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Re: Steps for adding new volumes - I seem to be missing a step (or two)

 

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FYI: Figured this out. TABLES has 6 slots defined and apparently that’s the max you can add either by patching to have them load automatically at IPL time or even dynamically with SYS:DSK.

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So, without a recompile, you can’t have more than 6, period.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Palmer
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2023 06:53
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] Steps for adding new volumes - I seem to be missing a step (or two)

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I was able to include this in the INIT scripts.

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Next question: Apparently DMGR only allows 6 volumes. When I try to add #7, it complains that the volume doesn’t exist or no room left in the table.

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Is there a TABLES entry that controls how many volumes you can have?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mike Stramba
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 19:57
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] Steps for adding new volumes - I seem to be missing a step (or two)

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On Dec 5, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Mike Stramba??[H390-MTS] <> wrote:

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Ok thx.

What about the *DSK "table" ?

Can it be made permanent ?

Or is the method to just add another script to run at boot to "refresh" it ?

Mike

Take a look here: ??

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That message says in part:

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MTS will read the volume labels for each online disk at system startup looking for the volume names and public volume numbers that are assembled into DSKTAB and based on what is found the MTS disk volume name and public volume number will be mapped to the appropriate MTS device name; the D6.0 and D6.0A version of DSKTAB expect there to be one MTS disk volume, named MTS600 and it will be public volume 1; ?you can add more disk volumes, but you need to add the new volumes to DSKTAB manually each time you IPL MTS; the *-file job *DSK allows you to work with DSKTAB, they are described in the MTS Operator's Manual.

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So if you had a working version of *ASMH, you would reassemble TABLES which includes DSKTAB and add the new volume that way.

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But you don’t, so you can run the DSK program (the same program that is run by *DSK) from a *-file job that is run at IPL-time.

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Or you could patch DSKTAB in RAMROD and create a new IPLable system.

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? ?-Jeff

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On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 7:05 PM Mike Alexander <mta@...> wrote:

I realy don't recall how DMGR is started or where it gets a list of disks. I haven't thought about this in around 30 years. I do know that the list of MTS volumes is stored in a table called (I think) DSKTAB in the TABLES assembly and that there is at least one dummy entry at the end of this table where a new volume can be patched in. I'm also pretty sure that's all that is needed to get the new volumes to work with MTS. It shouldn't be hard to patch this table using RAMROD to see if I'm right.

As a minor bit of trivia, this table dates from some time in 1966 back when 6 character names were still the norm (because 6 characters fit in one word on a 704 or derivative).

Mike

On 13 Feb 2023, at 12:49, John Palmer wrote:

Got it working - Thanks

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There has to be some way in the startup jobs to tell DMGR what volumes to add (actually disks – like D400, D401, etc) . I hope that’s not hardcoded in the system deck (like timezone).

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Been looking around on INIT and STRT and can’t find where DMGR is started. The only thing I see in the startup messages on the console makes me think DMGR is started when PDP mentions it for paging.

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I suppose I can run SYS:DSK from one of the INIT scripts.

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John

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of René Ferland
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 10:16
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] Steps for adding new volumes - I seem to be missing a step (or two)

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On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 07:16 AM, John Palmer wrote:

Am I missing a step?

I think so. After the ADD, do a DMGR:

ADD MTS601
DMGR MTS601
...

If I remember well, the additions are "temporary", you will need to run SYS:DSK again to (re-) add your disks after each IPL.

Cheers,

Rene FERLAND, Montreal
Re: Steps for adding new volumes - I seem to be missing a step (or two)

 

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I was able to include this in the INIT scripts.

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Next question: Apparently DMGR only allows 6 volumes. When I try to add #7, it complains that the volume doesn’t exist or no room left in the table.

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Is there a TABLES entry that controls how many volumes you can have?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mike Stramba
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 19:57
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] Steps for adding new volumes - I seem to be missing a step (or two)

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On Dec 5, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Mike Stramba??[H390-MTS] <> wrote:

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Ok thx.

What about the *DSK "table" ?

