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'Not Confirmed' in italian is 'Non Confermato'

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 03:45 PM, KWKloeber wrote:

It seems incongruous to me to have an option in the admin settings to hide members’ access to member info (membership list) but then circulate email addresses.?

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What am I missing?

Generally, compromises have been made to get groups.io to function as well as possible with the widest variety of mail clients, some of which don't honor internet email standards.

1. It's hard to implement any "Reply to Sender" functionality if the sender's email address isn't in the From: line of the message header.
2. Groups.io could bury that information in the Reply-to: line and most people wouldn't know to look there, but there are several mail clients that don't honor RFC2822 and use the From: line anyway.?
3.?Any "bad guys" that are out to harvest email addresses are probably savvy enough to mine the whole header, too.
4. By definition, lurkers don't post, so they don't have to worry about it.

Regards,
Bruce

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Barbara:

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 01:31 PM, C. Lensky, Division 1 Director wrote:

Kind of stymmies people from voting if they know that admins and owners can all see how they voted.

Well, no one is forcing you to tell them.? :)

Seems like it would not be a difficult thing to implement just toss the 'who' part of the responds to a trash bin folder.

At a minimum, voter information would still have to be retained internally, so as to keep people from voting more than once.?

Anonymity aside, there are plenty of other reasons to be disenchanted with the groups.io polling system. To me, the main one is that people must log in to vote. Many subscribers struggle with this, or at least don't try very hard to figure it out. Instead, they often reply via email...which eliminates any chance of keeping their votes secret anyway.

Even when explicit instructions are provided and you put a hashtag on the poll topic so people can't reply, forcing subscribers to jump through any kind of technical hoop is bound to skew the results.
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Regards,
Bruce

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On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 12:04 PM, Dario Gabrielli wrote:

I noticed that one person subscribed (Elio) in the email column appears two letters IL on a fuchsia red background. What does this mean?

When you've chosen Italian for your language preference, you will see IL instead of the NC that English speakers see.? Unfortunately, the Help manuals are not yet available in languages other than English, but you can find information about NC (and the other badges) in the Owners Manual.? Maybe you could enlighten us on what the translation would be for Not Confirmed so that it shows as IL?

Duane
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Thank you Duane and Peter.

I was hoping we could do a poll where an admin and/or owner could not look at how the members voted. Kind of stymmies people from voting if they know that admins and owners can all see how they voted. Seems like it would not be a difficult thing to implement just toss the 'who' part of the responds to a trash bin folder.

With Kind Regards.
Celestia?

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 01:22 PM, Donald Hellen wrote:

I don't understand why a group would allow this option since the non-member
can't really participate and receive replies to his/her post anyway, but it is
an option (sometimes set because this was overlooked when setting up the group).

Well, here's a why allow emails from non-members of the group.

I belong to several groups related to committees for my housing. ?On occasion, someone who is not a committee member will want to contact the committee. We allow non-members to send messages so the committee can read it for themselves. I remind them that the person won't get replies. I summarize what we want to share and email the person.

They are moderated, but it happens rarely.

Frances


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On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 01:14 PM, Frances wrote:

Looking at the list of subscribers to the group that I attach , I noticed that one person subscribed (Elio) in the email column appears two letters IL on a fuchsia red background. What does this mean?

I think it is part of the Internationalization project that Mark mentioned in February in Beta.?

Frances


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Paul . . .


On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 04:13:32 -0800, "Paul Grosse via groups.io"
<nylanfs@...> wrote:

How would they reply to a message if they weren't a member and hadn't received it directly? I would treat it that as they replied to an obvious mailing list they wish to be subscribed.

They weren't replying to any message, as they can't receive messages from the
group as a non-member (they never saw a post from the group). They were only
sending a message TO the group, and the group settings apparently allow for
that, but those messages are moderated. This prevents spamming the group by
non-members.

I don't understand why a group would allow this option since the non-member
can't really participate and receive replies to his/her post anyway, but it is
an option (sometimes set because this was overlooked when setting up the group).


Donald



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On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 01:04 PM, Dario Gabrielli wrote:

Looking at the list of subscribers to the group that I attach , I noticed that one person subscribed (Elio) in the email column appears two letters IL on a fuchsia red background. What does this mean?

I looked in badges and don't see "IL". He properly has NMM as do the others.

/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/additional-information/member-badges-and-topic-icons?single=true
I looked in Beta group and couldn't see anything.?

Anyone know about this IL in Members in Admin?

Any clue, Dario, if you go to the member's record in Admin? Anything in Notes? IL could be Italian language, but really that is a guess!

Frances

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Good morning,

I have created a list on groups.io of people to whom I send messages regarding a Mailing List I own.

Looking at the list of subscribers to the group that I attach , I noticed that one person subscribed (Elio) in the email column appears two letters IL on a fuchsia red background. What does this mean?

Thanking

Dario

Mod's note - while the screenshot was useful, it seems that it also was a privacy issue. Deleted.

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 06:21 AM, Paul Grosse wrote:

How would they reply to a message if they weren't a member and hadn't received it directly?

I don't see where it was a reply they sent, just a message.

Duane
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How would they reply to a message if they weren't a member and hadn't received it directly? I would treat it that as they replied to an obvious mailing list they wish to be subscribed.

On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 05:05 PM, Walter Townsend wrote:

They will automatically just charge whatever payment card you have on file.

If needed.? Many are now using Sponsorship to pay, even if it's the owner doing it.? That way you don't have to leave a credit card number in the system here, or can use Paypal.

Duane
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I'm not in the mood to screw up my main group and it scares me that it says "lock this group" and NOT "lock this sub-group" so I'll leave it for another day to "experiment" if it will really lock the sub-group and not the main group.

_._,_._,

When in doubt look at the breadcrumb trail panel up top, it shows you where you are.? For example,



If you see Main in there in the second part (after the | ) or whatever else you may have named the main group, then you are not in a subgroup but in the main one.

Cheers,
Christos

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AOL filters the spam mail and gio is not “blocked” in my settings. ?AOL nortoriously sends stuff to my junk folder even if the address is not on the list to block.?

Remember to ensure that your payment source is current and active.

Under Admin > Billing you can check to see which card you paid with and, if it's expired you can update it if neccesary before the billing due date.

OK — HTH

Paul M.
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Andy,

No, they were not shoing up, but....

I refreshed the home page of my just-set-up new group one more time and, ah-HA, the posted messages all finally showed up, so all is well!

Cheers!

Paul M.
Group owner: 'RecipesFromScratch' & 'CostaRicaLiving'
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Remember that Groups uses the common noun "group" to refer to ALL groups - both main and subgroups. If you are in the settings for a subgroup, then whatever you are seeing referred to as "group" is the subgroup. So, if you are locking or unlocking a subgroup it will always ask you "Lock this group" - it means the subgroup, not your main group.

Ginny