Re: PEC keeps turning off
Hi Paul,
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I will follow your suggestion. I have cloudy nights for the next week, I can try in the future.
Looking at those timestamp of events, they may be I was doing the reset. I used the web UI to cold restart the mount. what I noticed was that the mount kept rebooting if I stayed on the web page for cold reboot. I think the web browser kept refresh the web page when it cannot load the page. When it load web page after boot, it sends reboot commands again by refreshing the web page. 3 days ago, I was trying to figure out why my mount points to the wrong direction and I found out I set reverse RA.
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Thank you,
Seokman
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Re: Gemini-2 partially locked-up!?
Hi masami,
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Like I asked Seokman, can you please go to the Gemini.NET virtual hand controller, connect to Gemini and collect a troubleshooter log zip file and upload it here? Seokman appears to have a number of WD Reset events in his logs, which often indicates a problem with memory and settings -- possibly a bad 3v battery.
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Re: PEC keeps turning off
On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 05:41 PM, Seokman Han wrote:
Hi Paul,
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I uploaded the reporting Zip file to files section.
One more thing I noticed is that when I click on Setup -> Advanced Gemini Settings..., I get an error message saying 'Communications error' However I can still click on any of 'Get Settings From Gemini' from the settings screen and it gets settings from the Gemini.
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Thank you,
Seokman
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Hi Seokman,
Thanks for uploading this! Looking into Gemini status log, it appears you've been experiencing very frequent restarts after a watchdog reset events (WD Reset). Here are some of the latest:
26264.88672 PECWormPos 7858, Restarted after WD Reset. UTC Date_Time 2025.02.26_04:57:01
26288.96875 PECWormPos 8755, Restarted after WD Reset. UTC Date_Time 2025.02.26_04:57:25
73736.87500 PECWormPos 8755, Restarted after WD Reset. UTC Date_Time 2025.02.26_18:06:03
17371.02344 PECWormPos 8755, Cold Started. UTC Date_Time 2025.02.27_02:25:14
25675.89844 PECWormPos 37, Cold Start enforced. UTC Date_Time 2025.02.28_04:39:21
67953.90625 PECWormPos 40, Cold Start enforced. UTC Date_Time 2025.02.28_16:22:04
85109.25000 PECWormPos 10592, Cold Started. UTC Date_Time 2025.02.28_21:07:12
3077.89062 PECWormPos 22084, Restarted after WD Reset. UTC Date_Time 2025.02.28_22:19:49
3241.95703 PECWormPos 12939, Restarted after WD Reset. UTC Date_Time 2025.02.28_22:22:33
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I would suggest you try the following sequence of tests:
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1. Replace the internal 3v battery with a new one
2. Reset Gemini to all default settings
3. After populating all the right settings, try to see if the problem re-occurs
4. If yes, you may want to try to re-flash Gemini firmware, then repeat at step 2.
5. If that doesn't work, I'll need some help from Rene or one of our repairers to see if there's a problem with Gemini memory.
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Re: Gemini-2 partially locked-up!?
I do see the same pattern on my ASCOM log file.
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01:57:21.910 UDP connection ? ? ? ? ? ?TID:11 [2]: gemini, 11110
01:57:21.910 Looking up DHCP name ? ? ?TID:11 [2]: gemini
01:57:23.762 IT:PulseGuide5 ? ? ? ? ? ?TID:9 [Enter] guideWest, 160
01:57:23.762 IT:CanPulseGuide.Get ? ? ?TID:9 [Enter] True
01:57:24.638 Exception ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? TID:11 [Error]: System.Net.Sockets.SocketException (0x80004005): No such host is known[0D][0A] ? at System.Net.Dns.GetAddrInfo(String name)[0D][0A] ? at System.Net.Dns.InternalGetHostByName(String hostName, Boolean includeIPv6)[0D][0A] ? at System.Net.Dns.GetHostAddresses(String hostNameOrAddress)[0D][0A] ? at ASCOM.GeminiTelescope.Gemini5Hardware.ConnectToEthernet() in C:\Users\ypa\Documents\Ascom.Gemini.Telescope\GeminiTelescope\Gemini5Hardware.cs:line 242[0D][0A] ? at ASCOM.GeminiTelescope.GeminiHardwareBase.Connect() in C:\Users\ypa\Documents\Ascom.Gemini.Telescope\GeminiTelescope\GeminiHardware.cs:line 2883
01:57:24.648 IT:Connected.Set ? ? ? ? ?TID:11 [Enter] False
01:57:24.648 Disconnect() ? ? ? ? ? ? ?TID:11 [Enter]?