Can it be made permanent ?

Or is the method to just add another script to run at boot to "refresh" it ?

Mike

Take a look here: ??

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That message says in part:

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MTS will read the volume labels for each online disk at system startup looking for the volume names and public volume numbers that are assembled into DSKTAB and based on what is found the MTS disk volume name and public volume number will be mapped to the appropriate MTS device name; the D6.0 and D6.0A version of DSKTAB expect there to be one MTS disk volume, named MTS600 and it will be public volume 1; ?you can add more disk volumes, but you need to add the new volumes to DSKTAB manually each time you IPL MTS; the *-file job *DSK allows you to work with DSKTAB, they are described in the MTS Operator's Manual.

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So if you had a working version of *ASMH, you would reassemble TABLES which includes DSKTAB and add the new volume that way.

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But you don’t, so you can run the DSK program (the same program that is run by *DSK) from a *-file job that is run at IPL-time.

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Or you could patch DSKTAB in RAMROD and create a new IPLable system.

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? ?-Jeff

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On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 7:05 PM Mike Alexander <mta@...> wrote:

I realy don't recall how DMGR is started or where it gets a list of disks. I haven't thought about this in around 30 years. I do know that the list of MTS volumes is stored in a table called (I think) DSKTAB in the TABLES assembly and that there is at least one dummy entry at the end of this table where a new volume can be patched in. I'm also pretty sure that's all that is needed to get the new volumes to work with MTS. It shouldn't be hard to patch this table using RAMROD to see if I'm right.

As a minor bit of trivia, this table dates from some time in 1966 back when 6 character names were still the norm (because 6 characters fit in one word on a 704 or derivative).

Mike

On 13 Feb 2023, at 12:49, John Palmer wrote:

Got it working - Thanks

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There has to be some way in the startup jobs to tell DMGR what volumes to add (actually disks – like D400, D401, etc) . I hope that’s not hardcoded in the system deck (like timezone).

?

Been looking around on INIT and STRT and can’t find where DMGR is started. The only thing I see in the startup messages on the console makes me think DMGR is started when PDP mentions it for paging.

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I suppose I can run SYS:DSK from one of the INIT scripts.

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John

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of René Ferland
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 10:16
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] Steps for adding new volumes - I seem to be missing a step (or two)

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On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 07:16 AM, John Palmer wrote:

Am I missing a step?

I think so. After the ADD, do a DMGR:

ADD MTS601
DMGR MTS601
...

If I remember well, the additions are "temporary", you will need to run SYS:DSK again to (re-) add your disks after each IPL.

Cheers,

Rene FERLAND, Montreal
Re: Steps for adding new volumes - I seem to be missing a step (or two)

Mike Stramba
 

On Dec 5, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Mike Stramba??[H390-MTS] <> wrote:

Ok thx.

What about the *DSK "table" ?

Can it be made permanent ?

Or is the method to just add another script to run at boot to "refresh" it ?

Mike

Take a look here: ??

That message says in part:

MTS will read the volume labels for each online disk at system startup looking for the volume names and public volume numbers that are assembled into DSKTAB and based on what is found the MTS disk volume name and public volume number will be mapped to the appropriate MTS device name; the D6.0 and D6.0A version of DSKTAB expect there to be one MTS disk volume, named MTS600 and it will be public volume 1; ?you can add more disk volumes, but you need to add the new volumes to DSKTAB manually each time you IPL MTS; the *-file job *DSK allows you to work with DSKTAB, they are described in the MTS Operator's Manual.

So if you had a working version of *ASMH, you would reassemble TABLES which includes DSKTAB and add the new volume that way.

But you don’t, so you can run the DSK program (the same program that is run by *DSK) from a *-file job that is run at IPL-time.

Or you could patch DSKTAB in RAMROD and create a new IPLable system.

