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Hello List. ? My name is? Manuel, we are running zVSE Hercules, and when run a? VTAPE job to restore a .AWS file using VTAPE Server, got this msg:  ?Our architecture is: ? One Windows Server running HercGUI with? zVSE 4.3 flavor, and VTAPE Server resides on same server ?? Thnks in advance ? Best regards
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Manuel wrote: Hello List.
My name is Manuel, we are running zVSE Hercules, and when run
a VTAPE job to restore a .AWS file using VTAPE Server, got this
msg:
TAPE DATA HANDLER INITIALIZATION FAILED
Our architecture is:
One Windows Server running HercGUI with zVSE 4.3 flavor, and VTAPE
Server resides on same server Your problem report sucks. No mention of which version of z/VSE you are running. No mention of which version of Hercules you are running. No Hercules logfile provided. No Hercules configuration file provided. No JCL of VSE jobs that were submitted. No VSE log provided (and NO, screen grabs are NOT good enough). Etc. Your problem report basically consists of "When I tried to do something with VTAPE, it didn't work! HELP!". Absolutely pitiful. Is this the kind of problem report you would submit to IBM? No? Then why do you think such problem report would be acceptable to us? Here's the only help you're going to get from me, obtained after spending about 30 seconds Googling: * (Sorry folks, but I'm tired of this shit.) -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
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Hello! Not necessary to apologize Fish, I'm getting tired of them as well. Manuel there's one thing that all of us can appreciate, and that is providing a complete report, this includes what version of zVSE your system is running, it says zVSE 4.3 but it does not include any final release numbers. Also how was VTAPE configured, and how was Hercules setup. The deliberately rude gentleman was I believe the author of VTAPE, so, he has a right to be that rude. Please resubmit your problem with everything I've suggested, and we'll be able to go on from there. Or not. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@... "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 10:39?PM Fish Fish <david.b.trout@...> wrote:
Manuel wrote:
Hello List.
My name is Manuel, we are running zVSE Hercules, and when run
a VTAPE job to restore a .AWS file using VTAPE Server, got this
msg:
TAPE DATA HANDLER INITIALIZATION FAILED
Our architecture is:
One Windows Server running HercGUI with zVSE 4.3 flavor, and VTAPE
Server resides on same server Your problem report sucks.
No mention of which version of z/VSE you are running.
No mention of which version of Hercules you are running.
No Hercules logfile provided.
No Hercules configuration file provided.
No JCL of VSE jobs that were submitted.
No VSE log provided (and NO, screen grabs are NOT good enough).
Etc.
Your problem report basically consists of "When I tried to do something with VTAPE, it didn't work! HELP!".
Absolutely pitiful.
Is this the kind of problem report you would submit to IBM? No? Then why do you think such problem report would be acceptable to us?
Here's the only help you're going to get from me, obtained after spending about 30 seconds Googling:
*
(Sorry folks, but I'm tired of this shit.)
--
"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories
mail: fish@...
This space intentionally left blank to honor the blank plague despite the two thousand or so years since it last affected the important people of Gallifrey.
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Gregg Levine wrote: [...] The deliberately rude gentleman was I believe the author
of VTAPE, so, he has a right to be that rude. If you're referring to me, then you are dead wrong, Gregg. I had (and have) absolutely nothing to do with VTAPE. As far as I know, z/VSE VTAPE (Virtual Tape) support is an IBM invention, first introduced with z/VSE 4.1 I believe, which was released sometime around 2007: * I am not the author of Hercules's virtual tape support either (.AWS, .HET, etc), nor am I the author of the .AWS file format. Once again, I believe IBM invented the .AWS virtual tape file format. The only thing related to virtual tape that I am the author of is my AWSBrowse product: * Manuel first contacted me directly, expecting me to help him because he bought some of my software several years ago. I tend to get that a lot, forcing me to politely inform them that I provide support for MY products, but not for Hercules, directing them to the main Hercules support forum and mentioning that we also have additional "more focused" support forums as well (and provide them a link to our Technical Support web page, ). But USUALLY when that happens, the person's original request for help includes a BIT more information than what Manuel provided! The utter dearth of information regarding his environment(*) is what set me off. For the record, I do apologize for my tone, but after putting up with this shit for so many years, it sometimes gets to me and I blow up. I'm human. So sue me. ---------------------- (*) In his original email to me, he didn't mention the version of z/VSE he was using. He just said z/VSE, with no mention of which version. I can see he at least identified in his post to the group what version of z/VSE he was running, but that's hardly enough. -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
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*sigh*
Don't bite the newbies.
