you really want to use a PI – get a Pi5 – add an hat and SSD – for just over $100 (cost of dinner out) you can have a platform that
is 100% more rational to play with –
You have proven it CAN be done on a Pi zero – pretty damn fun in my mind – the Pi 5 – even without overclocking etc is LIGHT YEARS ahead – of where you are now
–
I purchased a 2nd one just cuz once I built the first one – I did not want to fiddle with it – so I have a 2nd one to play with – I can
bring up MVS – or even Win11 – and both are acceptable performance for what you have –
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Believe me – I have CURRENT MAINFRAME systems that at certain times due to workload do not perform as well as a TSO running on a PI5.
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Enjoy ?
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-J-
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(240) 388-7148 Cell
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Sent: Monday, May 12, 2025 4:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] I have a question about the login process of MVS 3.8J TK5.
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is an ISPF style editor that runs under Windows, uses EBCDIC data, and can submit to z## or Hercules.
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Thank you for your many helpful replies to my question.
When I applied Rob Prins' method, surprisingly, it shortened the time to enter the ISPF screen by about 20 to 25 seconds.
It became quite useful. Thank you very much.
I am also considering the method that René Ferland suggested earlier and building the latest hercules 4.9.
However, considering the slow IO speed of the Raspberry Pi's SD CARD, I don't think there will be a big change, but I will try to optimize it if I can.
I started using computers with DOS, but I learned about hercules while watching YouTube videos about computer work in the mainframe era,
and I felt new inspiration while using MVS directly.
I feel like I am learning computers anew.
I am more attracted to single-tasking than multitasking.
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Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA
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Re: Illegal Instruction - Zosmf - Hercules 4.8
I didn't realize that they all were not necessary anymore, but Fish (of course) is completely? correct, it works fine with just 054 and 130 enabled, the others show they are already enabled by default.
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Thanks for the update.
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Brian
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Re: I have a question about the login process of MVS 3.8J TK5.
is an ISPF style editor that runs under Windows, uses EBCDIC data, and can submit to z## or Hercules.
Thank you for your many helpful replies to my question.
?
When I applied Rob Prins' method, surprisingly, it shortened the time to enter the ISPF screen by about 20 to 25 seconds.
?
It became quite useful. Thank you very much.
?
I am also considering the method that René Ferland suggested earlier and building the latest hercules 4.9.
?
However, considering the slow IO speed of the Raspberry Pi's SD CARD, I don't think there will be a big change, but I will try to optimize it if I can.
?
Thank you all.
?
I started using computers with DOS, but I learned about hercules while watching YouTube videos about computer work in the mainframe era,
?
and I felt new inspiration while using MVS directly.
?
I feel like I am learning computers anew.
?
I am more attracted to single-tasking than multitasking.
?
Thank you all.
-- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA
Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?
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Re: Illegal Instruction - Zosmf - Hercules 4.8
Brian_Westerman wrote: Hi, you need Hercules-4.8.0.11474-SDL-gf7c6a3db-x64, Correct. and the following in your config Incorrect. While it may be true that the facilities that you list are indeed required by z/OS 3.1, it is NOT true that you need those facility statements in your Hercules 4.8 configuration file. You only need a facility statement in your Hercules configuration file to *forcibly* enable a given facility that Hercules does not yet currently support by default. Almost ALL of the facilities you listed are already supported (and this automatically enabled by default) by Hercules 4.8 and thus do not need to be specifically enabled. They are already automatically enabled by default. With Hercules 4.8, the only facility statements that are still needed in your configuration file are: FACILITY ENABLE 054 # 054_EE_CMPSC Entropy-Encoding-Compression Facility FACILITY ENABLE 130 # 130_INSTR_EXEC_PROT Instruction-Execution-Protection Facility All of the other facility statements you listed are no longer needed. The facilities are needed (for z/OS 3.1), yes! But the facility *statements* are no longer needed in your Hercules configuration file as they are now officially supported. Issue the Hercules command "facility query enabled" to obtain a list of all facilities that are currently supported by Hercules (and thus automatically enabled by default). Or use the command "facility query all" (or "facility query long") for a list of ALL facilities that Hercules currently recognizes and whether they are currently supported or not. (The first command presents the list in bit number sequence, whereas the second one lists them in facility name sequence). -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
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Re: I have a question about the login process of MVS 3.8J TK5.
If you can I seriously recommend you to
upgrade your Pi to use a SSD or hard drive (connected via the USB
port.
This is what I use on a Pi3B+ and did on a Pi4 - results are
considerably faster boot and use times.
These add ons from third party items - mostly China, i.e.,
Geekworm or Argon
On 12/05/2025 16:23, jehoyah via groups.io wrote:
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Thank you for your many helpful replies to my question.
?
When I applied Rob Prins' method, surprisingly, it shortened
the time to enter the ISPF screen by about 20 to 25 seconds.
?
It became quite useful. Thank you very much.
?
I am also considering the method that René Ferland suggested
earlier and building the latest hercules 4.9.
?
However, considering the slow IO speed of the Raspberry Pi's
SD CARD, I don't think there will be a big change, but I will
try to optimize it if I can.
?
Thank you all.
?
I started using computers with DOS, but I learned about
hercules while watching YouTube videos about computer work in
the mainframe era,
?
and I felt new inspiration while using MVS directly.
?
I feel like I am learning computers anew.
?
I am more attracted to single-tasking than multitasking.
?
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