? ?-Jeff

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 7:05 PM Mike Alexander <mta@...> wrote:

I realy don't recall how DMGR is started or where it gets a list of disks. I haven't thought about this in around 30 years. I do know that the list of MTS volumes is stored in a table called (I think) DSKTAB in the TABLES assembly and that there is at least one dummy entry at the end of this table where a new volume can be patched in. I'm also pretty sure that's all that is needed to get the new volumes to work with MTS. It shouldn't be hard to patch this table using RAMROD to see if I'm right.

As a minor bit of trivia, this table dates from some time in 1966 back when 6 character names were still the norm (because 6 characters fit in one word on a 704 or derivative).

Mike

On 13 Feb 2023, at 12:49, John Palmer wrote:

Got it working - Thanks

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There has to be some way in the startup jobs to tell DMGR what volumes to add (actually disks – like D400, D401, etc) . I hope that’s not hardcoded in the system deck (like timezone).

?

Been looking around on INIT and STRT and can’t find where DMGR is started. The only thing I see in the startup messages on the console makes me think DMGR is started when PDP mentions it for paging.

?

I suppose I can run SYS:DSK from one of the INIT scripts.

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John

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of René Ferland
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 10:16
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] Steps for adding new volumes - I seem to be missing a step (or two)

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On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 07:16 AM, John Palmer wrote:

Am I missing a step?

I think so. After the ADD, do a DMGR:

ADD MTS601
DMGR MTS601
...

If I remember well, the additions are "temporary", you will need to run SYS:DSK again to (re-) add your disks after each IPL.

Cheers,

Rene FERLAND, Montreal
Re: Steps for adding new volumes - I seem to be missing a step (or two)

 

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I realy don't recall how DMGR is started or where it gets a list of disks. I haven't thought about this in around 30 years. I do know that the list of MTS volumes is stored in a table called (I think) DSKTAB in the TABLES assembly and that there is at least one dummy entry at the end of this table where a new volume can be patched in. I'm also pretty sure that's all that is needed to get the new volumes to work with MTS. It shouldn't be hard to patch this table using RAMROD to see if I'm right.

As a minor bit of trivia, this table dates from some time in 1966 back when 6 character names were still the norm (because 6 characters fit in one word on a 704 or derivative).

Mike

On 13 Feb 2023, at 12:49, John Palmer wrote:

Got it working - Thanks

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There has to be some way in the startup jobs to tell DMGR what volumes to add (actually disks – like D400, D401, etc) . I hope that’s not hardcoded in the system deck (like timezone).

?

Been looking around on INIT and STRT and can’t find where DMGR is started. The only thing I see in the startup messages on the console makes me think DMGR is started when PDP mentions it for paging.

?

I suppose I can run SYS:DSK from one of the INIT scripts.

?

John

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of René Ferland
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 10:16
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] Steps for adding new volumes - I seem to be missing a step (or two)

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On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 07:16 AM, John Palmer wrote:

Am I missing a step?

I think so. After the ADD, do a DMGR:

ADD MTS601
DMGR MTS601
...

If I remember well, the additions are "temporary", you will need to run SYS:DSK again to (re-) add your disks after each IPL.

Cheers,

Rene FERLAND, Montreal
Re: Steps for adding new volumes - I seem to be missing a step (or two)

 

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Got it working - Thanks

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There has to be some way in the startup jobs to tell DMGR what volumes to add (actually disks – like D400, D401, etc) . I hope that’s not hardcoded in the system deck (like timezone).

?

Been looking around on INIT and STRT and can’t find where DMGR is started. The only thing I see in the startup messages on the console makes me think DMGR is started when PDP mentions it for paging.

?

I suppose I can run SYS:DSK from one of the INIT scripts.

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John

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of René Ferland
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 10:16
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] Steps for adding new volumes - I seem to be missing a step (or two)

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On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 07:16 AM, John Palmer wrote:

Am I missing a step?

I think so. After the ADD, do a DMGR:

ADD MTS601
DMGR MTS601
...

If I remember well, the additions are "temporary", you will need to run SYS:DSK again to (re-) add your disks after each IPL.

