Re: I have a question [about the Subscription page seen by pending members]
Thanks it clear now
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Datum: 14-5-2018 18:45:15
Onderwerp: Re: [GMF] I have a question [about the Subscription page seen by pending members]
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On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 08:49 am, Carin wrote:
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As Shal said, you can't alter any of that text.??There are some places that you can add text.
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That's how I was planning to organize it. I was mainly asking about transferring the Yahoogroups, with each groups' files/archive/etc.? Can it be done properly and automatically, or will I have to do anything special, or what, without scrambling/overwriting ?
On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote: If I were going to combine them into one group, I'd set up the chat group as the main group and the other two as subgroups.? Everyone would need to be a member of the main group before they could join a subgroup.? There shouldn't be any problem doing that as long as your groups don't use more total space than your allocated storage.
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On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 09:45 am, Alison Leach wrote:
Scott, I found it by searching for Bob Bellizzi
You can also select the Messages view (instead of Topics) and enter the message number in the box at the upper right. It will be the first one on the results page. Duane -- Help: /static/helpGMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiSearch button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions
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Scott, I found it by searching for Bob Bellizzi and then selecting message #1429 from the list (thankfully there weren't many messages to scroll down to find it).?
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Re: I have a question [about the Subscription page seen by pending members]
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If I were going to combine them into one group, I'd set up the chat group as the main group and the other two as subgroups. Everyone would need to be a member of the main group before they could join a subgroup. There shouldn't be any problem doing that as long as your groups don't use more total space than your allocated storage. Duane -- Help: /static/helpGMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiSearch button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions
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Bob, I'd like to see that, but searching the group messages for 1429 or #1429 yields nothing but this message. Can you provide a direct link, or better way to search for a message number?
Thank you.
Scott
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Re: Is there a way to force "via groups.io"?
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Why don't you simply report this as a bug to [email protected],?attaching sufficient documentation to back it up. I reiterate the claim, previously stated, that Mark is sensitive to bugs and typically jumps right on them. BTW your complant about fixing others' bugs reminds me of how long so many people put up with yahoo's crappy stuff and Microsoft's in many cases. I did a lot of that as Microsoft's first commercial customer (for Basic on the 8080) in the early 1970's when they were working out of a single room at Altair's offices in AZ.?? Use of groups.io is strictly on a voluntary basis.? If I felt that groups.io didn't perform up to my expectations and I was paying for the service, as I am, I would be looking elsewhere. -- Bob Bellizzi
The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation
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Re: I have a question [about the Subscription page seen by pending members]
Thanks for your answer but it's not what i mean.?
I am the owner of this group?
I make a second account for??trying what a new member see and i saw? this.
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where the fingers are there?i want to change the text?
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I hope you understand my bad English ( i am a Dutch woman)
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Datum: 14-5-2018 02:25:10
Onderwerp: Re: [GMF] I have a question [about the Subscription page seen by pending members]
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Carin,
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Nope.
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You can compose a Pending Subscription notice that will be emailed to
the person, but you can't alter the text on the web site.
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I would also sugget that you read my post #1429?on this group to see how I set up a "signpost" to encourage those who found our Yahoo group to come over to join us on groups.io.? It's pretty simple but very effective. -- Bob Bellizzi
The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation
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I have three yahoo groups for a single club:? SoARChat, SoARBusiness, and SoARBOD.? The first is for anyone, the second is for paid members of the club, and the third is for the board of the club, with corresponding permissions.? The main problem with this set up is the potential for double- or even triple-posting, and members who forget to subscribe to the chat, and so miss the general discussions, or members who forget to subscribe to the business group and never get event updates/cancellations.??
It sounds like I can just set up a single GIO group, and set it up to have the subgroups Chat, Business, and BOD.? Each subgroup would have its own settings. Then I would just assign the subgroups to people as they subscribe to the main group.? ?
would I be able to transfer the three groups (with their associated files/photos/data/archive) to the new group without scrambling things up? Or can the transfer of each go to a subgroup vs. the main group???
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Re: Can a Moderator move a group?
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Re: HELP Please!!! [transferring a Yahoo Group]
On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 11:56 pm, Sandy Brentano wrote:
I'm trying to transfer our yahoo Group but I don't understand how to do step 2 of the Easy Group Transfer process.
You invite the transfer agent's email address ( [email protected]) to your YAHOO group. Instructions can be found at Attempting to invite it to your new group at groups.io is a common error. Hope this helps, Bruce
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Can a Moderator move a group?
I expect to move a Yahoo Group to Groups.io.,
Does the Owner of the Yahoo Group have to make me an Owner or will just being appointed as Moderator do?
Thanks,.
Richard
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Re: Is there a way to force "via groups.io"?