I don't speak VSE, so I can't begin to answer the issue myself. And a good bug report is essential in finding the problem. Manuel, the more information you can provide, the better we can do to help out. It's? possible that the problem lies with Hercules, but it's more likely that it's in how your Hercules system - or your VSE - is configured.
Yes, it's sometimes annoying that people ask for help and provide a minimum of information. But nothing?is served by flaming them for it. Guiding them to the information you need to answer the question not only helps them and anyone else who might have the same problem, but also helps the community; more than once I've spoken with folks who tried to use Hercules, ran into a problem, asked about it, got flamed to a crackly crunch, and said the heck with it.
Let's not do that, please?
Gregg Levine wrote:
[...]
> The deliberately rude gentleman was I believe the author
> of VTAPE, so, he has a right to be that rude.
If you're referring to me, then you are dead wrong, Gregg. I had (and have) absolutely nothing to do with VTAPE. As far as I know, z/VSE VTAPE (Virtual Tape) support is an IBM invention, first introduced with z/VSE 4.1 I believe, which was released sometime around 2007:
? *
I am not the author of Hercules's virtual tape support either (.AWS, .HET, etc), nor am I the author of the .AWS file format. Once again, I believe IBM invented the .AWS virtual tape file format.
The only thing related to virtual tape that I am the author of is my AWSBrowse product:
? *
Manuel first contacted me directly, expecting me to help him because he bought some of my software several years ago. I tend to get that a lot, forcing me to politely inform them that I provide support for MY products, but not for Hercules, directing them to the main Hercules support forum and mentioning that we also have additional "more focused" support forums as well (and provide them a link to our Technical Support web page, ).
But USUALLY when that happens, the person's original request for help includes a BIT more information than what Manuel provided! The utter dearth of information regarding his environment(*) is what set me off.
For the record, I do apologize for my tone, but after putting up with this shit for so many years, it sometimes gets to me and I blow up.
I'm human. So sue me.
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(*) In his original email to me, he didn't mention the version of z/VSE he was using. He just said z/VSE, with no mention of which version. I can see he at least identified in his post to the group what version of z/VSE he was running, but that's hardly enough.
--
"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories
mail: fish@...
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? Morning.
? Sorry All, I recognizes my thread was very very poor.
? Before sent it, I reviewed all posts? and don't find nothing similar my issue (restore job using VTAPE don't work) , then I sent this, but,, , (w/o words).
? Therefore thks Srs.
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Manuel, can you give us more information? We saw the one message. Were there other messages put out when you tried it? Do you have the proper configuration in VSE? Can you show us how you configured VTAPE support in VSE? I don't think that Hercules needs any configuration for VTAPE support in VSE, but I could easily be wrong, too.
? Morning.
? Sorry All, I recognizes my thread was very very poor.
? Before sent it, I reviewed all posts? and don't find nothing similar my issue (restore job using VTAPE don't work) , then I sent this, but,, , (w/o words).
? Therefore thks Srs.
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*sigh*
Don't bite the newbies.
And especially,? I suspect someone who's first language is not English.
Being able to converse in english-as-a-second-language (ESL)? is a feat in itself.
Then trying to use a foreign?language to describe a "foreign"? hardware / software system, is a real adventure.
It's often hard to even look for? / as for help as you don't even know what? you are looking for? (terminlogy?etc).
Many times when I've started something new? (Unreal Engine at the moment), when trying to accomplish something, I? might ask a question, only to be quickly / tersely returned? some new? term.? ? Searching for THAT term / word / will then eventually lead to more relevant info.
With zVse, in particular,? there is little documentation?out there, compared to mvs /? z/os, which only makes it harder.
I've toyed with it a bit,? but I found it much more difficult to "navigate", do simple things like even "list your files", compared to vMr6 (the easiest), or mvs (more archaic with it's? LISTCAT etc)?
"Simple things",? like mounting tapes / devices,? attaching devices,? even using operator commands are not easily found.
Mike ? I don't speak VSE, so I can't begin to answer the issue myself. And a good bug report is essential in finding the problem. Manuel, the more information you can provide, the better we can do to help out. It's? possible that the problem lies with Hercules, but it's more likely that it's in how your Hercules system - or your VSE - is configured.