Cheers,

Rene FERLAND, Montreal

Re: Steps for adding new volumes - I seem to be missing a step (or two)

 

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 07:16 AM, John Palmer wrote:
Am I missing a step?
I think so. After the ADD, do a DMGR:

ADD MTS601
DMGR MTS601
...

If I remember well, the additions are "temporary", you will need to run SYS:DSK again to (re-) add your disks after each IPL.

Cheers,

Rene FERLAND, Montreal
Steps for adding new volumes - I seem to be missing a step (or two)

 

I created some new disks using the Hercules utilities and attached them to addresses 0261, 0262 and 0263 in Hercules.cnf.

After re-IPL, I then used the DASDI macro under id FILE to format the drives

D401 MTS601 VX 2
D402 MTS602 VX 3
D403 MTS603 VX 4

Then, I ran SYS:DSK to attach them to DMGR

ADD MTS601
ADD MTS602
ADD MTS603

No error messages, but when I use the LIST command, DMGR seems not to be able to map them to the devices:


PVN Volume Drive Type Free Total PatA at 10:14:48 on 02-13-23
1 MTS600 on D400 3380 47569 132750 65400
2 MTS601 on where? NoDMGR
3 MTS602 on where? NoDMGR
4 MTS603 on where? NoDMGR

132,747 total pages, 47,569 free pages (39,569 adjusted), 35.8% free.

Adjusted free pages = total free - free POLR - (2000 * #non-POLR volumes) .

Am I missing a step?

Thanks
Re: Hello from new user.

 

I was able to carefully change the text from "University of Michigan Computing Center" by editing *3270RTN. It's hardcoded in there.

I have been able to run ok with Hyperion 4.5, but every now and then it does super dump on me, right after IPL. Last time I had it up for 3 weeks. When I reloaded it, it crashed once but came up ok after I tried again. I can't ever get it to write the dump to tape - it just freezes.

Also, no joy with PTR2 - even with Hyperion 4.5 and any of the three examples in the .cnf file.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mike Alexander
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2023 22:15
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] Hello from new user.

The host code is stored in the CNFGIFNO area which is a collection of configuration info that is generated as part of the TABLES assembly. In principle it could easily be changed. However when I changed it from UM to MT years ago I discovered that there are quite a few places where that code is used, some of them surprising, and some of them non-trivial to change. I would recommend leaving it as MT.

The block MTS and banner displayed on the 3270 is generated by the 3270 DSR. I don't know offhand whether it gets some of this from CNFGINFO, but it might. In any case it could probably be patched without any significant side effects. I haven't tried this.

Mike

On 28 Jan 2023, at 18:15, John Palmer wrote:

Another question: How does one change the banner on the 3270 terminals
that says ‘Univeristy of Michigan Computing Center’? Also, the host
code (It says MT now)

Is that something that can be changed with RAMROD like the timezone?
Re: Hello from new user.

 

The host code is stored in the CNFGIFNO area which is a collection of configuration info that is generated as part of the TABLES assembly. In principle it could easily be changed. However when I changed it from UM to MT years ago I discovered that there are quite a few places where that code is used, some of them surprising, and some of them non-trivial to change. I would recommend leaving it as MT.

The block MTS and banner displayed on the 3270 is generated by the 3270 DSR. I don't know offhand whether it gets some of this from CNFGINFO, but it might. In any case it could probably be patched without any significant side effects. I haven't tried this.

Mike

On 28 Jan 2023, at 18:15, John Palmer wrote:

Another question: How does one change the banner on the 3270 terminals that says ‘Univeristy of Michigan Computing Center’?? Also, the host code (It says MT now)

Is that something that can be changed with RAMROD like the timezone?
Re: Hello from new user.

 

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Another question: How does one change the banner on the 3270 terminals that says ‘Univeristy of Michigan Computing Center’?? Also, the host code (It says MT now)

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Is that something that can be changed with RAMROD like the timezone?

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Thanks

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mike Alexander
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2022 17:27
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] Hello from new user.

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I can add a bit to this.

