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VTP Assistance Needed
Hello friends,
I am reposting this request as I noticed Alex replied to a "file upload" notice in 2022 and received no response.? I also posted there and probably shouldn't have. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi Alex & Group, I also had to create an additional VSAM dataspace. I am running DOS/VS as a VM/370 CE guest using Hyperion and HercGUI.? Since I was having problems, I decided to breakup up the INSTALL.JCL into (4) separate jobs.? I had issues running the install jobs but reading the VTP posts, I was able to get past those.? Now when I release the RVTP job and then DIAL, I'm getting (almost) the same results as you. 01 F3 // JOB VTP ? ? ? ? RUN VTP 3.8 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 02 ? ?DATE 06/12/24,CLOCK 16/43/22 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 03 F3 4228I FILE FILE00 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 04 F3 4228I FILE FILE01 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 05 F3 4228I FILE FILE02 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 06 F3 4228I FILE FILE03 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 07 F3 4228I FILE FILE04 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 08 F3 4228I FILE FILE05 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 09 F3 4228I FILE FILE06 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 10 F3 4228I FILE FILE07 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 11 F3 4228I FILE FILE09 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 12 F3 4228I FILE FILE11 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 13 F3 4228I FILE FILE13 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 14 F3 4228I FILE FILE14 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 15 F3 4601I NO FORMAT 1 LABEL FOUND ? ? IJAFILE ?SYS000=361 ?PWRR34 16 F3 0S02I JOB VTP ? ? ?CANCELED DUE TO PROGRAM REQUEST ? ? ? ? ?? 17 F3 EOJ VTP ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 18 ? ?DATE 06/12/24,CLOCK 16/43/23,DURATION 00/00/01 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 19 F1 1Q34I ? F3 WAITING FOR WORK I downloaded the "corrected VTP 3.8" from the Files section and reinstalled using the updated INSTALL.JCL file.? VTP starts up in the F3 partition but when I issue the "DIAL DOSVS 080" command from 3270 session, I get the above error.? Where did I go wrong and what do I do to fix this? BTW, I did an LVTOC on 361 and the IJAFILE is NOT there, so same question: When I try to run VTP itself, I receive an error relating to IJAFILE, which I think is the Power Account file. On my version of George Shedlock's 5 pack system, this file doesn't appear to be there. Does this need to exist for VTP to work ? |
Hi Jim
It's been over 2 years since I looked at this but here is what I can remember. As you noted, I didn't get an answer to my question but given that VTP seemed to be trying to access that file, I assumed that I would need to get it created.? After some research, I discovered that the label information for the IJAFILE did exist in the system even though the file itself wasn't there.? The extent information did point to a free area of the correct size on the PWRR34 volume so I just had to work out how to get it created.? I found that I needed to re-generate POWER with the ACCOUNT option set to YES.? This should turn on accounting and create the file automatically. I decided to generate a new version of POWER and named it POWERA so as not to mess with the existing set up, mainly because I was new to DOS/VS and wasn't very sure about what I was doing.? I then created a new start up deck for POWERA based on what was in the existing POWER.VS.SYSIN.TRACKS file and loaded it through the card reader 00C to start up POWERA. I also encountered another problem with VTP which I eventually tracked down to be an issue with some of the user records which are added to the U000.SECURITY.FILE file by the OSS99 program during the install process.? I found that the records at the start i.e. A000000HERC01 ?CUL8TR ?00100002 A000000HERC02 ?CUL8TR ?00200002 A000000HERC03 ?PASS4U ?00101100 A000000HERC04 ?PASS4U ?00201100 A000000HERC05 ?PASS4U ?00300002 A000000HERC06 ?PASS4U ?00301100 A000000HERC07 ?PASS4U ?00102002 A000000HERC08 ?PASS4U ?00202100 A000000HERC09 ?PASS4U ?00103079* needed to have a leading zero added to the numbers that follow the Userid and Password and I also removed the extra blanks i.e. A000000HERC01 CUL8TR 000100002 A000000HERC02 CUL8TR 000200002 A000000HERC03 PASS4U 000101100 A000000HERC04 PASS4U 000201100 A000000HERC05 PASS4U 000300002 A000000HERC06 PASS4U 000301100 A000000HERC07 PASS4U 000102002 A000000HERC08 PASS4U 000202100 A000000HERC09 PASS4U 000103079* I have to say that when I did eventually get VTP to run and got logged on, I found it quite slow and also the some functions didn't work or caused it to hang or abend.? So I didn't take it any further. I hope that I've remembered this correctly and that it provides you with some assistance going forward. Good luck,? Alex. |
开云体育Hello Alex,?Thanks loads for your help. I shall perform the same steps as you and hopefully get VTP to work.? I'm a little disappointed in your assessment of the slow behavior and errors you encountered. Reading the VTP posts, it seemed to be a good utility.? I’ll update this post with my results and thanks again for responding.? Best regards, Jim ? On Jun 14, 2024, at 6:24?PM, alexsim via groups.io <alexsim@...> wrote:
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Hello Jim,
No problem.? I may have been a little harsh with my criticism.? I was also trying to get SPF working around the same time as VTP and there were some issues with that as well so I may be getting the findings from both mixed up. I had also been running the modified version of the DOS/VS 5 Pack system v1r0m1 at times, so that may have had some bearing. I should say that I was running DOS/VS native as opposed to under VM/370. It will be interesting to see how you get on with it and if I find the time, I may re-visit it with a fresh perspective. All the best,? Alex. |
开云体育Hi Jim!I’m not real sure. I read the posts on groups.io and it seems be some kind of utility. Do a search on VTP and you’ll see what I mean. I want to get it running so I can see for myself! Best regards, Jim Snellen? ? On Jun 16, 2024, at 11:26?AM, Jim Salvino via groups.io <jsalvino@...> wrote:
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开云体育Do a search here on VTP on DOS/VS
5-pack
On 16/06/2024 18:13, Jim Snellen via groups.io wrote: Hi Jim! |
OK! What an interesting trip down memory lane. . .
