On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 02:14 PM, Doug Wegscheid wrote:

I put it to the files section of this group; it chews up a bit of our 1GB allocation, but I think it's important enough to warrant the dent in the DASD budget.

I did not put it up; I suspect that members can't upload files (Dave Wade? yes/no?).

Can someone with the appropriate permissions copy it up (possibly with the PDF I made?)

On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 06:55:57PM +0100, Dave Wade wrote:

These are the original distributions, There was a D6.0A.zip which contains
ready to run Hercules disk images and files

I've put a copy of d6.0a.zip at:



I can remove it quickly if there are any objections to it being there.


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What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.

Ha. Even better: the PDF had a link in it pointing to D6.0A.ZIP in google.drive.

I put it to the files section of this group; it chews up a bit of our 1GB allocation, but I think it's important enough to warrant the dent in the DASD budget.

Bitsavers and deepblue have all the tape distributions, but not D6.0A (which is the one that is ready to rock'n'roll under Hercules).

I took the D6.0A media, configuration, and PDF of an old MTS Q&A page and put them up to as a stopgap. We'll find out if my ISP meant it when they said "There are no set limits on the disk space or data transfer (bandwidth) that we provide in our hosting plans."

All the MTS archive sites appear to have gone.

> Can MTS still be downloaded?

The Wayback Machine has the archive site:



De

On Sun, 20 Aug 2023, at 18:14, Dave Wade wrote:

All the MTS archive sites appear to have gone.

Can MTS still be downloaded?

Theres files at:

and:

(but knowing nothing at all about MTS until about two hours ago I have no idea
if any of these are usable) which I found from the links under "Distribution" at



in the sentence "Today, complete materials from the six full and
the ten partial MTS distributions as well as from two redistributions
created between 1968 and 1988 are available from the Bitsavers
Software archive[122][123] and from the University of Michigan's
Deep Blue digital archive.[124][125]"

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I'm using SDL Hercules built from GIT, but I haven't updated in a while. I'm not sure what version it corresponds to. I'm running it on a Mac. I haven't tried plain vanilla D6 in this environment.

Mike

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On Aug 1, 2023, at 8:56 PM, John Palmer <jpalmer@...> wrote:
For what it’s worth, I’m able to run MTS 6.0a without a problem on a Mac Studio (M1 Ultra) using the SDL version of Hercules 4.7.0 built using Hercules-Helper. Here’s some more version info:

Just out of curiosity, to which version of Hercules are you adding HIM support and what system do you develop on?

Have you tried SDL 4.x (any SDL version) with the standard d6.0a? I can get it to IPL on 4.5 on a CentOS Linux system, but it crashes anywhere from 10 mins to 2 hours. I tried changing the IODELAY on David Trout's suggestion on the NetBSD system with 4.6 and that didn't do any good.

The old 3.13 installed on NetBSD 9.3 seems to work ok.

Mike - it dies exactly the same way on the standard d6.0 system as well as the one that I have been running for awhile, which started out as the standard d6.0 system.

On 25 Jul 2023, at 17:55, John Palmer wrote:

HHC00801I Processor CP00: Protection exception interruption code 0004 ilc 4
HHC02324I PSW=070D100000164324 INST=42609011???? STC?? 6,17(0,9)????????????? store_character

I would need a map of the system you are running to see exactly where that PGNT is happening. It should be in SEG2:S2MAP on that system if you could ever get it up long enough to see it. If it's the standard D6.0 system you got from us we should have a copy of the map somewhere too.

However, the PGNT is a problem state interrupt which should not cause a SuperDump directly. It may or may not be an expected interrupt. MTS often tests an address by poking at it and seeing ig it gets a PGNT. Such PGNTs are not unexpected.

Mike

On 26 Jul 2023, at 0:18, John Palmer wrote:

Mike - are you on the Hercules-390 group? We found an issue, but not sure if
its MTS or Hercules setting. Wondering what base version you are working
with.

Yes, but I've been out of town and am behind on EMail.

As I said previously that PGNT probably isn't the cause of your SuperDump. It may or may not be a real error, but regardless it shouldn't bring the system down.