I have both FTP and Telnet working in my copy of MTS and Hercules. Unfortunately this requires both changes to Hercules and the 1996 version of MTS, neither of which is generally available. I really hope to do something about this soon. To do so I need to finish up the Hercules changes and get them integrated into the Hyperion version of Hercules. I (or I hope we) also need to clean up the 1996 version of MTS so it can be released.

By the way, Hyperion is definitely not a .NET program. It's written almost entirely in C.

I think we have permission to include Confer in the 1996 version of MTS. If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me.

Mike

On 29 Nov 2022, at 0:38, Dave Wade wrote:

John,

I hope this helps…

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  1. I don’t think this has ever progressed
  2. I don’t think anyone builds a current Hercules for Linux. You have to build from source
  3. The only currently maintained Hercules is the SDL Hyperion :-

If you use the Hercules Helper it should build on Linux. I think the latest 3.xx which you can install by APT or whatever will be fine for MTS ?

  1. Not seen any news on CONFER

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Dave

G4UGM

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Palmer
Sent: 28 November 2022 22:39
To: [email protected]
Subject: [H390-MTS] Hello from new user.

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Hi – I was a student at Wayne State University in the 1980’s and used MTS quite a bit.

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I noticed that there haven’t been many posts lately – I know people are probably busy and don’t have much time for work on MTS stuff.

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Just have a few questions:

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  1. I know that some work was done to get FTP from MTS working, and I think, Telnet as well.? How is that going and which version of Hercules is needed to support this?
  2. I can’t seem to find a version of Hercules 4+ that is compiled for Linux (CentOS 7). If its source-only, I can probably just get it and compile it.
  3. I saw a version of Hercules called Hyperion that appears to be .NET only. I assume there isn’t a Linux version. Is this true?
  4. Any news about Confer? ?I know that was Bob Parnes / Advertel Communications. Not sure if Bob is still around. If so, wonder if he would mind making Confer available for people to use.

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Thanks.
Re: MTS as a guest of VM/370

 

The MTS team made available various historical versions of MTS. Some of
the are old enough to run in 370 mode. IIRC not all of them are in a
bootable state, but I think Rich Cornwell got some of the older stuff to
run.

Rather than chase the unobtainium, it'd probably be more worthwhile to:

- See about running one of those older 360- or 370-mode versions.

- Build a replacement for ASMH that will run on various platforms (MTS,
IBM OSen, Unix, etc), and includes the patched behavior of the MTS
version.

- Work with IBM to obtain non-commercial rights to share, modify and run
ASMH. Haha.

The first could be fun -- there are some subsystems in the 6.x versions
that most currently run which were relatively late to the game.

The second would solve a fair number of problems across the IBM 3x0
emulation community. MTS is far from the only place with ASMH license
problems.

The third is presumably a "good luck, Charlie" sort of affair.

De
Re: MTS as a guest of VM/370

 

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Palmer
Sent: 17 January 2023 19:15
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] MTS as a guest of VM/370

Just out of curiosity - how much does an ASMH license cost and can you even
get one unless you also have a license for an IBM OS / other software?
You can't get an Assembler H licence. Its withdrawn from marketing. The replacement will be object code only so you can't apply the mods needed for MTS

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Richard -
VE7CVS
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2023 23:12
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] MTS as a guest of VM/370

MTS runs perfectly fine under Hercules, it's just that a build for
VM/370 doesn't exist.

It might be fun to try and build an 'ancient' version of MTS that would run under
VM/370 (I remember that SFU did that back in the late 70s to run on our
370/148) and it would be 'educational' for those of us who have never done it
before!

If it needs ASMH, ah well - look earlier!!!! (Yes, the MTS version of ASMH is
modified, but does require an IBM licence to run.)


- Richard

On 1/13/23 8:17 PM, Fish Fish wrote:
Mike Stramba wrote:
Fish wrote:

If you know VM/ESA, you might want to give it a try. I'd try it
myself (I have VM/ESA installed), but I don't anything about MTS.
Well if you want to try MTS :

*

Very nicely done site. Using it, I went from zero knowledge
of MTS to a fairly competent user in a few hours.
Thanks, Mike! I'll give it a try when I get a chance. (Probably won't be any time
soon though.)
Re: MTS as a guest of VM/370

 

Just out of curiosity - how much does an ASMH license cost and can you even get one unless you also have a license for an IBM OS / other software?