01:57:24.648 Current connect state ? ? TID:11 [2]: False
01:57:24.648 Remaining clients ? ? ? ? TID:11 [2]: 0
01:57:24.648 No more clients, disconne TID:11 [2]:?
01:57:24.648 Closing serial port ? ? ? TID:11 [2]:?
01:57:24.648 Serial port closed ? ? ? ?TID:11 [2]:?
01:57:24.648 Closing Ethernet connecti TID:11 [2]:?
01:57:24.648 DisconnectToEthernet ? ? ?TID:11 [Enter]?
01:57:24.648 DisconnectToEthernet ? ? ?TID:11 [Exit]?
01:57:24.648 Closed Ethernet connectio TID:11 [2]:?
01:57:24.649 Closing pass-through port TID:11 [2]:?
01:57:24.649 Pass-through port closed ?TID:11 [2]:?
01:57:24.649 Disconnect() ? ? ? ? ? ? ?TID:11 [Exit]?
01:57:24.649 IT:Connected.Set ? ? ? ? ?TID:11 [Exit] False
01:57:26.382 IT:PulseGuide5 ? ? ? ? ? ?TID:11 [Enter] guideWest, 40
01:57:26.383 IT:CanPulseGuide.Get ? ? ?TID:11 [Enter] True
01:57:28.985 IT:PulseGuide5 ? ? ? ? ? ?TID:11 [Enter] guideWest, 54
01:57:28.986 IT:CanPulseGuide.Get ? ? ?TID:11 [Enter] True
01:57:31.594 IT:PulseGuide5 ? ? ? ? ? ?TID:11 [Enter] guideWest, 64
01:57:31.595 IT:CanPulseGuide.Get ? ? ?TID:11 [Enter] True
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It looks like it got disconnected at 1:57:24 because my computer could not communicate with Gemini any longer, but the guiding command continued until 02:31:50
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Paul
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Re: Gemini-2 partially locked-up!?
Hi Paul,
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Thank you for your guick feedback.
Yes, after I found my Gemini-2 was disconnected, I tried to connect to it from the virtual HC several times.? But no avail.
At that time, as I wrote before, its HC was alive, and I could confirm its network IP address (192.168.111.22) unchanged from the HC.? However I could not move the mount by pressing the button.? Then I powered off and on the unit, I could connect to Gemini through the remote PC, and move the mount as usual.? Because It was late, I didn't test it further.? I think its internal battery is OK.? Is it better to reset the unit by removing the battery and/or reflash it, though I don't want to lose its PEC data?
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Best regards,
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masami
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Re: PEC keeps turning off
Hi Paul,
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I uploaded the reporting Zip file to files section.
One more thing I noticed is that when I click on Setup -> Advanced Gemini Settings..., I get an error message saying 'Communications error' However I can still click on any of 'Get Settings From Gemini' from the settings screen and it gets settings from the Gemini.
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Thank you,
Seokman
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Re: Gemini-2 partially locked-up!?
On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 01:37 PM, YAMADA masami wrote:
During my guiding session, suddenly PHD2 reported that the mount was not connected on the remote desktop screen.? Indeed the virtual HC's connect button showed "connect."??So I went to the roof and checked the status of the mount.? The unit was powered on and HC's menus were responsive, but the mount failed to move when I pressed the button.? After powering the unit again, it returned normal so far.
I remember this is the second time.? When I encountered this kind of issue for the first time, the unit was totally locked up, any button on the HC screen was unresponsive, if I recall correctly.
I don't know if there is any clue in the log, but I put the ASCOM log file in User_Logs_error_files_and_suggestions folder of Files.
I'm afraid my Gemini-2 becoming faulty.
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Thanks in advance,
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masami
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Hi masami,
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Thanks for the log. A bit of a strange behavior from PHD2 -- it appears that at some point Gemini did not respond to a command to get simple RA/DEC position. After a few attempts to retransmit the request, the driver shut down the connection to Gemini. It then reported the connection closed to PHD2, yet it appears that PHD2 continued to try to guide for quite a while:
02:00:29.308 Disconnect() ? ? ? ? ? ? ?TID:13 [Exit]?
