Roberto,
I am not sure what you do with your TeraTerm console connection. I just tried it myself and it works perfectly fine.
I changed two settings: Enter will send CR+LF, and local echo is activated. The IPL sequence from the card reader is:
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1) start Hercules;
2) connect your TeraTerm console;
3) in the Hercules console: ipl 280 (Enter)
4) in the Hercules console: devinit 00c jobs/ipl.jcl eof (Enter)
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After that, you should (only) see the 1L02A message?on your TeraTerm console. The system is ready to run jobs.
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Cheers,
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Rene FERLAND, Montreal
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Could it be SET DATE=08/31/2021,CLOCK=12/47/00
I am not certain what the date and time delimiters would be.
Please check out my You Tube channel: ==> dosvsoperator!!!
On Tuesday, August 31, 2021, 11:53:22 AM CDT, Richard Cornwell <rich@...> wrote:
Hi Roberto, ? Not sure what commands you are looking for. BOS is basically a DOS ? system without foreground jobs. Jobs are submitted via the card ? reader, or whatever is declared as SYSIPT. There is some description ? on console commands here: ? ? The console commands are pretty simple, cancel jobs, continue job etc. Rich > > I've see on files a BOS360.zip file uploaded by Ren¨¦ (thanks/mer?i) > and I'm trying it I'm using TeraTerm as telnet client, and Hercules > 4.0 > > I found some curious behavior > If I type? ADD X'00C'... up to SET DATE, I got 0I20I IPL COMPLETE > message as expected but > - if I paste the commands on teraterm window and press on keyboard > last <ENTER> ... I got no message, just stuck there > - if I type on hercules console:?devinit 00c .\jobs\ipl.jcl ascii > eof, then on TeraTerm <ENTER>; instead IPL COMPLETE I got 0I18A SET > STATEMENT NOT GIVEN > > Does Telnet needs a special setting? Do I miss any special key > sequence for end of file ? > > Best Regards > Roberto > > > > > -- ========================================================================== Richard Cornwell rich@...LinkedIn:? ==========================================================================
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Hi Roberto,
Not sure what commands you are looking for. BOS is basically a DOS
system without foreground jobs. Jobs are submitted via the card
reader, or whatever is declared as SYSIPT. There is some description
on console commands here:
The console commands are pretty simple, cancel jobs, continue job etc.
Rich
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I've see on files a BOS360.zip file uploaded by Ren¨¦ (thanks/mer?i)
and I'm trying it I'm using TeraTerm as telnet client, and Hercules
4.0
I found some curious behavior
If I type? ADD X'00C'... up to SET DATE, I got 0I20I IPL COMPLETE
message as expected but
- if I paste the commands on teraterm window and press on keyboard
last <ENTER> ... I got no message, just stuck there
- if I type on hercules console:?devinit 00c .\jobs\ipl.jcl ascii
eof, then on TeraTerm <ENTER>; instead IPL COMPLETE I got 0I18A SET
STATEMENT NOT GIVEN
Does Telnet needs a special setting? Do I miss any special key
sequence for end of file ?
Best Regards
Roberto
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rich@...
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Thanks Richard, and all for directions
I've see on files a BOS360.zip file uploaded by Ren¨¦ (thanks/mer?i) and I'm trying it
I'm using TeraTerm as telnet client, and Hercules 4.0?
I found some curious behavior
If I type? ADD X'00C'... up to SET DATE, I got 0I20I IPL COMPLETE message as expected
but
- if I paste the commands on teraterm window and press on keyboard last <ENTER> ... I got no message, just stuck there
- if I type on hercules console:?devinit 00c .\jobs\ipl.jcl ascii eof, then on TeraTerm <ENTER>; instead IPL COMPLETE I got 0I18A SET STATEMENT NOT GIVEN
Does Telnet needs a special setting? Do I miss any special key sequence for end of file ?
Best Regards
Roberto
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Hi Nameless dosvsoperator (but I know who you are!)
I have seen your video too but it seems to be gone now.
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of cjar1950 via groups.io Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 4:48 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [H390-DOSVS] BOS/360 Is your You Tube channel: ==> dosvsoperator!!! still there?.. I haven't been able to find it for some time. Chris -- <cjar1950@...> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 05:30:36 +0000 (UTC) "dosvsoperator via groups.io" <dosvsoperator@...> wrote: I hope someone comes up with either a set of instructions for generating a typical disk-based BOS/360 system, or a turnkey system that is ready-to-run, with at least COBOL installed.
