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Moving to Groups.io (without easy transfer)

Although things are in flux with the changes in YG, here are some options that might work for you.

Frances

GMF Wiki: (unofficial) Help for members (and would-be members) and group managers

I read and appreciated the
??/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki notes on mkgration.

i have two or three questions remaining confusions:

i have several yahoo groups I like to fully migrate...with their message archives.
of those groups only one is REALLY important ..I'll cal it "ImportantGroup... aka ?"IG" for this thread,)

i fully downloaded all of IG's and my other groups's message archives and uploaded files with PG downloader just before yahoo removed them.
i also took up Yahoo's offer and had them create , and I retrieved one big zip file of MBOX files.
I also have also downloaded the membership list.

so several question I hope someone (Shal??) can help with:

# First , I noticed somewhere that groupsio does now offer an option for paid groups to import archives from MBOX files. So that basically raises my MAIN question is is it easier or better to (A) try importing the archives from the MBOX files or (B) the PG downloader files.
Can you educate me on the pros ?cons of method A vs B??

# I was a bit confused when I got the downloaded-from-yahoo zip.
i looked in there and there's AFAIK no way to tell which files were from which of the five groups that were in there.
That worries me about how or even IF the import (whether done by me manually or some semi-automatic procedure offered by groupsio) can distinguish which files belong to which group. It would be a nightmare if somehow all the different groups' archives got uploaded into my new grouosio IG group.

(BTW, I do understand there's no easy migration path for the files..That's not top priority for me.)

Any info would be helpful in unconfusing me.

Alex

Look at the full name of the folders inside the zip file. They are very long and start out with meaningless (to me at least) numbers, but at the end of the folder name is the name of the group the files they contain came from.

Jonathan

Hi Jonathan.
Thanks for your reply.
You wrote, regarding the inbox files in the zip that came from Yahoo,...
"...Look at the full name of the folders inside the zip file....."

I’ll take a look thanks.

I imagine that means that if/when I or groupsIO uses those MBOX files to Import the Archive into one of my newly created groupsIO groups I WILL be Able to specify exactly which inbox files to use an import from. Right?

BTW.... is there any way, our utility, for me to go directly into those inbox files and see the archives read them or search them or whatever?

Alex

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On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 01:05 PM, Alex wrote:

# First , I noticed somewhere that groupsio does now offer an option for paid groups to import archives from MBOX files. So that basically raises my MAIN question is is it easier or better to (A) try importing the archives from the MBOX files or (B) the PG downloader files.
Can you educate me on the pros ?cons of method A vs B??

Alex -- You have three options, only two of which are currently available:

1. Lena's Perl script. This is free, and you can do it right now. The main downside is it requires quite a lot of savvy on your part to get it set up, and the posting dates are not retained. You also cannot reattach any attachments, if that's important to you.

2. The groups.io mbox import service. This retains both message ownership and proper posting dates, but not attachments. You will have to pay for Premium Yearly on the destination group ($220) to get them to do it. See?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/27438

3. PGO2GIO software. Rumor has it that this will reattach your message attachments, but like Lena's script, suffers from being unable to reconstruct the message "ownership" or posting date. It costs $50 (minimum), but at this point remains in beta testing, with no clear release date.

More information at?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Moving-to-Groups.io#Uploading-a-message-archive?ff.

# I was a bit confused when I got the downloaded-from-yahoo zip.
i looked in there and there's AFAIK no way to tell which files were from which of the five groups that were in there.

The group names are at the end of each folder name within the large zip file. Locate the "IG" folder in your download and extract it. Within that extracted folder should be a "messages.zip" file containing all the mbox files. It's up to you to find the right ones and ensure they are operated on.

mbox files can be opened in Notepad or any other plain-text editor, but there will be a lot of header information and html, which confuses some people. If you want to read it as emails, you can open it as a mail folder in Thunderbird with the importexporttools add-on, in Apple Mail, and probably some other email clients, too.

As for importing, if you use Lena's Perl script, I suggest you practice on a subgroup first. That way you can just delete the subgroup and repeat until you get it working to your satisfaction. If you use groups.io's service, just make darn sure you tell Mark exactly which [sub]group is your intended destination, and provide the correct "messages.zip" file.

Regards,
Bruce

On 12 Jan 2020, at 20:20, Alex <acensor@...> wrote:

is there any way, our utility, for me to go directly into those inbox files and see the archives read them or search them or whatever?

Yes, Alex, they’re Mailboxes that you can simply insert / import / open in your Email Client.

Bear in mind you need enough disk space ;-)

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On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 08:51 PM, D R Stinson wrote:

Is there a reason why the import couldn't be put right into the message archives? I've rescued an orphaned group and we have the Yahoo zip files for the group. (We also have PGO files.)?The current groups.io archives start from about a year ago, and I recognize the message numbering of the imported messages?would fall into the sequence on the date it was imported.

You'd end up with 2 YG in one GIO group, correct?? There's no problem with that and it's been done a few times that I know of (some intentional, some not. ;>)? It's only critical if you want to keep all the information separate.

Duane
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Is there a reason why the import couldn't be put right into the
message archives? I've rescued an orphaned group and we
have the Yahoo zip files for the group. (We also have PGO
files.) The current groups.io archives start from about a year
ago, and I recognize the message numbering of the imported
messages would fall into the sequence on the date it was
imported.

You'd end up with 2 YG in one GIO group, correct? There's
no problem with that and it's been done a few times that I
know of (some intentional, some not. ;>)

Thanks for your thoughts, Duane. There's only one Y! group and I want to put the messages into the successor groups.io group. The only merging would be a few recent messages that would overlap.

Dano

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Is there a reason why the import couldn't be put right into
the message archives?

That depends on "by who". If you give the mbox file(s) to
Groups.io to import for you that's exactly what happens.

Thanks, Shal. That's what I was asking. I thought I'd made that clear in my initial question. Unfortunately Bruce talked about putting them in subgroups which confused the issue, hence the question. My groups really have no need for subgroups, and I prefer to keep them as simple as possible.

Dano