02:00:29.309 IT:Connected.Set ? ? ? ? ?TID:13 [Exit] False
02:00:29.310 IT:InterfaceVersion.Get ? TID:13 [Enter] 2
02:00:30.367 IT:PulseGuide5 ? ? ? ? ? ?TID:13 [Enter] guideWest, 1387
02:00:30.370 IT:CanPulseGuide.Get ? ? ?TID:13 [Enter] True
02:00:30.373 IT:PulseGuide5 ? ? ? ? ? ?TID:13 [Enter] guideSouth, 403
02:00:30.373 IT:CanPulseGuide.Get ? ? ?TID:13 [Enter] True
02:00:32.041 IT:PulseGuide5 ? ? ? ? ? ?TID:13 [Enter] guideEast, 251
02:00:32.042 IT:CanPulseGuide.Get ? ? ?TID:13 [Enter] True
02:00:32.048 IT:PulseGuide5 ? ? ? ? ? ?TID:13 [Enter] guideSouth, 1528
02:00:32.049 IT:CanPulseGuide.Get ? ? ?TID:13 [Enter] True
02:00:33.677 IT:PulseGuide5 ? ? ? ? ? ?TID:13 [Enter] guideEast, 973
02:00:33.677 IT:CanPulseGuide.Get ? ? ?TID:13 [Enter] True
02:00:33.682 IT:PulseGuide5 ? ? ? ? ? ?TID:13 [Enter] guideSouth, 2331
02:00:33.684 IT:CanPulseGuide.Get ? ? ?TID:13 [Enter] True
02:00:35.314 IT:PulseGuide5 ? ? ? ? ? ?TID:7 [Enter] guideEast, 2500
02:00:35.317 IT:CanPulseGuide.Get ? ? ?TID:7 [Enter] True
02:00:35.321 IT:PulseGuide5 ? ? ? ? ? ?TID:7 [Enter] guideSouth, 2500
02:00:35.322 IT:CanPulseGuide.Get ? ? ?TID:7 [Enter] True
02:00:36.954 IT:PulseGuide5 ? ? ? ? ? ?TID:7 [Enter] guideEast, 2500
02:00:36.955 IT:CanPulseGuide.Get ? ? ?TID:7 [Enter] True
02:00:36.960 IT:PulseGuide5 ? ? ? ? ? ?TID:7 [Enter] guideSouth, 2500
02:00:36.961 IT:CanPulseGuide.Get ? ? ?TID:7 [Enter] True
02:00:38.605 IT:PulseGuide5 ? ? ? ? ? ?TID:7 [Enter] guideEast, 2500
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and so on... for quite a while. Looks like you tried to connect to Gemini from the driver at some point later, but Gemini didn't respond after multiple attempts. Did Gemini work after you rebooted it? Does the physical hand controller on Gemini work? Did you check that its IP address or other network settings didn't change for some reason? If you have different Ethernet cables, switch, or a different PC, can you try connecting them to Gemini using ASCOM driver and see if it can connect? I'm trying to eliminate any external reasons for failure before trying to diagnose Gemini.
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Regards,
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Re: PEC keeps turning off
On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 04:30 PM, Seokman Han wrote:
I actually updated to the new firmware and the software in January and noticed this PEC turning off problem. Last couple of nights I? got clear nights and both nights PEC appears to be off from looking at the PHD log file even though I had PEC checkbox was on. I don't know if this is a related issue or not, but the last couple of nights Gemini became unresponsive in the middle of night. It was disconnected from NINA, and I could not bring up the web page in the morning. I connected the hand controller, and the HC kept rebooting. I'm using 6.1 Gemini firmware. 1.1.28.0 Driver, 7.0.2 ASCOM Platform, and 3.1 HF2 NINA software. I will try to capture ASCOM log.
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If PEC checkbox is on in the driver virtual hand-controller, then Gemini is reporting that PEC is being used. But, Gemini becoming unresponsive sounds like a bigger issue.?
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If you use Ethernet to connect to Gemini, can you start Gemini.NET ASCOM driver, connect to the mount, and then go to Menu->Setup->Troubleshooting Report... Select all options in the list, and press Collect and Save button. Then, upload the resulting zip file to the Files section. This will include your ASCOM logs, as well as, a lot more information from Gemini.