1. I reassembled the POWER module changing 'ACCOUNT=NO' to 'ACCOUNT=YES' and called it POWERA. 2. I copied POWER SYSIN to POWERA SYSIN and changed '// EXEC POWER' to '// EXEC POWERA' and 'FORMAT=N' to 'FORMAT=A'. 3. I reformatted the input records for ' U000.SECURITY.FILE' and rebuilt the two files? 'U000.SECURITY.FILE' and 'U000.CONTROL.FILE' using? OSS99 and VTPUTIL respectively. 4. Finally, I issued 'R RDR,VTP' and got the following results. 01 F1 1Q34I ?LST WAITING FOR WORK ON 00E ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 02 AR R RDR,VTP ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 03 F1 1R88I ?OK ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 04 F1 1Q47I ? F3 VTP 00151 FROM 000 VTP ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 05 F3 // JOB VTP ? ? ? ? RUN VTP 3.8 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 06 ? ?DATE 06/18/24,CLOCK 15/38/12 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 07 F3 4228I FILE FILE00 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 08 F3 4228I FILE FILE01 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 09 F3 4228I FILE FILE02 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 10 F3 4228I FILE FILE03 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 11 F3 4228I FILE FILE04 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 12 F3 4228I FILE FILE05 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 13 F3 4228I FILE FILE06 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 14 F3 4228I FILE FILE07 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 15 F3 4228I FILE FILE09 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 16 F3 4228I FILE FILE11 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 17 F3 4228I FILE FILE13 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 18 F3 4228I FILE FILE14 ? ? OPEN ?ERROR X'80'(128) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 19 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D000140000002 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 20 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D000140000004 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ** ?MESSAGE REDISPLAY ?BWD ALL=0060 ? ? ? ? ? *** 01 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D000140000006 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 02 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D000140000008 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 03 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D00014000000A ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 04 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D00014000000C ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 05 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D00014000000E ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 06 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D000140000010 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 07 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D000140000012 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 08 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D000140000014 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 09 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D000140000016 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 10 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D000640000018 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 11 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D00014000001C ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 12 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D00014000001E ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 13 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D000140000024 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 14 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D000140000026 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 15 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D0001C000002C ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 16 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D00014000002E ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 17 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D000140000030 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 18 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D000140000032 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 19 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D000140000034 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 20 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D000140000036 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ** ?MESSAGE REDISPLAY ?FWD ALL=0040 ? ? ? ? ? *** 01 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D000140000038 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 02 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D00014000003C ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 03 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D00014000003E ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 04 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D000140000040 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 05 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D000640000042 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 06 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D000640000044 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 07 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D000140000046 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 08 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D000140000048 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 09 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D00014000004A ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 10 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D00014000004E ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 11 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D000140000050 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 12 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D000140000052 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 13 F3 VTPX001 ENTRY-00000000 PSW-073D000180000056 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 14 F3 0S03I PROGRAM CHECK INTERRUPTION - HEX LOCATION 4CC2E0 - ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 15 ? ? ? ? ?CONDITION CODE 2 - ADDRESSING EXCEPTION ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 16 ? ?0S00I JOB VTP ? ? ?CANCELED ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 17 F3 EOJ VTP ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 18 ? ?DATE 06/18/24,CLOCK 15/38/14,DURATION 00/00/01 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 19 F1 1Q34I ? F3 WAITING FOR WORK ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 20 F1 1Q34I ?LST WAITING FOR WORK ON 00E ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ** ?MESSAGE REDISPLAY ?FWD ALL=0020 ? ? ? ? ? *** What are FILE00 thru FILE14? Why am I still crashing? |
On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 06:00 PM, Jim Snellen wrote:
Jim, you are exactly where I was yesterday after spending an entire afternoon trying to make this VTP 3.8 work. I don't know why it behaves like that. However I noticed that the system storage map given in the README does not correspond to the default one of the 5-pack. Also, according to the map, F1 runs a program named POWERV. So I assume the creator of VTP uses a different supervisor and version of POWER on his system. Maybe that plays a role. As a matter of fact, the private library of the previous version, VTP 3.7, contains both the two phases $$A$SUPV and POWERV. I did not tried to restore and use them for this version however. The big question for me is whether or not it is possible to create/edit/submit jobs to POWER with VTP 3.8. The warning "Also be advised, [that version] does not support cross part communications!" seems to suggest the answer is no. If so, the program can be used to explore DOS/VS with an interactive interface, but not really to work with it. It was certainly the case of the previous version. In any case, I feel this "corrected" VTP 3.8 needs more corrections :-) or at least a more complete README (no offense intended). Cheers, René FERLAND, Montréal |
开云体育Greetings Professor, It is so nice to hear from you again.?