Mike

Mike - are you on the Hercules-390 group? We found an issue, but not sure if
its MTS or Hercules setting. Wondering what base version you are working
with.

See message below.

I updated the config based on another MTS user but am still getting that
error.

I'll keep working on it. Thanks for the suggestions.

John

Kevin,

Or for SDL
Hercules

Chris
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On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 18:11:17 -0500
"Kevin Monceaux" <Kevin@...> wrote:

On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 04:55:33PM -0500, John Palmer wrote:

I posted the cnf file on the Hercules 390 group. I'm guessing some settings
changed between 3.13 and 4.5.

There's no need to guess. This page:



documents the deprecated and new parameters for Hercules 4.x configuration
files.



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Bruceville, TX

What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.

On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 04:55:33PM -0500, John Palmer wrote:

I posted the cnf file on the Hercules 390 group. I'm guessing some settings
changed between 3.13 and 4.5.

There's no need to guess. This page:



documents the deprecated and new parameters for Hercules 4.x configuration
files.



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Bruceville, TX

What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.

John,

There are differences between the cnf file for hercules 4.5 and hercules
3.13

My 4.5 cnf file (windows) is as follows:-

====================================================================================================

#########################################
# Hercules emulator configuration file #
# Version AN302 (30 January 2012) #
# A template for use with MTS D6.0A #
#########################################

# Adjust this template for use in your own environment

# You'll need to put the D6 files in the right places.

# For D6.0, but not for D6.0A you need to create a
# 3380 disk image before you start using something
# similar to:
# dasdinit -z -a mts600.dsk 3380-1 MTS600

# In general the Hercules device configuration needs to
# match or at least be a subset of the D6.0 version
# of TABLES as described in the following list from
# the D6.0-NEWSYS.txt writeup:
#
# Device Type Address Device name
# ----------- --------- -----------
#
# 3287 0000 PTR1
# 3270 0001-0007 DS01-DS07
# 3270 (in D5.0) 0009 CON1
# 1052 (in D6.0A) 0009 CON1
#
# 2540R 000C RDR1
# 2540P 000D PCH1
# 1403 000E PTR2
#
# 3270 001F CON2
#
# 3287 0100 PTR3
# 3270 0101-011F DS21-DS3F
# 3420 0180-018F T900-T90F
#
# 3330 0200-020F D100-D10F
# 3350 0220-022F D200-D20F
# 3370 0240-024F D300-D30F
# 3380 0260-026F D400-D40F
#
# 3420 0C70 T920
#
# 9335 0D00-0D03 D500-D503
# 9335 0E00-0E03 D600-D603

ARCHLVL ESA/390 # includes 370-XA (MTS architecture code "MP")
CODEPAGE 819/037
SHCMDOPT ENABLE NODIAG8
HTTP PORT 8041 NOAUTH
HTTP START
CPUSERIAL 000735
CPUMODEL 3090
CPUVERID FF # the value FF here causes MTS to bypass
# its reguests to set the TOD clock
MAINSIZE 128
XPNDSIZE 0
PANTITLE "MTS 6.0A"

# Adjust the following two values for your local configuration
# MTS does support operation on multi-CPU configurations with
# (in theory) up to 32 processors, although 6 processors is likely
# the maximum number ever used in "real life".

NUMCPU 1
#MAXCPU 1

SYSEPOCH 1900
##TZOFFSET -0000 # MTS uses GMT for its TOD clock
#TZOFFSET +0100 #BST


# YROFFSET is not needed for the D6.0A or D1996.0 versions of MTS.
# For D6.0 uncomment the following parameter.

# YROFFSET -23 # For D6.0, but not D6.0A set the year back to
# avoid time/date rollover issues.
# For D6.0, needs to give dates after D6.0 was
# released in 1988, but before November 1989.

CNSLPORT 3241 # the port that tn3270 sessions will use to connect
OSTAILOR QUIET

###### Device definitions #####

# Display and console devices

# The definition for address 0009 below doesn't match the D6.0
# definition in TABLES, but in D6.0A TABLES is patched to make
# address 0009 a 1052 console/printer and CON1 will be used as
# the MTS Operator's Console log printer with its output directed
# to the Hercules console.

