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Re: MTS as a guest of VM/370
On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 07:52 AM, Fish Fish wrote:
If MTS is ESA only, then maybe it'll run under VM/ESA 2.40?It does run, but the system we have does not implement handshaking, that is automatic CP CLOSE after a print, and automatic CP RESET after a signoff. Cheers, Rene FERLAND, Montreal |
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Re: MTS as a guest of VM/370
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Note there are older versions of MTS that do run on the 360/67 and 370. These are a bit harder to get working but they do work. Perhaps an older version would work on VM/370. Rich Fascinating, so many operating systems, so little time :) --
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Re: MTS as a guest of VM/370
Fascinating, so many operating systems, so little time :) I hadn't discovered Internet Archive until?you mentioned it Fish (I see that's what everyone calls you, I hope I'm not being too familiar).?? I found this () as well.? Is it worth trying? Rob On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 7:52 AM Fish Fish <david.b.trout@...> wrote: Dave Wade wrote: |
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Re: MTS as a guest of VM/370
Dave Wade wrote:
Rob wrote:[...] [...]It looks like the VM/370 group has been quite active Not with the released systems. VM/370 is very old so S/370 only.If MTS is ESA only, then maybe it'll run under VM/ESA 2.40? * If you know VM/ESA, you might want to give it a try. I'd try it myself (I have VM/ESA installed), but I don't anything about MTS. -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@... |
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Re: MTS as a guest of VM/370
开云体育Rob, Not with the released systems. VM/370 is very old so S/370 only. The MTS system runs in ESA mode (I think might work in XA mode) so won’t run the free VM. I suspect you could build a 370 version of MTS but I haven’t investigated how much work it would need. Dave ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of robballantyne3@...
Sent: 13 January 2023 00:35 To: [email protected] Subject: [H390-MTS] MTS as a guest of VM/370 ? It looks like the VM/370 group has been quite active and has recently released a VM/370 Community Edition V1R1.2 |
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Re: CMDTAPE - Wish me luck, I'm going in....
开云体育You probably don't need to write anything in either assembly language or Plus. When the CmdStat programs fills a file it starts another MTS job from some public file. Unfortunately I can't recall the name of that file, but if you can find it you can probaly change it to just empty the old CmdStat file without saving it. I think that's what I did with my copy of MTS. Mike On 12 Jan 2023, at 3:34, John Palmer wrote:
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CMDTAPE - Wish me luck, I'm going in....
开云体育Keep getting annoyed by CMDTAPE asking for tapes, so I started poking around the source code on SYSU.?? Now its all messed up because I gave it a mislabeled tape and it demands that I “call a systems programmer”. ? Looks like Boettner wrote it in assembler. ?I used to know that stuff in my sleep when I was an MTS hacker back in the 1980’s, but I’m rusty now and have to get back up to speed. ? My pie in the sky goal is to rewrite it in PLUS, if possible. Doing it more to re-acquire my skills than anything else. ? Any tips or pointers would be appreciated. |
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Re: MTS d6.0A crashes on Hercules 4.5
On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 08:58 PM, Fish Fish wrote:
Providing such information will allow us to tell whether the problem is a Hercules bug or an MTS bug.I can run MTS 6.0A fine with SDL Hercules 4.5.0.10830-SDL-g58578601 on my iMac (check it out on the attached log file). However, I don't face a problem with the stats tape, so I don't know what would happen in that case. Cheers, Rene FERLAND, Montreal |
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Re: MTS d6.0A crashes on Hercules 4.5
Mike Alexander wrote:
[...] Or, assuming it's a program interrupt of some sort, youWhich is precisely why I asked to see his Hercules logfile. AND his configuration file. AND where he downloaded his guest from, instructions for how to reproduce/recreate the problem, etc... Basically all the standard things we ask for as documented in our "SUBMITTING PROBLEM REPORTS" document: * Providing such information will allow us to tell whether the problem is a Hercules bug or an MTS bug. And the FIRST step is always creating a GitHub Issue for the problem, proving as much *detailed* information as possible (as documented in the URL above). -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@... |
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Re: MTS d6.0A crashes on Hercules 4.5
开云体育This sounds like a "super dump" which is the MTS equivalent of a kernel panic. There may be some incompatibility between that version of Hercules and D6 MTS. If you can figure out how to create a labeled tape (either in MTS or elsewhere) you can get a superdump and send it to me. If it's something simple I might be able to figure out the immediate cause of the crash. The dump tape needs to be a tape with standard IBM labels. The volume name should be "DUMPnn" where "nn" is any two characters, normally digits. The tape file may be large so it would be best to ZIP it or put it on a shared folder like Dropbox. Or, assuming it's a program interrupt of some sort, you could use the tools built in to Hercules to see what it is. This might give us a hint. I'm not really promising anything, some super dumps are difficult to figure out and I can't put too much time into this. Mike On 12 Dec 2022, at 18:20, John Palmer wrote:
