I'm liking the new editor, not so much
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In #1838 J_Catlady wrote:
Shal, that issue with the Enter key causes problems elsewhere. ForI'm not having that problem with text I entered, but it definitely has issues with text that came from elsewhere (quoted matter). It seems that if the original material used HTML paragraph tags then this editor tends to put newlines inside the paragraphs rather than between them. And then the blockquote applies to the entire span of the paragraph. Another thing it does is it tends to eat single newlines. Taking a three-line paragraph and crunching it into one line. If you select the center line, or have the cursor in the center line, then Blockquote will make just that line a quote - as expected. But... If you select all three of those lines and click Blockquote you get: Taking a three-lineparagraph and crunchingit into one line.Re-wrapping it is surprising; omitting the whitespace is just wrong. And to insert the blank line, you actually have to hit "return"That, to me, is the desired and expected behavior. I want Enter to work in the more typewriter fashion. A line break, not a paragraph break. I recognize that this is the opposite of what word processors like Word do. The normal "undo edit" key in a browser doesn't work, and you insteadI haven't run into that problem. Ctrl+Z has always worked fine for me. In Firefox. Maybe it is a browser issue. There's an issue with fonts that I haven't been able to isolate yet.Mark may have fixed that today, if it is the same issue. I'd noticed that font selection would show in the editor, and in the message sent by email, but not on site. I would switch back to the old editor in a heartbeat.There's no accounting for taste. ;-) Shal |
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I'm not referring to quoted matter, and after reporting this bug toInteresting. I didn't need to do that in my test earlier or just now. Maybe it is already fixed? Line 1 Line 2 Line 3 Put the cursor in line 2 (or select that whole line) and click Blockquote. I get: Line 1 Line 2Line 3 And I do NOT expect to have to hit "return" twice to get a blankHow about any software or web site other than a word processor? Say Gmail. Say Yahoo Mail. Say Thunderbird. Say Yahoo Groups. Where else but in a word processor does a single Enter cause a paragraph break? I've run into a few, but far and away most ordinary text entry forms I've used treat Enter as a line break. Shal |
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Yes, all of those behave as expected. You don't have to hit "return"Intriguing. In that case I don't think I know what you mean by hitting return twice. My mental picture: starting with an empty box, type "ABC[Enter]123". The result I expect is: ABC 123 With no blank line between. To get a blank line (paragraph break) between them I'd have to hit Enter twice. Everywhere but in a word processor; and there it isn't really a blank line, it is a paragraph separation with whatever vertical spacing is specified by your paragraph styles. No, it's not already fixed or it wouldn't have done it to me againHm, but here you're working with quoted material (my text). And yes I've had trouble in that circumstance. But starting with a blank page and just typing one's own text it seems better behaved. I haven't done much testing with quoted material. Shal |
Where else but in a word processor does a single Enter cause aYou should be more specific when you refer to word processors. In WordPerfect, Enter gives a simple line break. That people use Word as a standard is just a sad situation caused years ago by deception on the part of M$ to sell their own second class software and push out competitors. YMMV. Dano |
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You should be more specific when you refer to word processors.Duly noted. I'll have to confess that the vast majority of my experience with word processors has been MS Word. With a smattering of LibreOffice (which is an MS-office work-alike, so that's not really different). And back in the dim ages some desktop publishing software such as Ventura Publisher (later Corel Ventura). Shal |
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It works for the first instance (the case of selecting and copying text makes it appear automatically, and indented, at the top of the response, as it did here), but nowhere afterwards without all kinds of futzing around.Ok, thanks for saying that. Now I see the problem. I hadn't ever selected part of the original message before clicking Reply. I'd always clicked Reply then Quote Whole Post. The result differs in one significant way: I've never been trying to copy and paste additional material from the original message. That means I (generally) don't need to use the Blockquote button within a message. the quick brown foxNope. But not fair since that was a quote. jumped over the lazy dogThe quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. Still no. the quick brown foxNot sure what's going on there, but not my experience. I did see one thing that will probably help Mark, if he can fix it: the message body typed by the user gets surrounded by a paragraph element. The whole body, with all of its lines and paragraphs within it. But not the top-posted quote, if any. I think that surrounding paragraph element is what causes the Blockquote button to quote the whole message body. Shal |
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Its icon is a quotation mark. It's not "indent text." It isYes, it creates the HTML code for a blockquote. That was never in question. But the fact is that it fails to work as expected on its ownAbsolutely. But until your last message I hadn't figured out how to reproduce it. That's why I was describing the difference between what you were doing and what I had done. Also, my way provides you a work-around until it gets fixed. I've sent my observations into Mark at the support address. Hopefully that will assist him in fixing it. I think what happened is that the code that inserts a quote automatically when you select part of the original message and then click reply (and also the Quote Whole Post function) has some code leftover from the prior editor that is tripping up the new editor. Shal |
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My point here ... is that this editor is very buggy.I've updated the description of Blockquote's buggy behavior on the Wiki page: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Message-composition-tips-and-tricks I haven't reproduced and don't have a characterization for the two-Enter problem nor for the laggy behavior others have seen. Someone who can is invited to add their observations to the Quirks section of that page -- as well as report details to [email protected] in hopes of getting them fixed. Or any other quirks/bugs anyone may have encountered. Shal |
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