0000 3211 "h:\Hercules\MTS-D6-0A\Prt/PTR1x.txt" lpp=66 fcb=1:4,2:34,3:66,4:19,5:5,6:14,7:54,8:63,10:8,11:1 # PTR1, a 3270 data stream printer
#0000 3211 "h:\Hercules\MTS-D6-0A\Prt/PTR1x.txt" lpp=66 fcb=4:1,34:2,66:3,19:4,5:5,14:6,54:7,63:8,8:10,1:11 print # PTR1, a 3270 data stream printer
0001.7 3270 # DS01 through DS07
0009 1052-C # CON1, comment this line out and
# 0009 3270 # CON1, uncomment this line if you want the
# definition to match the definition
# in the D6.0 version of TABLES
001F 3270 # CON2
0100 3287 # PTR3, a 3270 data stream printer

0101.7 3270 # DS21 through DS27

# Unit record devices

000C 3505 Units/RDR1.txt ascii eof # RDR1
000D 3525 Units/PCH1.txt ascii # PCH1

# Diferent versions of Hercules support different printer options.
# Uncomment one of the following three device definitions for addr 000E.
# The three definitions are listed in order from newest to oldest
# and from best to worst in terms of functionality.
# The fcb= option defines the MTS printer carriage control tape.
# The nofcbcheck option supresses errors (command reject) when
# a skip to an undefined printer carriage tape channel is used.
# If the third (last) option is used, errors will result when
# HASP tries to print its head and tail sheets on the printer,
# effectively making HASP printing unusable.

#000E 1403 Units/PTR2.txt lpp=66 fcb=1:11,4:1,5:5,8:10,14:6,19:4,24:7,34:2,44:6,49:4,54:7,63:8,66:3 optprint # PTR2
#000E 1403 Units/PTR2.txt lpp=66 fcb=4:1,34:2,66:3,19:4,5:5,14:6,54:7,63:8,8:10,1:11 optprint # PTR2
#000E 1403 "h:\Hercules\MTS-D6-0A\Prt/PTR2x.txt" lpp=66 fcb=4:1,34:2,66:3,19:4,5:5,14:6,54:7,63:8,8:10,1:11 print # PTR2
000E 1403 "h:\Hercules\MTS-D6-0A\Prt/PTR2x.txt" lpp=66 cctape=(4=1,34=2,66=3,19=4,5=5,14=6,54=7,63=8,8=10,1=11) # PTR2
#000E 1403 Units/PTR2.txt lpp=60 fcb=1:11,4:1,5:5,8:10,14:6,19:4,24:7,34:2,44:6,49:4,54:7,63:8,66:3 optprint # PTR2
# 000E 1403 Units/PTR2.txt nofcbcheck # PTR2
# 000E 1403 Units/PTR2.txt # PTR2

# Tapes

# These ten tape definitions are not required for D6.0A
# and may be commented out.

0180 3420 Tapes/d6.0util.aws ro # T900, D6.0 utilities tape
0181 3420 Tapes/d6.0dr1.aws ro # T901, D6.0 IPLable dump/restore tape #1
0182 3420 Tapes/d6.0dr2.aws ro # T902, D6.0 dump/restore tape #2
0183 3420 Tapes/d6.0dr3.aws ro # T903, D6.0 dump/restore tape #3
0184 3420 Tapes/d6.0t1.aws ro # T904, *FS D6.0 distribution tapes #1
0185 3420 Tapes/d6.0t2.aws ro # T905, " #2
0186 3420 Tapes/d6.0t3.aws ro # T906, " #3
0187 3420 Tapes/d6.0t4.aws ro # T907, " #4
0188 3420 Tapes/d6.0t5.aws ro # T908, " #5
0189 3420 Tapes/d6.0t6.aws ro # T909, " #6
018A 3420 Tapes/cmd001.aws # T90A, a CMDSTAT tape for use by *DWB

# Devices 018B through 018F and 0C70 (T90B to T90F and T920) are defined
# as 9TP (3420) tape drives in TABLES and so could be defined here

# Disk(s)

# Shadow files (sf=) won't be used until the Hercules command "sf+"
# is issued, unless the shadow file already exists or the base and
# shadow files are read-only in which case a new shadow file will
# be created.