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On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 05:21 am, Pete AE5PL wrote:
no action has occurred on this group
This group is other users of the site and no one from Groups.io monitors it. We have no official capacity and can only attempt to figure out why people are having difficulties. It seems to me that if it were a problem with Exchange servers that all members using any of the MS email services - Outlook, MSN, etc. - would have problems and that's not happening. Unless MS isn't using their own product. Duane -- Help: /static/helpGMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiSearch button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions
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On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 06:06 pm, < [email protected]> wrote: I just logged onto my Yahoo account to delete my YGroups May I suggest you do not delete the YG but make it moderated. That way you can catch any of your members who have not logged in to GIO. I thought of that too late for one of my transfers. Arno
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Time Next to Date Shown in Digest
Searched but did not find anything.
I would like to see the time of day next to the date of posts.
Arno
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Re: Is there a way to force "via groups.io"?
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This is incorrect -- Groups.io's messages pass SPF.
That's because SPF tests the envelope-From, not the header-From. During the handshake between Groups.io's server and the receiving email service Groups.io's server correctly presents its own domain during the SMTP transaction (envelope-From).
Not true. While -some- email servers use the envelope-From in SPF validation, -all- Exchange servers (most enterprise and business servers including Office 365) use the actual from address as well since this is a common form of spoofing.
Those servers really should be using the envelope-From, not the header-From for blocking purposes, matching the implementation of SPF. At worst, an internal header-From domain arriving from outside should be a demerit in the server's spam filter.
"Those servers", again, are -all- Microsoft Exchange servers blocking domain origin.? I have tested and, again like SPF, Exchange blocks both envelope-From and header-From since that, again, is a common method of spoofing.? I realize you don't like or have experience with Microsoft Exchange or its common deployment (it also does not directly implement DMARC), but it is the most used enterprise and business mail server.? As I indicated before, to deny this fact is to tell millions of potential users of groups.io "we don't want you".
Groups.io's practice does not cause bouncing, nor is it causing a problems for Groups.io's users. Mark is very sensitive to deliverability issues and if it were a problem he'd be on it.
Yes it is, I have experienced it directly, reported it here (where is the only place I am aware of reporting these issues), and have been met with statements like this that ignore a large set of users who may not know why they are being blocked.? I am savvy enough to recognize what is going on, why it is happening, and to report what the root cause is.? That is what I have done with this post.
As you may have figured out in the mean time, beta is just a group; there is no separate beta test platform. Anyone can join the group and post there. It serves as Groups.io's official "suggestion board".
Like you, I have a day job which does not include debugging other people's products.? No, I had not "figured out" "beta is just a group".? I guess maybe this should all be reported over there since no action has occurred on this group other than your statements that it is a non-issue.? BTW, Yahoo has always supported having groups show the From as being the group, not the user so it would pass server tests that the from is not improperly originating from a non-domain-owned mail server.? I also make this statement based on experience with Y! groups. I guess I need to open this over on the beta group.? Thank you for letting me know where to go with this issue.
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HELP Please!!! [transferring a Yahoo Group]
Hello, I'm not understanding Step 2. ? I'm trying to transfer our yahoo Group but I don't understand how to do step 2 of the Easy Group Transfer process. I don't have a clue how or where or from where to send the invite.
I've had 2 stroke's and confuse easily, I'm so sorry I have to bother you all. But I really want to get our group going on groups.io and get RID of yahoo!
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Please help me, please. Thank you.
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Blessings to all,
SandyB
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Re: Is there a way to force "via groups.io"?
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Pete, Sorry for the delayed response. My day job has kept me busier than normal lately and I've neglected a backlog of messages. That is correct regarding SPFs and that is why a server doing SPF
checking is going to consider an email "from" domain X is invalid
because it came from groups.io servers. This is incorrect -- Groups.io's messages pass SPF. That's because SPF tests the envelope-From, not the header-From. During the handshake between Groups.io's server and the receiving email service Groups.io's server correctly presents its own domain during the SMTP transaction (envelope-From). My example has nothing to do with DMARC but shows how "spoofing" that
an email is directly from someone is, in fact, a red flag to proper
email handling. Other mail lists do not do this type of spoofing and
are therefore not blocked. Historically leaving the header-From address unmodified was typical email list behavior. Now many do replace the header From, but not all. Yahoo Groups didn't make this change until the advent of DMARC, which was a "forcing function" for many lists. It was not until DMARC introduced the requirement that the header-From be /aligned/ with the envelope-From that many email lists began experiencing deliverability problems, and changed their handling of the From: header field. There are servers that do not use DMARC records but still block email
for internal domains that appear to originate from outside. Those servers really should be using the envelope-From, not the header-From for blocking purposes, matching the implementation of SPF. At worst, an internal header-From domain arriving from outside should be a demerit in the server's spam filter. Worse, this is not explained anywhere in groups.io information on what
would cause bouncing that was not occurring in groups that get
transferred and we are stuck with the transfer and a large number of
users who no longer can use the service. Groups.io's practice does not cause bouncing, nor is it causing a problems for Groups.io's users. Mark is very sensitive to deliverability issues and if it were a problem he'd be on it. You indicated getting this option in "beta". How do I do that and how
do I get my groups set up to be part of that beta? As you may have figured out in the mean time, beta is just a group; there is no separate beta test platform. Anyone can join the group and post there. It serves as Groups.io's official "suggestion board". Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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