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Question about the availability of several things


 

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I think the U of M has an original license. They had to make some modifications to use it on MTS. ?I understand that it’s no longer sold by IBM anymore but they still own the copyright on it and do not usually release those, even if there is no chance that it can make them money anymore.

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I think the Pascal VS and Fortran 77 compilers are also IBM property, so we can’t get those either.

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John

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Marco Antoniotti
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2023 23:29
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] Question about the availability of several things

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Hi

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I am just a lurker here.? I had a thought… is there anyone who can legally run ASMH on MTS?

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I presume so…?

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All the?best

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Marco

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--

Marco Antoniotti
Somewhere over the Rainbow


Ray Jewhurst
 

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Would it be possible though to port f2c and it's frontend fort77 to either MTS or MVS? I know that dialect is more DECish not mainframe but it would give you functionality.

Ray

Get


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of John Palmer <jpalmer@...>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 2:17:33 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] Question about the availability of several things
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I think the U of M has an original license. They had to make some modifications to use it on MTS. ?I understand that it’s no longer sold by IBM anymore but they still own the copyright on it and do not usually release those, even if there is no chance that it can make them money anymore.

?

I think the Pascal VS and Fortran 77 compilers are also IBM property, so we can’t get those either.

?

John

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Marco Antoniotti
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2023 23:29
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] Question about the availability of several things

?

Hi

?

I am just a lurker here.? I had a thought… is there anyone who can legally run ASMH on MTS?

?

I presume so…?

?

All the?best

?

Marco

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--

Marco Antoniotti
Somewhere over the Rainbow


 

I think you can find UBC Pascal (which I recall using as an undergraduate in the early 1980s) in the UNSP: directory.? I don't have my MTS running currently but UNSP:PAS.BC seems familiar.

Rob

On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 12:22 PM John Palmer <jpalmer@...> wrote:

I think the U of M has an original license. They had to make some modifications to use it on MTS.? I understand that it’s no longer sold by IBM anymore but they still own the copyright on it and do not usually release those, even if there is no chance that it can make them money anymore.

?

I think the Pascal VS and Fortran 77 compilers are also IBM property, so we can’t get those either.

?

John

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Marco Antoniotti
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2023 23:29
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] Question about the availability of several things

?

Hi

?

I am just a lurker here.? I had a thought… is there anyone who can legally run ASMH on MTS?

?

I presume so…?

?

All the?best

?

Marco

?

--

Marco Antoniotti
Somewhere over the Rainbow


 

Thanks.

Therefore, somebody with a UoM affiliation could - in principle - run ASMH to recompile bits and pieces of MTS (e.g., introducing a way to read the list of disks/devices from a a file, or whatever).? I presume that that's the way it is if a 7.0 is to be produced.

All the best

Marco


Drew Derbyshire
 

Note that the LCM+L has VS FORTRAN (Fortran 77) on the IBM 4361 running VM/SP.

-ahd-

p.s. my standard disclaimer: I do not work for the LCM+L and I do not speak for them.


 

Does the LCM even exist anymore? iIRC, the folks who control the Allen estate used COVID as an excuse kill off all of Paul's passion projects including the the LCM and the Seattle Cinerama theater.

Mike

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 10:55 AM Drew Derbyshire <swhobbit@...> wrote:

Note that the LCM+L has VS FORTRAN (Fortran 77) on the IBM 4361 running VM/SP.

-ahd-

p.s. my standard disclaimer: I do not work for the LCM+L and I do not speak for them.


 

Well, Vulcan is still managing an instance of Hercules...that's about it. I'm told the collection is safe, for the time being. But given that the aircraft museum was sold off, that doesn't bode well for the hardware at LCM.

-Dave

On 2/28/23 11:20, Michael Kerpan wrote:
Does the LCM even exist anymore? iIRC, the folks who control the Allen estate used COVID as an excuse kill off all of Paul's passion projects including the the LCM and the Seattle Cinerama theater.
Mike
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 10:55 AM Drew Derbyshire <swhobbit@... <mailto:swhobbit@...>> wrote:
Note that the LCM+L has VS FORTRAN (Fortran 77) on the IBM 4361
running VM/SP.
-ahd-
p.s. /my standard disclaimer:/ I do not work for the LCM+L and I do
not speak for them.
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA


 

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Thanks – found it. Works great – searching the system for documentation. I need to know how to call system subroutines from Pascal.

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I know that with *PascalVS, ?you declared them as “Fortran” instead of “External” to make it use the proper calling convention. Not sure what the syntax is for UBC Pascal.

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John

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rob Ballantyne
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 17:41
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] Question about the availability of several things

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I think you can find UBC Pascal (which I recall using as an undergraduate in the early 1980s) in the UNSP: directory.? I don't have my MTS running currently but UNSP:PAS.BC seems familiar.

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Rob

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On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 12:22 PM John Palmer <jpalmer@...> wrote:

I think the U of M has an original license. They had to make some modifications to use it on MTS.? I understand that it’s no longer sold by IBM anymore but they still own the copyright on it and do not usually release those, even if there is no chance that it can make them money anymore.

?

I think the Pascal VS and Fortran 77 compilers are also IBM property, so we can’t get those either.

?

John

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Marco Antoniotti
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2023 23:29
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] Question about the availability of several things

?

Hi

?

I am just a lurker here.? I had a thought… is there anyone who can legally run ASMH on MTS?

?

I presume so…?

?

All the?best

?

Marco

?

--

Marco Antoniotti
Somewhere over the Rainbow


Drew Derbyshire
 

Does the LCM even exist anymore? iIRC, the folks who control the Allen estate used COVID as an excuse kill off all of Paul's passion projects including the the LCM and the Seattle Cinerama theater.

As near I can tell, the division is dormant, not dead. Various news reports have pointed out the estate is to be disposed of with the profits going to Paul Allen's passion projects (???), but for example one does not run randomly a yard sale at Lumen Field to turn the Seahawks into cash.? And in fact, the estate needs to hold on to to the team for another year:?

The LCM+L does have a skeleton staff (I'm not part of it) and many systems (some emulated) are accessible by "ssh?menu@..."

Your friendly 4361 valet,

-ahd-

p.s. my standard disclaimer: (All together now …) I do not work for the LCM+L and I do not speak for them.


Drew Derbyshire
 

gotta love security.?

The LCM+L does have a skeleton staff (I'm not part of it) and many systems (some emulated) are accessible by "ssh?menu@..."

Should be menu @ tty.livingcomputers.org