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Regards,
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Re: PEC keeps turning off
I actually updated to the new firmware and the software in January and noticed this PEC turning off problem. Last couple of nights I? got clear nights and both nights PEC appears to be off from looking at the PHD log file even though I had PEC checkbox was on. I don't know if this is a related issue or not, but the last couple of nights Gemini became unresponsive in the middle of night. It was disconnected from NINA, and I could not bring up the web page in the morning. I connected the hand controller, and the HC kept rebooting. I'm using 6.1 Gemini firmware. 1.1.28.0 Driver, 7.0.2 ASCOM Platform, and 3.1 HF2 NINA software. I will try to capture ASCOM log.
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Thank you,
Seokman
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Re: Losmandy with ASI Air or Stellarmate pro will they work?
On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 03:32 AM, <drice34@...> wrote:
I might end up going with Stellarmate. Apparently, ASI AIR does not like long focal lengths when plate solving/polar aligning Next Star C8 (2000mm). I will eventually get a focal reducer.
Regardless I like what it has to offer and needed confirmation it would work with Gemeni 2.
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I know the ASIAIR plate solves just fine on my M10" LX200 f/6.3 SCT which has significant coma at the outer edges.? While I have not personally tried it on the M8" LX200 f/10 ACF OTA but based on the calcs and ACF OTA's nice star shapes in the outer FOV I think it will be fine.? At some point I will try it but I have not tried this so far.??
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Gemini-2 partially locked-up!?
During my guiding session, suddenly PHD2 reported that the mount was not connected on the remote desktop screen.? Indeed the virtual HC's connect button showed "connect."??So I went to the roof and checked the status of the mount.? The unit was powered on and HC's menus were responsive, but the mount failed to move when I pressed the button.? After powering the unit again, it returned normal so far.
I remember this is the second time.? When I encountered this kind of issue for the first time, the unit was totally locked up, any button on the HC screen was unresponsive, if I recall correctly.
I don't know if there is any clue in the log, but I put the ASCOM log file in User_Logs_error_files_and_suggestions folder of Files.
I'm afraid my Gemini-2 becoming faulty.
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Thanks in advance,
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masami
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Re: Hand Controller (HC) Won't Respond to Touch
Brendan,
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Thanks for your comments. I'll look into Michael and David.?
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Ken
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Re: PEC keeps turning off
Seokman,
You are not alone. I¡¯ve had the same thing happening to me for a few months now. It happens every session. At this point I check to see if PEC is still enabled after the sequence has been running a while and it consistently has been deselected at some point. I¡¯ve considered it a nuisance since my PEC on/vs PEC off performance is only about a 0.2 arcsec difference, I check fairly early in the sequence, and it seems to stay on after I manually enable it at that time again.?
It¡¯s been cloudy so my mount is inside but I¡¯ll grab my logs, ASCOM driver version, NINA version, and Gemini2 firmware version this weekend so we can compare notes.?
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Re: PEC keeps turning off
On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 03:17 AM, Seokman Han wrote:
I just upgraded Gemini firmware and ASCOM 7 software and the mount keeps turning off PEC while doing imaging session.
Sometimes I see PEC checkbox is unchecked from Gemini hand controller screen. I also noticed from PHD log viewer after imaging night.
I don't really know if this is really related to the firmware and software update since I don't have old data.
I use NINA software to control everything. Is there any log in the Gemini to tell me why it turned off PEC?
It keeps turning off in the middle of a session, not at the beginning? That's strange.
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ASCOM 7 is the common ASCOM platform across all mounts and devices, it doesn't know anything about Gemini or how to talk to it, or, how to turn on or off PEC. That's the job of the Gemini.NET ASCOM driver. Did you update that as well? What version of the driver do you have installed? The driver generates logs for the session, as well as, NINA. You can check both logs for errors or possibly disconnects.
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I just upgraded Gemini firmware and ASCOM 7 software and the mount keeps turning off PEC while doing imaging session.
Sometimes I see PEC checkbox is unchecked from Gemini hand controller screen. I also noticed from PHD log viewer after imaging night.
I don't really know if this is really related to the firmware and software update since I don't have old data.
I use NINA software to control everything. Is there any log in the Gemini to tell me why it turned off PEC?
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Re: Hand Controller (HC) Won't Respond to Touch
Kenneth. ?I¡¯m pretty sure this early 1st ver HC is no longer supported by Losmandy ? ?Mainly due to lack of displays available and obsolescence of this display and other parts and improving the design.
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Spare displays for these 1st ver HC dried up a long time ago. ?Losmandy also improved the HC design and concentrated on these as they could much more easily obtain parts by the 1000¡¯s and frankly they were better?
