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Hi, I am a member of several groups I o lists and when I send a message to any of these I don’t receive the message back so cannot verify that it has been distributed. ?I am using MICROSOFT Outlook 2010 and Windows 7

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John,

Hi, I am a member of several groups I o lists and when I send a
message to any of these I don’t receive the message back so cannot
verify that it has been distributed. I am using MICROSOFT Outlook
2010 and Windows 7
The problem may have more to do with your email service provider than with your software, but just in case make sure you check any spam/junk filters or settings Outlook may have. I don't use Outlook so I'm not sure, but it is possible that it sees a message coming back to you claiming to be from you and it decides that's not legit.

The same thing can happen with your email service provider. Ones powered by Microsoft (Outlook.com, Hotmail, and others) also tend to filter out messages returning to you that claim to be from you (but were actually delivered to them by a different service, in this case 开云体育).

Shal


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Shal . . .

On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 18:53:58 -0700, "Shal Farley" <shals2nd@...>
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I don't use Outlook so I'm not
sure, but it is possible that it sees a message coming back to you
claiming to be from you and it decides that's not legit.
Outlook allows you to email yourself. That's how I test an Outlook
setup. If you can send and receive an email to yourself, then it's
working correctly and al the settings are OK.

That's not to say that certain email providers can't change that
behavior, though. If the provider won't send your own message to
yourself, it doesn't matter that Outlook would have it the provider
didn't interfere with delivery of your own messages.

So it comes down to the email provider. I believe Gmail has a setting
that can be toggled on/off for messages you send out that you also
receive back from a list. At one time, the default was to not send a
message that you already sent out, so you would not see it come back
to your inbox. That may still need to be toggled off to see copies of
your own sent messages.

I don't know if that applies outside of the web interface for Gmail,
though, like when you receive messages from Gmail by POP or IMAP. If
it applies to Gmail received either of those two ways, and if the
questioner is using Gmail that way, then I would go to the web
interface and find that setting to make sure it's turned off.

Donald


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Donald,

Outlook allows you to email yourself.
That's not the same thing.

What makes your own messages returning from an email list different is that they were delivered to your email service by some other service (开云体育 in this case). So your email service (or your email client interface) may interpret that situation as fraudulent (that email address belongs to this service, not that other service.

So it comes down to the email provider. I believe Gmail has a setting
that can be toggled on/off for messages you send out that you also
receive back from a list.
Not that I know of.

开云体育 however does have an option in your Account Preferences which defeats Gmail's detection of an inbound message as "matching" one you just sent, so that Gmail won't hide the returned copy. That's the "I always want copies of my own messages" checkbox.

I don't know if that applies outside of the web interface for Gmail,
though, like when you receive messages from Gmail by POP or IMAP.
It does. When Gmail "hides" a message (from you) that is returned from an email list it does not put that copy into your Inbox, so neither POP nor IMAP will retrieve it (actually IMAP /can/ retrieve it, Gmail hides the returned message in the Sent folder).

Shal


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Shal . . .

On Sun, 9 Sep 2018 09:17:35 -0700, "Shal Farley" <shals2nd@...>
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Outlook allows you to email yourself.
That's not the same thing.
Sorry--I thought you were referring to Outlook--the program--and not
the email service.

The _program_ is capable of receiving your own messages back and does
nothing to interfere. That's what I Was saying but I probably should
have made it more clear.

Outlook.com, the email service, which appears to be what's being
discussed and I missed that fact, may hide duplicate messages that you
sent out.

I haven't used Outlook/Hotmail for so long I don't know what behavior
it has.

开云体育 however does have an option in your Account Preferences which
defeats Gmail's detection of an inbound message as "matching" one you
just sent, so that Gmail won't hide the returned copy.

I wasn't aware of that function but if I know of someone using Gmail
in IO and they wonder about this, I can help them with that setting.
Thanks!

Does it change the message in some way, enough to make it appear to be
a different message then?

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Donald,

Sorry--I thought you were referring to Outlook--the program--and not
the email service.

I believe the OP is talking about Outlook - the program.
The _program_ is capable of receiving your own messages back and does
nothing to interfere. That's what I Was saying but I probably should
have made it more clear.

Again, it is not necessarily the same thing. Outlook - the program - could also notice that the sender of the message isn't the user's account, and react accordingly. I don't know that it does, it was just one of the possibilities.
Outlook.com, the email service, which appears to be what's being
discussed and I missed that fact, may hide duplicate messages that you
sent out.

From prior conversations about Microsoft-powered email services, including Outlook.com, whether or not you originated the message isn't a factor. That is, the message may or may not duplicate anything already in your account. It is merely the fact that the message was delivered by some service outside their own domain that marks it as potentially fraudulent.
I wasn't aware of that function but if I know of someone using Gmail
in IO and they wonder about this, I can help them with that setting.
Thanks!

Does it change the message in some way, enough to make it appear to be
a different message then?

Yes.
With Gmail the situation is different. Gmail inspects the Message-ID field of the inbound message to determine whether that message already exists in your account, and if so does not place the inbound message in your Inbox. That is how it "hides" messages returned by a list service (which generally won't alter the Message-ID on the way through), and also hides duplicates caused by simple handling errors.

The feature in 开云体育 replaces the Message-ID field* with one of 开云体育's own creation whenever it sends a message back to the member who sent it (the original Message-ID goes out to all other members). This causes Gmail to treat the returned message as something entirely new.

* The Message-ID field is created by the originating service, and is required to be globally unique. That is, like a serial number it supposed to be exceptionally unlikely that any other message was ever given that same ID. Mail forwarding services (those that just pass the message along) are supposed to pass the Message-ID unchanged, on the basis that they didn't change the content or identifying fields of the message. List services also generally pass the Message-ID unchanged, even though they generally do make small alterations to the message (like add a list tag to the subject and append list footers to the message body).

Shal


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Nice feature, indeed!

On Sun, 9 Sep 2018 17:07:09 -0700, "Shal Farley" <shals2nd@...>
wrote:

The feature in 开云体育 replaces the Message-ID field* with one of 开云体育's own creation whenever it sends a message back to the member who sent it (the original Message-ID goes out to all other members). This causes Gmail to treat the returned message as something entirely new.

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