Yes, it's sometimes annoying that people ask for help and provide a minimum of information. But nothing?is served by flaming them for it. Guiding them to the information you need to answer the question not only helps them and anyone else who might have the same problem, but also helps the community; more than once I've spoken with folks who tried to use Hercules, ran into a problem, asked about it, got flamed to a crackly crunch, and said the heck with it.
Let's not do that, please?
Gregg Levine wrote:
[...]
> The deliberately rude gentleman was I believe the author
> of VTAPE, so, he has a right to be that rude.
If you're referring to me, then you are dead wrong, Gregg. I had (and have) absolutely nothing to do with VTAPE. As far as I know, z/VSE VTAPE (Virtual Tape) support is an IBM invention, first introduced with z/VSE 4.1 I believe, which was released sometime around 2007:
? *
I am not the author of Hercules's virtual tape support either (.AWS, .HET, etc), nor am I the author of the .AWS file format. Once again, I believe IBM invented the .AWS virtual tape file format.
The only thing related to virtual tape that I am the author of is my AWSBrowse product:
? *
Manuel first contacted me directly, expecting me to help him because he bought some of my software several years ago. I tend to get that a lot, forcing me to politely inform them that I provide support for MY products, but not for Hercules, directing them to the main Hercules support forum and mentioning that we also have additional "more focused" support forums as well (and provide them a link to our Technical Support web page, ).
But USUALLY when that happens, the person's original request for help includes a BIT more information than what Manuel provided! The utter dearth of information regarding his environment(*) is what set me off.
For the record, I do apologize for my tone, but after putting up with this shit for so many years, it sometimes gets to me and I blow up.
I'm human. So sue me.
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(*) In his original email to me, he didn't mention the version of z/VSE he was using. He just said z/VSE, with no mention of which version. I can see he at least identified in his post to the group what version of z/VSE he was running, but that's hardly enough.
--
"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories
mail: fish@...
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>?
With zVse, in particular,? there is little documentation?out there, compared to mvs /? z/os, which only makes it harder.
And vm / z/Vm? which have much more documentation available.
And to the original question, I've never used VTAPE.
Mike
*sigh*
Don't bite the newbies.
And especially,? I suspect someone who's first language is not English.
Being able to converse in english-as-a-second-language (ESL)? is a feat in itself.
Then trying to use a foreign?language to describe a "foreign"? hardware / software system, is a real adventure.
It's often hard to even look for? / as for help as you don't even know what? you are looking for? (terminlogy?etc).
Many times when I've started something new? (Unreal Engine at the moment), when trying to accomplish something, I? might ask a question, only to be quickly / tersely returned? some new? term.? ? Searching for THAT term / word / will then eventually lead to more relevant info.
With zVse, in particular,? there is little documentation?out there, compared to mvs /? z/os, which only makes it harder.
I've toyed with it a bit,? but I found it much more difficult to "navigate", do simple things like even "list your files", compared to vMr6 (the easiest), or mvs (more archaic with it's? LISTCAT etc)?
"Simple things",? like mounting tapes / devices,? attaching devices,? even using operator commands are not easily found.
Mike ? I don't speak VSE, so I can't begin to answer the issue myself. And a good bug report is essential in finding the problem. Manuel, the more information you can provide, the better we can do to help out. It's? possible that the problem lies with Hercules, but it's more likely that it's in how your Hercules system - or your VSE - is configured.
Yes, it's sometimes annoying that people ask for help and provide a minimum of information. But nothing?is served by flaming them for it. Guiding them to the information you need to answer the question not only helps them and anyone else who might have the same problem, but also helps the community; more than once I've spoken with folks who tried to use Hercules, ran into a problem, asked about it, got flamed to a crackly crunch, and said the heck with it.
Let's not do that, please?
Gregg Levine wrote:
[...]
> The deliberately rude gentleman was I believe the author
> of VTAPE, so, he has a right to be that rude.
If you're referring to me, then you are dead wrong, Gregg. I had (and have) absolutely nothing to do with VTAPE. As far as I know, z/VSE VTAPE (Virtual Tape) support is an IBM invention, first introduced with z/VSE 4.1 I believe, which was released sometime around 2007:
? *
I am not the author of Hercules's virtual tape support either (.AWS, .HET, etc), nor am I the author of the .AWS file format. Once again, I believe IBM invented the .AWS virtual tape file format.