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Re: MTS d6.0A crashes on Hercules 4.5
John Palmer wrote:
Anyone using Hercules 4.5 yet?Many of us are. But not very many of us are running MTS of course! When I run the standard distribution (i.e the Hercules.cnfTHAT'S not good. :( All session freeze, the console goes blank except for aMount the dump tape? Is that an MTS thing? Or are you maybe referring to the message that Hercules itself issues whenever it crashes? IN ANY CASE, please goto: and create a new GitHub Issue for this problem. PLEASE try to provide as much detailed information as possible, including your COMPLETE Hercules configuration file as well as your COMPLETE Hercules logfile. Also helpful would be the specific version of the guest operating system you are using (which I presume is MTS d6.0A? Yes? Where can it be downloaded from? Thanks) and whatever logfile it might provide. Also helpful would be your configure/make log if you built Hercules yourself. Basically anything you can think of that might be helpful in recreating/troubleshooting the problem. The more detailed information the better. Thanks. -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@... |
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MTS d6.0A crashes on Hercules 4.5
开云体育Anyone using Hercules 4.5 yet? ? When I run the standard distribution (i.e the Hercules.cnf file that was provided with d6.0A), the system appears to crash whenever it requests that the stats tape be mounted. ? All session freeze, the console goes blank except for a request to mount the DUMP tape. ? ? |
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Re: Hello from new user.
开云体育Thanks: Getting this when compiling on CentOS 7: ? /usr/local/src/hercules-helper-master/hyperion/machdep.h:715: multiple definition of `fetch_hw_noswap' .libs/codepage.o:/usr/local/src/hercules-helper-master/hyperion/machdep.h:715: first defined here .libs/machdep.o: In function `store_hw_noswap': ? Lot of these kinds of errors – seems a bunch of these are defined multiple times – some #if statements in the code are both firing when only one should. ? ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Wade
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 23:38 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] Hello from new user. ? John, I hope this helps… ?
If you use the Hercules Helper it should build on Linux. I think the latest 3.xx which you can install by APT or whatever will be fine for MTS ?
? Dave G4UGM ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Palmer ? Hi – I was a student at Wayne State University in the 1980’s and used MTS quite a bit. ? I noticed that there haven’t been many posts lately – I know people are probably busy and don’t have much time for work on MTS stuff. ? Just have a few questions: ?
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Re: Hello from new user.
开云体育Thanks for your work on this Mike. ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mike Alexander
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2022 17:27 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] Hello from new user. ? I can add a bit to this. I have both FTP and Telnet working in my copy of MTS and Hercules. Unfortunately this requires both changes to Hercules and the 1996 version of MTS, neither of which is generally available. I really hope to do something about this soon. To do so I need to finish up the Hercules changes and get them integrated into the Hyperion version of Hercules. I (or I hope we) also need to clean up the 1996 version of MTS so it can be released. By the way, Hyperion is definitely not a .NET program. It's written almost entirely in C. I think we have permission to include Confer in the 1996 version of MTS. If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me. Mike On 29 Nov 2022, at 0:38, Dave Wade wrote:
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Re: Hello from new user.
Hi: Seems good news :) Paco On Fri, 2 Dec 2022 at 00:27, Mike Alexander <mta@...> wrote:
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Re: Hello from new user.
开云体育I can add a bit to this. I have both FTP and Telnet working in my copy of MTS and Hercules. Unfortunately this requires both changes to Hercules and the 1996 version of MTS, neither of which is generally available. I really hope to do something about this soon. To do so I need to finish up the Hercules changes and get them integrated into the Hyperion version of Hercules. I (or I hope we) also need to clean up the 1996 version of MTS so it can be released. By the way, Hyperion is definitely not a .NET program. It's written almost entirely in C. I think we have permission to include Confer in the 1996 version of MTS. If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me. Mike On 29 Nov 2022, at 0:38, Dave Wade wrote:
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Re: Hello from new user.
开云体育John, I hope this helps… ?
If you use the Hercules Helper it should build on Linux. I think the latest 3.xx which you can install by APT or whatever will be fine for MTS ?
? Dave G4UGM ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Palmer
Sent: 28 November 2022 22:39 To: [email protected] Subject: [H390-MTS] Hello from new user. ? Hi – I was a student at Wayne State University in the 1980’s and used MTS quite a bit. ? I noticed that there haven’t been many posts lately – I know people are probably busy and don’t have much time for work on MTS stuff. ? Just have a few questions: ?
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Hello from new user.
开云体育Hi – I was a student at Wayne State University in the 1980’s and used MTS quite a bit. ? I noticed that there haven’t been many posts lately – I know people are probably busy and don’t have much time for work on MTS stuff. ? Just have a few questions: ?
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René Ferland