0260 3380 "h:/hercules/MTS-D6-0A/Disks/mts600.dsk" ro sf="h:/hercules/MTS-D6-0A/Disks/Shadows/mts600_*.dsk" # D400

# D6.0 and D6.0A of MTS support single density (3380-1), but not
# double density (3380-2) or triple density (3380-3), 3380 disks.

# New 3380 disks need to be initialized using dasdinit's -a option
# so that the alternate tracks are included. For example:
# dasdinit -z -a mts600.dsk 3380-1 MTS600

# Devices 0200-020F (D100-D10F), 0220-022F (D200-D20F),
# 0240-024F (D300-D30F) and 0261-026F (D401-D40F) are
# defined as 3330, 3350, 3370, and 3380 disks and so
# copuld be defined here.

# Devices 0D00-0D03 (D500-D503) and 0E00-0E03 (D600-D603) are defined
# as 9335 disks in the D6.0 and D6.0A TABLES, but there are bugs in
# the D6.0 and D6.0A 9335 support, so these devices can't be used.

# END

====================================================================================================


Chris
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On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 16:55:33 -0500
"John Palmer" <jpalmer@...> wrote:

I'll try this evening, but just actually got some info on the hercules
console:



/00000 16:41:16 ** UMMPS/XA ** assembled 04/19/88

/00000 16:41:16 CONFIG CPU 0000 online

/00001 16:41:16 INIT Time and date have been set to 16:41:16 on
07-25-23.

/00002 16:41:16 OPERATOR Started at 16:41:16 on 07-25-23 Model 3090
Serial 010611

/00002 16:41:16 OPERATOR Using display DS01 & printer CON1 (1052)

HHC00107I Starting thread cckd_writer(), active=0, started=0, max=2

HHC00100I Thread id 00006faf0aaee000, prio 1, name 'cckd_writer thread 1'
started

/00004 16:41:18 MTS Current time of 16:41 Tue Jul 25 is more than 12
hours later than

HHC00801I Processor CP00: Protection exception interruption code 0004 ilc 4

HHC02324I PSW=070D100000164324 INST=42609011 STC 6,17(0,9)
store_character

HHC02326I V:00000011:R:0000000000000011:K:0E=000000 00000000 033D2000
0001CE2A 07 ................

HHC02269I GR00=00000018 GR01=00166780 GR02=00166254 GR03=F560F2F3

HHC02269I GR04=00000000 GR05=00000000 GR06=FFFFFFF2 GR07=00000000

HHC02269I GR08=00036A60 GR09=00000000 GR10=00162D18 GR11=00163D18

HHC02269I GR12=00165EC8 GR13=8016421E GR14=80164302 GR15=00000000

HHC02271I CR00=18B0FE40 CR01=0012D000 CR02=00000000 CR03=FFFF0000

HHC02271I CR04=00000000 CR05=00000000 CR06=70000000 CR07=00000000

HHC02271I CR08=000000FF CR09=00000000 CR10=00000000 CR11=00000000

HHC02271I CR12=000B3F1D CR13=00000000 CR14=1F000000 CR15=00000000



It seems to be trying to craft a message to display the last IPL time. I'm
assuming that maybe register 9 should have a value in it, but maybe not.

Also, Hercules doesn't like ARCHMODE ESA/390 and it has the wrong serial
number (010611 rather than the 000611 in the cnf file).



I posted the cnf file on the Hercules 390 group. I'm guessing some settings
changed between 3.13 and 4.5.



Thanks

John







From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mike Alexander
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2023 15:06
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MTS] Question about the availability of several things



On 21 Jul 2023, at 22:23, John Palmer wrote:

I'll try to get the super-dump to a tape file, it keeps rejecting the tape
drive designation. Do I need to initialize it somehow other than the
hercules devint command?

Yes, dump tapes must be labeled tapes with a volume name starting with DUMP.
You can label the tape using MTS or some other operating system or you can
use the lbltp command line program. See
<> lbltp. It should work in most
Unix-like systems or in Windows.

Mike

PS: I tried to send this earlier but it didn't seem to get sent. Sorry if
you get two copies.