The only thing related to virtual tape that I am the author of is my AWSBrowse product:
? *
Manuel first contacted me directly, expecting me to help him because he bought some of my software several years ago. I tend to get that a lot, forcing me to politely inform them that I provide support for MY products, but not for Hercules, directing them to the main Hercules support forum and mentioning that we also have additional "more focused" support forums as well (and provide them a link to our Technical Support web page, ).
But USUALLY when that happens, the person's original request for help includes a BIT more information than what Manuel provided! The utter dearth of information regarding his environment(*) is what set me off.
For the record, I do apologize for my tone, but after putting up with this shit for so many years, it sometimes gets to me and I blow up.
I'm human. So sue me.
----------------------
(*) In his original email to me, he didn't mention the version of z/VSE he was using. He just said z/VSE, with no mention of which version. I can see he at least identified in his post to the group what version of z/VSE he was running, but that's hardly enough.
--
"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories
mail: fish@...
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Manual, I see that you have z/VSE 4.3. What version of the VTAPE server are you running?
John Imholte
? Morning.
? Sorry All, I recognizes my thread was very very poor.
? Before sent it, I reviewed all posts? and don't find nothing similar my issue (restore job using VTAPE don't work) , then I sent this, but,, , (w/o words).
? Therefore thks Srs.
-- Sincerely,
John Imholte
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Helpful hint for Manuel:
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"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories
mail: fish@...
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Hello!
Fine. I did not know that. But we did (and still do) need more
information to continue. We can leave the rest alone.
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@...
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
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On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 1:47?AM Fish Fish <david.b.trout@...> wrote:
Gregg Levine wrote:
[...]
The deliberately rude gentleman was I believe the author
of VTAPE, so, he has a right to be that rude. If you're referring to me, then you are dead wrong, Gregg. I had (and have) absolutely nothing to do with VTAPE. As far as I know, z/VSE VTAPE (Virtual Tape) support is an IBM invention, first introduced with z/VSE 4.1 I believe, which was released sometime around 2007:
*
I am not the author of Hercules's virtual tape support either (.AWS, .HET, etc), nor am I the author of the .AWS file format. Once again, I believe IBM invented the .AWS virtual tape file format.
The only thing related to virtual tape that I am the author of is my AWSBrowse product:
*
Manuel first contacted me directly, expecting me to help him because he bought some of my software several years ago. I tend to get that a lot, forcing me to politely inform them that I provide support for MY products, but not for Hercules, directing them to the main Hercules support forum and mentioning that we also have additional "more focused" support forums as well (and provide them a link to our Technical Support web page, ).
But USUALLY when that happens, the person's original request for help includes a BIT more information than what Manuel provided! The utter dearth of information regarding his environment(*) is what set me off.
For the record, I do apologize for my tone, but after putting up with this shit for so many years, it sometimes gets to me and I blow up.
I'm human. So sue me.
----------------------
(*) In his original email to me, he didn't mention the version of z/VSE he was using. He just said z/VSE, with no mention of which version. I can see he at least identified in his post to the group what version of z/VSE he was running, but that's hardly enough.
--
"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories
mail: fish@...
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Thks for your time John.
? We use Vtape server 5.1 PM55958. Running on Windows Server 2019.
? I am collecting all information to send it.
? Regards.
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?Hi Jay,,
? We are collecting all information.
? I forget some vse command to punch member from Ollx Vollie and from? VSE Queues,? I am reviewing vse manuals? , in order to FTP them in .TXT format.
? Thk a lot
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You should be using the one that was shipped?in IJSYSRS.SYSLIB for your z/VSE version.
TAPESRVR.Z
Save it as?TAPESRVR.ZIP on your server then unzip.
John
Thks for your time John.
? We use Vtape server 5.1 PM55958. Running on Windows Server 2019.
? I am collecting all information to send it.
? Regards.
-- Sincerely,
John Imholte
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? Jay.
? I become back? with all info regarding this issue.
? Meanwhile we tried several scenarios:
? 1) one little aws
? 2) one big aws
? 3) TAPESRVR with high priority and 400 MB VSE memory
? 4) SET Windows server from 4 cpu cpre to 8? (has 16 GB RAM)
?? Regards
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Hello List.
? Thanks To All, for your advices, tips..
? We have fixed this issue, the problem was zVSE Restore Job using vtape.? We have wrong JCL sentences.
? Winner jos is RESTVT-
? Bad job? is RESTFIL7
? Specifically sentence pointing to VTAPE START was wrong and not necessary.
? Best Regards
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