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Richard - VE7CVS
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2023 23:12
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] MTS as a guest of VM/370

MTS runs perfectly fine under Hercules, it's just that a build for
VM/370 doesn't exist.

It might be fun to try and build an 'ancient' version of MTS that would run under VM/370 (I remember that SFU did that back in the late 70s to run on our 370/148) and it would be 'educational' for those of us who have never done it before!

If it needs ASMH, ah well - look earlier!!!! (Yes, the MTS version of ASMH is modified, but does require an IBM licence to run.)


- Richard

On 1/13/23 8:17 PM, Fish Fish wrote:
Mike Stramba wrote:
Fish wrote:

If you know VM/ESA, you might want to give it a try. I'd
try it myself (I have VM/ESA installed), but I don't anything
about MTS.
Well if you want to try MTS :

*

Very nicely done site. Using it, I went from zero knowledge
of MTS to a fairly competent user in a few hours.
Thanks, Mike! I'll give it a try when I get a chance. (Probably won't be any time soon though.)
Re: MTS as a guest of VM/370

 

MTS runs perfectly fine under Hercules, it's just that a build for VM/370 doesn't exist.

It might be fun to try and build an 'ancient' version of MTS that would run under VM/370 (I remember that SFU did that back in the late 70s to run on our 370/148) and it would be 'educational' for those of us who have never done it before!

If it needs ASMH, ah well - look earlier!!!! (Yes, the MTS version of ASMH is modified, but does require an IBM licence to run.)


- Richard

On 1/13/23 8:17 PM, Fish Fish wrote:
Mike Stramba wrote:
Fish wrote:

If you know VM/ESA, you might want to give it a try. I'd
try it myself (I have VM/ESA installed), but I don't anything
about MTS.
Well if you want to try MTS :

*

Very nicely done site. Using it, I went from zero knowledge
of MTS to a fairly competent user in a few hours.
Thanks, Mike! I'll give it a try when I get a chance. (Probably won't be any time soon though.)
Re: MTS as a guest of VM/370

 

Mike Stramba wrote:
Fish wrote:

If you know VM/ESA, you might want to give it a try. I'd
try it myself (I have VM/ESA installed), but I don't anything
about MTS.
Well if you want to try MTS :

*

Very nicely done site. Using it, I went from zero knowledge
of MTS to a fairly competent user in a few hours.
Thanks, Mike! I'll give it a try when I get a chance. (Probably won't be any time soon though.)

--
"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories

mail: fish@...
Re: MTS as a guest of VM/370

Mike Stramba
 

On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 10:52 AM Fish Fish <david.b.trout@...> wrote:

If you know VM/ESA, you might want to give it a try. I'd try it myself (I have VM/ESA installed), but I don't anything about MTS.

Well if you want to try MTS :


Very nicely done site.? ? Using it, I went from zero knowledge of MTS to a fairly competent user in a few hours.

Mike?
Re: MTS as a guest of VM/370

 

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On 13 Jan 2023, at 18:51, Dave Wade wrote:

I don’t believe that is sufficient. I understand MTS system generation depends on having a MODIFIED version of Assembler H.

That is correct. I don't think anyone has been able to assemble much of MTS without the MTS version of ASMH.

This may not matter too much in the current discussion since later versions of MTS only run on XA machines. XA was the current architecture when development of MTS ended so that's all that D6 supports. However all previous distributions of MTS are available online (see . I'm not sure offhand which is the last version supporting 360/67 or 370 (non-XA). This is documented somewhere but I'm not sure where. One of those versions should run in older versions of VM (or CP/67).

Mike
Re: MTS as a guest of VM/370

 

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Mike,

I don’t believe that is sufficient. I understand MTS system generation depends on having a MODIFIED version of Assembler H.

Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mike Ward
Sent: 13 January 2023 23:35
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] MTS as a guest of VM/370

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I wrote to Don Higgins about the z390 he has. The object deck that is created looks like it can be linked in z/os or any of the other operating systems except dos. Here is his reply.

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Ward

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Z390 obj files were designed to be compatible with OS linker and I know it worked back in earlier days.? I have not tried it lately.

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Don Higgins

don@...

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Sent: Friday, January 13, 2023 3:16 PM
To: z390@...
Subject: Question

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Would it be possible to assemble a program then take the text file and link it on z/OS?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Richard - VE7CVS
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2023 11:16 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] MTS as a guest of VM/370

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You can't build versions of MTS (at least not the recent ones) as it requires ASM-H, which is an IBM licenced product.

Perhaps Mike can chime in if it is possible to build an earlier version of MTS - possibly even ones that run on VM/370?

- Richard

On 1/13/23 02:11, Dave Wade wrote:

Rob,

Not with the released systems. VM/370 is very old so S/370 only. The MTS system runs in ESA mode (I think might work in XA mode) so won’t run the free VM.

I suspect you could build a 370 version of MTS but I haven’t investigated how much work it would need.

Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of robballantyne3@...
Sent: 13 January 2023 00:35
To: [email protected]
Subject: [H390-MTS] MTS as a guest of VM/370

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It looks like the VM/370 group has been quite active and has recently released a VM/370 Community Edition V1R1.2

I'm just curious whether it ought to be possible to run MTS under VM.? If anyone has tried.

Thanks,
Rob

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Re: MTS as a guest of VM/370

 

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I wrote to Don Higgins about the z390 he has. The object deck that is created looks like it can be linked in z/os or any of the other operating systems except dos. Here is his reply.

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Ward

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Z390 obj files were designed to be compatible with OS linker and I know it worked back in earlier days.? I have not tried it lately.

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Don Higgins

don@...

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From: z390@... <z390@...> On Behalf Of ward007@...
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2023 3:16 PM
To: z390@...
Subject: Question

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Would it be possible to assemble a program then take the text file and link it on z/OS?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Richard - VE7CVS
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2023 11:16 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] MTS as a guest of VM/370

?

You can't build versions of MTS (at least not the recent ones) as it requires ASM-H, which is an IBM licenced product.

Perhaps Mike can chime in if it is possible to build an earlier version of MTS - possibly even ones that run on VM/370?

- Richard

On 1/13/23 02:11, Dave Wade wrote:

Rob,

Not with the released systems. VM/370 is very old so S/370 only. The MTS system runs in ESA mode (I think might work in XA mode) so won’t run the free VM.

I suspect you could build a 370 version of MTS but I haven’t investigated how much work it would need.

Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of robballantyne3@...
Sent: 13 January 2023 00:35
To: [email protected]
Subject: [H390-MTS] MTS as a guest of VM/370

?

It looks like the VM/370 group has been quite active and has recently released a VM/370 Community Edition V1R1.2

I'm just curious whether it ought to be possible to run MTS under VM.? If anyone has tried.

Thanks,
Rob

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Re: MTS as a guest of VM/370

 

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You can't build versions of MTS (at least not the recent ones) as it requires ASM-H, which is an IBM licenced product.

Perhaps Mike can chime in if it is possible to build an earlier version of MTS - possibly even ones that run on VM/370?

- Richard

On 1/13/23 02:11, Dave Wade wrote:

Rob,

Not with the released systems. VM/370 is very old so S/370 only. The MTS system runs in ESA mode (I think might work in XA mode) so won’t run the free VM.

I suspect you could build a 370 version of MTS but I haven’t investigated how much work it would need.

Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of robballantyne3@...
Sent: 13 January 2023 00:35
To: [email protected]
Subject: [H390-MTS] MTS as a guest of VM/370

?

It looks like the VM/370 group has been quite active and has recently released a VM/370 Community Edition V1R1.2

I'm just curious whether it ought to be possible to run MTS under VM.? If anyone has tried.

Thanks,
Rob


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