I don't have any prior BOS/360 experience.
Please check out my You Tube channel: ==> dosvsoperator!!!
On Monday, August 30, 2021, 09:14:55 PM CDT, Richard Cornwell <rich@...> wrote:
Hi,
? According to the documentation BOS should be able to install on disk.
? It did use overlays so was not entirely memory resident. Looking at
? tapes, the CONFIG macro only has option for TAPE. The linker is the
? same as on TOS which is not the same as on DOS. However catalog look
? similar to TOS and DOS. BOS tape appears to have Assembler and Linker
? plus some utilities, COBOL, Fortran and RPG appear to be in
? relocatable library.
? Tape 19030623 appears to be FCOBOL source library, have not figured
? out how to unpack it yet.
Rich
Back in those days, Disks were extremely expensive.? BOS, (Basic
Operating System) was designed to run in an extremely small memory
size.? It did not use disk or tape.
DOS/360 and TOS/360 are interrelated, as they are where DOS 34 came
from.? However, BPS and BOS were separate developments.? I know
DOS/360 and TOS/360 were developed in Germany, while I think the
others came from somewhere else.
John Rankin
P.S. I own a z/VSE software company and have been working with VSE
since 1985 (DOS/VS 1.3.5).
?On 8/30/21, 9:37 PM, "Richard Cornwell" <[email protected] on
behalf of rich@...> wrote:
? ? Hi Jay,
? ? ? BOS is kind of like a TOS without foreground jobs. The version
that is available does not support disk.
? ? Rich
? ? > OK, so dumb question: BOS is just TOS without the tape handling
? ? > code, which in turn is just DOS without the disk handling code,
? ? > right?
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Richard Cornwell
rich@...
LinkedIn:?
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Is your You Tube channel: ==> dosvsoperator!!! still there?.. I haven't been able to find it for some time. Chris -- <cjar1950@...> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 05:30:36 +0000 (UTC) "dosvsoperator via groups.io" <dosvsoperator@...> wrote: I hope someone comes up with either a set of instructions for generating a typical disk-based BOS/360 system,
or a turnkey system that is ready-to-run, with at least COBOL installed.
I don't have any prior BOS/360 experience.
Please check out my You Tube channel: ==> dosvsoperator!!!
On Monday, August 30, 2021, 09:14:55 PM CDT, Richard Cornwell <rich@...> wrote:
Hi,
? According to the documentation BOS should be able to install on disk.
? It did use overlays so was not entirely memory resident. Looking at
? tapes, the CONFIG macro only has option for TAPE. The linker is the
? same as on TOS which is not the same as on DOS. However catalog look
? similar to TOS and DOS. BOS tape appears to have Assembler and Linker
? plus some utilities, COBOL, Fortran and RPG appear to be in
? relocatable library.
? Tape 19030623 appears to be FCOBOL source library, have not figured
? out how to unpack it yet.
Rich
Back in those days, Disks were extremely expensive.? BOS, (Basic
Operating System) was designed to run in an extremely small memory
size.? It did not use disk or tape.
DOS/360 and TOS/360 are interrelated, as they are where DOS 34 came
from.? However, BPS and BOS were separate developments.? I know
DOS/360 and TOS/360 were developed in Germany, while I think the
others came from somewhere else.
John Rankin
P.S. I own a z/VSE software company and have been working with VSE
since 1985 (DOS/VS 1.3.5).
?On 8/30/21, 9:37 PM, "Richard Cornwell" <[email protected] on
behalf of rich@...> wrote:
? ? Hi Jay,
? ? ? BOS is kind of like a TOS without foreground jobs. The version
that is available does not support disk.
? ? Rich
? ? > OK, so dumb question: BOS is just TOS without the tape handling
? ? > code, which in turn is just DOS without the disk handling code,
? ? > right?
--
==========================================================================
Richard Cornwell
rich@...
LinkedIn:?
==========================================================================
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I hope someone comes up with either a set of instructions for generating a typical disk-based BOS/360 system,
or a turnkey system that is ready-to-run, with at least COBOL installed.
I don't have any prior BOS/360 experience.
Please check out my You Tube channel: ==> dosvsoperator!!!
