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DOS/VS Program Product SPM?

Shawn Goodin All Messages By This Member #546 I distinctly remember using a product called SPM (Source Program Maintenance?) when I worked in a DOS/VS Rel 34 shop between 1977 and 1979.? It was a full-screen 3270 editor, similar to SPF. I don't think I've ever seen it mentioned here.? Does anyone have any info or fills?? I sort of doubt that it's available but it never hurts to ask. Shawn Goodin
Jay Maynard All Messages By This Member #547 It was a CICS package that would also run on VS1, but not MVS. I suspect it might have evolved into ICCF, but I have nothing more than belief to back that up. And I'd be very surprised if a copy has survived. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 3:14?PM Shawn Goodin <k4rsg@...> wrote: I distinctly remember using a product called SPM (Source Program Maintenance?) when I worked in a DOS/VS Rel 34 shop between 1977 and 1979.? It was a full-screen 3270 editor, similar to SPF. I don't think I've ever seen it mentioned here.? Does anyone have any info or fills?? I sort of doubt that it's available but it never hurts to ask. Shawn Goodin -- Jay Maynard
Mark Waterbury All Messages By This Member #548 From what I dimly recall, the "on-line" version that ran under CICS/VS was called "SPMOL" or "SPM/OL" for "Source Program Maintenance On-Line". I found this: ? ?? Someone else remembers "SPM/OL"... it was an "edit and submit" type of tool, perhaps reminiscent of CRJE? In those days, circa 1980, Pansophic Systems Inc. had a competing product called "PVOL" for "PanValet On-Line" that ran under CICS/VS on either DOS/VS or OS/VS. Hope that helps? Mark S. Waterbury
DeWayne Thomas All Messages By This Member #549 开云体育 I remember SPM/OL? pretty well.? Used it on CICS 1.3 and DOS/VS R34.? All of us in apps and systems modified our source that way.? It had several quirks, one being that multiple people could edit the same source member at the same time.? When you committed a change, you were only committing the changes you could see on your screen.? As soon as you scrolled to the next page, the previous page was written to disk.? As a systems programmer, I used to have a lot of fun taking advantage of that little bit of info. DeWayne On 3/17/24 17:37, Mark Waterbury wrote: toggle quoted message Show quoted text >From what I dimly recall, the "on-line" version that ran under CICS/VS was called "SPMOL" or "SPM/OL" for "Source Program Maintenance On-Line". I found this: ? ?? Someone else remembers "SPM/OL"... it was an "edit and submit" type of tool, perhaps reminiscent of CRJE? In those days, circa 1980, Pansophic Systems Inc. had a competing product called "PVOL" for "PanValet On-Line" that ran under CICS/VS on either DOS/VS or OS/VS. Hope that helps? Mark S. Waterbury
Steve Shepherd All Messages By This Member #550 Oh yes, I remember "Source Program Maintenance Online"; I think it was a Field Developed Program. I promoted its use in the Programming Department as we were having enormous losses of productivity sending card decks between towns only for them to fail with syntax errors.? I installed it at our DOS/VS r34 CICS installation and become a hero :-) The decks containing COBOL source and JCL were dispatched through CICS to Power/VS and into the background partition. I can't recollect what happened to LST and PUN output though (memory failing me...) ??
Jay Maynard All Messages By This Member #551 The VS1 version, at least, allowed browsing the JES SPOOL. I know this because the programmers at my first systems job had been using SPMOL?and missed that functionality when we moved from VM and VS1 to MVS. I wound up writing a CICS port of the TSO QUEUE command to give them that capability. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 10:34?AM Steve Shepherd <cityarchitect@...> wrote: Oh yes, I remember "Source Program Maintenance Online"; I think it was a Field Developed Program. I promoted its use in the Programming Department as we were having enormous losses of productivity sending card decks between towns only for them to fail with syntax errors.? I installed it at our DOS/VS r34 CICS installation and become a hero :-) The decks containing COBOL source and JCL were dispatched through CICS to Power/VS and into the background partition. I can't recollect what happened to LST and PUN output though (memory failing me...) ?? -- Jay Maynard
Tony Harminc All Messages By This Member #552 On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 at 11:54, Jay Maynard <jaymaynard@...> wrote: The VS1 version, at least, allowed browsing the JES SPOOL. I know this because the programmers at my first systems job had been using SPMOL?and missed that functionality when we moved from VM and VS1 to MVS. I wound up writing a CICS port of the TSO QUEUE command to give them that capability. I'm surprised - maybe impressed? - that such a program could browse the SPOOL in VS1, because the VS1 JES (sometimes informally called JES1 or JES0) was unlike JES2 not source maintained, and was more like an improvement to make the old OS/360 approach perform better, but wasn't a major rearchitecting.? Back when I was young and foolish (now I'm old and maybe slightly less foolish) I thought it would be nice to add Internal Reader support to VS1. I spent a long time reading fiche, and even ordered up the optional source, but of course it was mostly in PL/S and would've involved a lot of ZAPs to call new routines. WIth hindsight it was a stupid idea because it wouldn't have been maintainable. Ah - maybe you're talking about running the SVS HASP that was ported to VS1...? Tony H. On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 10:34?AM Steve Shepherd <cityarchitect@...> wrote: Oh yes, I remember "Source Program Maintenance Online"; I think it was a Field Developed Program. I promoted its use in the Programming Department as we were having enormous losses of productivity sending card decks between towns only for them to fail with syntax errors.? I installed it at our DOS/VS r34 CICS installation and become a hero :-) The decks containing COBOL source and JCL were dispatched through CICS to Power/VS and into the background partition. I can't recollect what happened to LST and PUN output though (memory failing me...) ?? -- Jay Maynard
Jay Maynard All Messages By This Member #553 Could have been the SVS HASP port...I joined the systems group after the VS1 to MVS migration, and never really interacted with VS1 at all. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 1:00?PM Tony Harminc <tharminc@...> wrote: On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 at 11:54, Jay Maynard <jaymaynard@...> wrote: The VS1 version, at least, allowed browsing the JES SPOOL. I know this because the programmers at my first systems job had been using SPMOL?and missed that functionality when we moved from VM and VS1 to MVS. I wound up writing a CICS port of the TSO QUEUE command to give them that capability. I'm surprised - maybe impressed? - that such a program could browse the SPOOL in VS1, because the VS1 JES (sometimes informally called JES1 or JES0) was unlike JES2 not source maintained, and was more like an improvement to make the old OS/360 approach perform better, but wasn't a major rearchitecting.? Back when I was young and foolish (now I'm old and maybe slightly less foolish) I thought it would be nice to add Internal Reader support to VS1. I spent a long time reading fiche, and even ordered up the optional source, but of course it was mostly in PL/S and would've involved a lot of ZAPs to call new routines. WIth hindsight it was a stupid idea because it wouldn't have been maintainable. Ah - maybe you're talking about running the SVS HASP that was ported to VS1...? Tony H. On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 10:34?AM Steve Shepherd <cityarchitect@...> wrote: Oh yes, I remember "Source Program Maintenance Online"; I think it was a Field Developed Program. I promoted its use in the Programming Department as we were having enormous losses of productivity sending card decks between towns only for them to fail with syntax errors.? I installed it at our DOS/VS r34 CICS installation and become a hero :-) The decks containing COBOL source and JCL were dispatched through CICS to Power/VS and into the background partition. I can't recollect what happened to LST and PUN output though (memory failing me...) ?? -- Jay Maynard -- Jay Maynard

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