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Can't create a group, but e-mail says it doesn't exist


 

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We are considering moving nasota@... to . We can’t create the group, but when I send mail to [email protected], I get this response:

<[email protected]>: host?[45.79..81.153] said: 510 The group?'nasota' does not exist.?

What’s up?

wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder@...
http://observer.wunderwood.org/??(my?blog)


 

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Have you created a groups.io password?

ken

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On 2018-02-06 07:46, Walter Underwood wrote:

We are considering moving nasota@... to . We can't create the group, but when I send mail to [email protected], I get this response:
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<[email protected]>: host?[45.79..81.153] said: 510 The group?'nasota' does not exist.?
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What's up?

wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder@...
http://observer.wunderwood.org/??(my?blog)


 

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Maybe I’m not reading what you said right, but you cannot go to a group that has not been created.

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Don

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Walter Underwood
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 7:47 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [GMF] Can't create a group, but e-mail says it doesn't exist

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We are considering moving nasota@... to . We can’t create the group, but when I send mail to [email protected], I get this response:

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<[email protected]>: host?[45.79..81.153] said: 510 The group?'nasota' does not exist.?

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What’s up?

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wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder@...
??(my?blog)

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Yes, I have a password. I the owner for two groups.
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When I try and create an “nasota” group, the error message is "That address has already been taken."
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wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder@...
http://observer.wunderwood.org/??(my?blog)

On Feb 6, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Don <dgrass1@...> wrote:

Maybe I’m not reading what you said right, but you cannot go to a group that has not been created.
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Don
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Walter,

Perhaps its awaiting approval? I assume it says it already exists?

Dave

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Walter Underwood
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 7:47 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [GMF] Can't create a group, but e-mail says it doesn't exist

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We are considering moving nasota@... to . We can’t create the group, but when I send mail to [email protected], I get this response:

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<[email protected]>: host?[45.79..81.153] said: 510 The group?'nasota' does not exist.?

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What’s up?

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wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder@...
??(my?blog)

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wunder,

We can’t create the group, but when I send mail to [it], I get this
response:

510 The group 'nasota' does not exist.
That suggests to me that someone already created a group by that name, then deleted it.

The name of a deleted group remains reserved indefinitely. You could write to [email protected] to see if Mark will unlock the name for you.

Shal


 

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Thanks, makes sense.

wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder@...
http://observer.wunderwood.org/??(my?blog)

On Feb 6, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

wunder,

> We can’t create the group, but when I send mail to [it], I get this
> response:
>
> 510 The group 'nasota' does not exist.

That suggests to me that someone already created a group by that name, then deleted it.

The name of a deleted group remains reserved indefinitely. You could write to [email protected] to see if Mark will unlock the name for you.

Shal





 

Finger in the air, is it taken (but not approved) by


Dave

On 6 Feb 2018 at 17:12, Dave Wade wrote:

Walter,

Perhaps its awaiting approval? I assume it says it already exists?

Dave


 

Shal,
If you create a group, and then due to complaints about similarity to a group on facebook, google, or YG
You rename the group, Is the original group name reserved indefinitely as well?
Or can you rename your group back to the original name at a later date?

I created a group.io list (3G) as a place for a popular YG list (3G) to relocate. The (3G) list owner has decided to go down with the ship and let the (3G) list die with YG. I renamed my groups.io (3Gone) list to distance itself from the old YG (3G)list. Now it sounds like if the old YG (3G)list decides to save itself it can not create a new groups.io list with the (3G)name I had originally used.

KEN

"It has always seemed strange to me," said Doc. "The things we admire in
men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, understanding and feeling
are the concomitants of failure in our system. And those traits we detest,
sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, egotism and self-interest are
the traits of success." STEINBECK - CANNERY ROW

On 2018-02-06 09:31, Shal Farley wrote:
wunder,

We can’t create the group, but when I send mail to [it], I get this
response:
510 The group 'nasota' does not exist.
That suggests to me that someone already created a group by that name,
then deleted it.
The name of a deleted group remains reserved indefinitely. You could
write to [email protected] to see if Mark will unlock the name for
you.
Shal


 

Ken,

If you create a group, and then ... You rename the group, Is the
original group name reserved indefinitely as well?
No, I'm pretty sure it isn't reserved at all after a rename.

Or can you rename your group back to the original name at a later
date?
Yes, assuming no one else has taken the name by then.

Shal


 

Good guess. The North American Summits on the Air group, “nasota” at Yahoo! (), is the one we are considering moving to . is an informational site for the same thing.
On Feb 6, 2018, at 10:01 AM, Dave Sergeant <dave@...> wrote:

Finger in the air, is it taken (but not approved) by


Dave

wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder@...
http://observer.wunderwood.org/??(my?blog)
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So, I created a group with a certain name (same as on Yahoo), but now I am thinking I want that group to be a subgroup of another group.? Can I still use the name as the name of the subgroup?? I see where you said even if a group is deleted the name is reserved indefinitely - would that mean I can't switch it?? Let me know, thanks!

Barb B

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On 2018-02-06 12:31 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

wunder,

We?can't?create?the?group,?but?when?I?send?mail?to?[it],?I?get?this
response:

510?The?group?'nasota'?does?not?exist.

That suggests to me that someone already created a group by that name, then deleted it.

The name of a deleted group remains reserved indefinitely. You could write to [email protected] to see if Mark will unlock the name for you.

Shal




 

Barb,

So, I created a group with a certain name (same as on Yahoo), but now I am thinking I want that group to be a subgroup of another group.? Can I still use the name as the name of the subgroup?

The name of a subgroup has two components. One is the name in common with its primary group (the "subdomain" name), which was the primary group's name before it had any subgroups. See for example the beta group - it's primary is now "main", and "beta" is in common with its subgroups.

The "subdomain" or primary name must be unique system-wide, but the subgroup names only need to be unique with respect to each other.

If the existing group has no (important) content, and you want to simply start it over as a subgroup, that I think you can just do using the same name without first needing to rename or delete the existing group. Because that subgroup name will be "inside" the primary group name, in a way like one folder inside another.

If the existing group does have important content it would take an action by support to pick it up and make it a subgroup of another group. Same answer, no name conflict (and that would likely leave the original group name unreserved).

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I see where you said even if a group is deleted the name is reserved indefinitely - would that mean I can't switch it?? Let me know, thanks!

Delete reserves, rename does not. So if you want to delete a group and later re-use its name, rename it before you delete it.
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Shal