On Monday, August 30, 2021, 09:14:55 PM CDT, Richard Cornwell <rich@...> wrote:
Hi, ? According to the documentation BOS should be able to install on disk. ? It did use overlays so was not entirely memory resident. Looking at ? tapes, the CONFIG macro only has option for TAPE. The linker is the ? same as on TOS which is not the same as on DOS. However catalog look ? similar to TOS and DOS. BOS tape appears to have Assembler and Linker ? plus some utilities, COBOL, Fortran and RPG appear to be in ? relocatable library. ? Tape 19030623 appears to be FCOBOL source library, have not figured ? out how to unpack it yet. Rich > > Back in those days, Disks were extremely expensive.? BOS, (Basic > Operating System) was designed to run in an extremely small memory > size.? It did not use disk or tape. > > DOS/360 and TOS/360 are interrelated, as they are where DOS 34 came > from.? However, BPS and BOS were separate developments.? I know > DOS/360 and TOS/360 were developed in Germany, while I think the > others came from somewhere else. > > John Rankin > > P.S. I own a z/VSE software company and have been working with VSE > since 1985 (DOS/VS 1.3.5). > > ?On 8/30/21, 9:37 PM, "Richard Cornwell" < [email protected] on > behalf of rich@...> wrote: > >? ? Hi Jay, > >? ? ? BOS is kind of like a TOS without foreground jobs. The version > that is available does not support disk. > >? ? Rich > >? ? > OK, so dumb question: BOS is just TOS without the tape handling >? ? > code, which in turn is just DOS without the disk handling code, >? ? > right? > -- ========================================================================== Richard Cornwell rich@...LinkedIn:? ==========================================================================
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Hi,
According to the documentation BOS should be able to install on disk.
It did use overlays so was not entirely memory resident. Looking at
tapes, the CONFIG macro only has option for TAPE. The linker is the
same as on TOS which is not the same as on DOS. However catalog look
similar to TOS and DOS. BOS tape appears to have Assembler and Linker
plus some utilities, COBOL, Fortran and RPG appear to be in
relocatable library.
Tape 19030623 appears to be FCOBOL source library, have not figured
out how to unpack it yet.
Rich
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Back in those days, Disks were extremely expensive. BOS, (Basic
Operating System) was designed to run in an extremely small memory
size. It did not use disk or tape.
DOS/360 and TOS/360 are interrelated, as they are where DOS 34 came
from. However, BPS and BOS were separate developments. I know
DOS/360 and TOS/360 were developed in Germany, while I think the
others came from somewhere else.
John Rankin
P.S. I own a z/VSE software company and have been working with VSE
since 1985 (DOS/VS 1.3.5).
?On 8/30/21, 9:37 PM, "Richard Cornwell" <[email protected] on
behalf of rich@...> wrote:
Hi Jay,
BOS is kind of like a TOS without foreground jobs. The version
that is available does not support disk.
Rich
> OK, so dumb question: BOS is just TOS without the tape handling
> code, which in turn is just DOS without the disk handling code,
> right?
--
==========================================================================
Richard Cornwell
rich@...
LinkedIn:
==========================================================================
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Guys, Back in those days, Disks were extremely expensive. BOS, (Basic Operating System) was designed to run in an extremely small memory size. It did not use disk or tape. DOS/360 and TOS/360 are interrelated, as they are where DOS 34 came from. However, BPS and BOS were separate developments. I know DOS/360 and TOS/360 were developed in Germany, while I think the others came from somewhere else. John Rankin P.S. I own a z/VSE software company and have been working with VSE since 1985 (DOS/VS 1.3.5). ?On 8/30/21, 9:37 PM, "Richard Cornwell" < [email protected] on behalf of rich@...> wrote: Hi Jay, BOS is kind of like a TOS without foreground jobs. The version that is available does not support disk. Rich > OK, so dumb question: BOS is just TOS without the tape handling code, > which in turn is just DOS without the disk handling code, right? > -- ========================================================================== Richard Cornwell rich@... LinkedIn: ==========================================================================
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Hi Jay,
BOS is kind of like a TOS without foreground jobs. The version that
is available does not support disk.
Rich
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OK, so dumb question: BOS is just TOS without the tape handling code,
which in turn is just DOS without the disk handling code, right?
--
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Richard Cornwell
rich@...
LinkedIn:
==========================================================================
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OK, so dumb question: BOS is just TOS without the tape handling code, which in turn is just DOS without the disk handling code, right?
On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 8:31 PM Richard Cornwell < rich@...> wrote: Hi Roberto,
? BOS should run just fine on Hercules. There is really no installation
? for it. Just IPL the tape, and submit the assignment statements for
? the devices. Supervisor generation should be about same as TOS.