I was assuming you were successful in your installation of VTP but now realize you were running version 3.7. I am moderately glad to see you are experiencing the same results. ;-) Perhaps I should downgrade and run version 3.7.? Before my changes, I was able to initiate VTP in F3. It was only after I DIALed that the abends occurred. Now I can’t even start VTP.?
I’m not sure I understand what this means.? Thank you for spending time with this! ? Best regards, Jim |
>> I was assuming you were successful in your installation of VTP but now realize you were
>> running version 3.7. I am moderately glad to see you are experiencing the same results. ;-) I just tried to run VTP 3.8 with supervisor $$A$SUPV and POWERV with no more success. :-( >> Perhaps I should downgrade and run version 3.7. For sure, it is easier to install, and it runs with DOS/VS as a guest under VM/370 (despite the opposite claim in the readme.txt). >> Before my changes, I was able to initiate VTP in F3. It was only >> after I DIALed that the abends occurred. Now I can’t even start VTP. Well, that's too bad :-(? >> The big question for me is whether or not it is possible to create/edit/submit jobs to POWER with VTP 3.8. >> I’m not sure I understand what this means. I meant: can I use VTP 3.8 to create a member of a private source library, which will contain a complete job, and then submit this job to POWER (with a submit command of some kind inside VTP) and check the output in the LST queue (from VTP)? In other words, is VTP 3.8 a reasonable substitute for ICCF? >> Thank you for spending time with this! No problem :-)? Cheers, René FERLAND, Montréal |
Hello Jim and Rene
I still had the directory on my PC containing the DOS/VS system I was playing around with back in 2022 so I thought I would have a look and see if I could bring it up again and try running VTP as I had left it back then. I said previously that I had been running the original DOS/VS 5 pack system and the DOS/VS 5 pack v1r0m1 system at various times so I can't remember what state the disks I have are in.? What I did discover is that VTP seems to work with supervisor $$A$SUPT. This probably came from the v1r0m1 system. The open errors for FILE02 - FILE14 can be ignored as only FILE00 and FILE01 exist. As I said before, I am a DOS/VS novice so I can't be of much help.? My background was MVS etc. Best regards, Alex. |
On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 10:21 AM, René Ferland wrote:
>> The big question for me is whether or not it is possible to create/edit/submit jobs to POWER with VTP 3.8.?Understood.? Having never seen VTP, I can't comment.? However, being an avid ICCF user, I can only hope VTP can be a reasonable substitute. Now my task is to find VTP 3.7!? Any idea where? |
On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 05:38 PM, Jim Snellen wrote:
Hey Jim, I finally got it! Check the attached picture. :-)
What seems to have done the trick is adding the DLBL/EXTENT of the two files (U000.SECURITY.FILE and U000.CONTROL.FILE) to the VTP job. Can you try that and see what happens? Cheers, Rene FERLAND, Montreal |
Professor Ferland,
VOILA! I still get open errors for FILE02 thru FILE14 but I'm up and running! I logged on with HERC01/CUL8TR and was presented with the attached screen. Finally, F3 reports VTP to be version 3.7?? F3 TP003 VTP IS ACTIVE 06/19/24 16.57 AM VER 3.7 WARM Anyway, I now have another toy to play with.? Again, thank you for your assistance and thanks to Alex too! Jim |
On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 07:18 PM, Jim Snellen wrote:
I still get open errors for FILE02 thru FILE14 but I'm up and running!I think that if we provide a DLBL/EXTENT for one of those files, say FILE02, VTP won't complain about it at startup, because it will be able to open it. Of course, the file must exist. However I am not sure what kind of file VTP expects though. Anyway, have fun with VTP 3.8! Cheers, Rene FERLAND, Montreal P.S. -- This is version is 3.8 despite the message. I can see the difference with the 3.7 I know. |
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