Rich
>
> Some time ago, Bitsavers got a copy of BOS/360:
> Did
> someone knows a guide to install it under hercules? Will be fine to
> have it running to complete the BOS-DOS-TOS series I've no luck on
> finding one ...
>
> Best regards
> Roberto
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi Roberto,
BOS should run just fine on Hercules. There is really no installation
for it. Just IPL the tape, and submit the assignment statements for
the devices. Supervisor generation should be about same as TOS.
Rich
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Some time ago, Bitsavers got a copy of BOS/360:
Did
someone knows a guide to install it under hercules? Will be fine to
have it running to complete the BOS-DOS-TOS series I've no luck on
finding one ...
Best regards
Roberto
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Richard Cornwell
rich@...
LinkedIn:
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Hi Everybody
Some time ago, Bitsavers got a copy of BOS/360:?
Did someone knows a guide to install it under hercules? Will be fine to have it running to complete the BOS-DOS-TOS series
I've no luck on finding one ...
Best regards
Roberto
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Re: DOS/360: cancelled during install...
00e->02e: Got 'em both in the above update.? Thanks!
Agreed re additional feedback on device addresses, hence the separate topic for DOS/360 under VM.? Spooling deserves discussion.??
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Re: DOS/360: cancelled during install...
Think you'll find two lurking X'00e's in verasm04.jcl...I did, at least.
And yeah, I thought about making that change to another range myself, but decided to defer it until others had had a chance to weigh in. VM/370 CE has 16x genned as 3340s, but that's not a big deal, just use the directory entry to put the DASD at the addresses you want.
Thanks for reporting the ASSGN statement error in verasm04.jcl.? That's been there a while.? The archive has been updated (one line in one file) and future downloads will include the correction.??
I will start a separate thread for DOS/360 on VM (on Hercules).? A "real" 1403 is not a bad approach.??
I hadn't considered the impact of using device range 190-193 for the 2314's in a CMS automation environment.? There's no significance to the device addresses.? 160-163 would work just as well, and it's not a complicated change.? Just very very (very) tedious.??
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Re: DOS/360: cancelled during install...
Thanks for reporting the ASSGN statement error in verasm04.jcl.? That's been there a while.? The archive has been updated (one line in one file) and future downloads will include the correction.??
I will start a separate thread for DOS/360 on VM (on Hercules).? A "real" 1403 is not a bad approach.??
I hadn't considered the impact of using device range 190-193 for the 2314's in a CMS automation environment.? There's no significance to the device addresses.? 160-163 would work just as well, and it's not a complicated change.? Just very very (very) tedious.??
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Re: DOS/360: cancelled during install...
Ran through the verify steps. Everything ran fine, though I did have to change the ASSGNs in veraso04.jcl for the printer to X'02E'. The original versions got?1A14D ?CONFLICTING I/O ASSIGNMENT messages.
Looks like it's good, now. And for initial VM use, we can always just dedicate?a real 1403 to it...
Hoping there is someone who will be able to help with the handshaking as this OS is my primary interest for running under VM/370.
Thanks again?Ren¨¦ for getting me running!
Roger
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Re: DOS/360: cancelled during install...
Hoping there is someone who will be able to help with the handshaking as this OS is my primary interest for running under VM/370.
Thanks again?Ren¨¦ for getting me running!
Roger
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Re: DOS/360: cancelled during install...
The one issue I see is that you can't really automate anything with CMS EXECs, since CMS assumes the A-disk is at 191, and the supplied stuff assumes SPOOL1 is there. I would assume that POWER could be patched to do the handshaking, if the source code where that would be needed is present, or the hook locations are known.
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 03:20 PM, <stephen.orso@...> wrote:
[...] and in particular what you need to do to run it under VM/370.
Have you run your DOS/360 under VM/370? It should not be very hard. But the one problem I see is handshaking (automatic close of spool print/punch files), probably not implemented on DOS/360. The OS has to be patched for that. George Shedlock did it for DOS/VS.
Cheers,
Rene FERLAND, Montreal
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Re: DOS/360: cancelled during install...
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 03:20 PM, <stephen.orso@...> wrote:
[...] and in particular what you need to do to run it under VM/370.
Have you run your DOS/360 under VM/370? It should not be very hard. But the one problem I see is handshaking (automatic close of spool print/punch files), probably not implemented on DOS/360. The OS has to be patched for that. George Shedlock did it for DOS/VS. Cheers, Rene FERLAND, Montreal
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Ren¨¦ Ferland
Fran Hensler