But I understand you¡¯d rather get yours fixed. ?as would I! ?From Losmandy¡¯s POV they would rather commercially concentrate on their better ver 2 & 3 HC¡¯s ?as their 1st ver displays ran out.?
David, Myself and Michael (maybe Rene¡¯) got the last 1st ver displays available and can easily R&R them. ? It was a hassle getting them.?
Michael and David are your best bet. ?FWIW.?
cheers
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Re: February 29th abnormality
I just fired up Gemini and noticed that same date anomaly. Time is fine.? Attached are some screenshots that might help.??
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Does not seem to have any affect on the performance.? Goto's worked just fine.??
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Chris N
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Forgot to add that I had that same "issue" last year.? Hopefully this link works.? If not search for "HC Date Display Not Correct".
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/g/Gemini-II/topic/104088832#msg26067
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Re: February 29th abnormality
¸é±ð²Ô¨¦, David,
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Naturally there are several ways to look at the usage of these words, but IMHO - when used in this context "Built" refers to a previous action, whereas "Build" refers to the current condition. I consider the version and revision current conditions.
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Therefore, I vote for "Build".
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(Or better yet, don't append the date and just use the version.revision like the Servo controllers do.)
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Ed
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Re: February 29th abnormality
Though TBH ¡°Built¡± works well also ?
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From: David C. Partridge <david.partridge@...>
Sent: 27 February 2025 08:31
To: '[email protected]' <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Gemini-II_io] February 29th abnormality? I¡¯d normally say build for a build number with out obvious meaning.?? For a date, I would say ¡°Build Date¡± ? ? Hi Ed,
Thanks for the detailed description! I'll check this. If I should find something I can't supply a fix until tomorrow, but I guarantee to fix that in time before February 2026! ;)
Firmware "Built" or "Build"... What's better?
Thank you,
¸é±ð²Ô¨¦ Am 27.02.25 um 01:14 schrieb 100e9Stars via groups.io: After performing a recent firmware update on a Gemini II mini-controller on a GM811 (received new from Losmandy in early 2022), I noticed that the Hand Controller is displaying February 29th in the lower right corner, regardless of the actual date. With my time zone offset (-7) this only occurs between the civil hours of 17:00:00 to 23:59:59 for any date in February and the year is 2025 or three year increments thereof (i.e. 2028, 2031, etc.). If the HC's 'Menu / Time' screen -and/or- the web page 'Time' are displayed while the incorrect date is shown, the date setting boxes show the correct date! With other time zones, the abnormality start time changes accordingly but the end time remains the same. In addition, the initial GOTO pointing accuracy after a 'CWD / Cold Start' is within the expected error even with the Feb. 29th date being shown. Hopefully this can be duplicated, and is not an isolated issue with my controllers. To confirm this - on the HC set the time zone offset to any valid negative value (AFAIK the problem does not appear with positive offsets), set the civil date to any day in February with a year as mentioned above, and set the civil time to (23:59:50 + time zone) and hit 'Set' at the bottom of the screen. After the display returns to the Home Screen, watch the date in the lower right corner jump from the set one to Feb.29th when the time rolls over to the next whole hour. If the year is set to anything other than mentioned, the date remains correct. It appears that the UTC 23:59:59 to 00:00:00 roll over triggers the Feb.29th date, and the civil 23:59:59 to 00:00:00 roll over corrects it. I have used GFU V1.0.0.32 to reload both the mainboard and HC firmware several times. The current firmware shown on the HC 'Menu / HC / Info' is : Mainboard ? ? ? ? - Level 6.10, Built Nov.5, 2024 HC ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- V1.63, Build Oct.14, 2024 (Dumb question : why does one say 'Built' and the other say 'Build'?) I have performed the 'Reset HGM Defaults' and 'SRAM Reset' then reload from file, and have cleaned the contacts and reseated both micro SD cards, all without any improvement. By the way the micro SD cards are from Losmandy as part of their 'Level 6 Upgrade Kit' that I purchased last summer. The backup battery voltage is 3.01V, with the main battery reporting 14.98V. Other than what appears to be a 'cosmetic abnormality / annoyance', this mount and controllers perform flawlessly!? I know it's late in February 2025, but I didn't want to get caught off guard in February 2028....
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Re: February 29th abnormality
I¡¯d normally say build for a build number with out obvious meaning.?? For a date, I would say ¡°Build Date¡± ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rene Goerlich
Sent: 27 February 2025 07:04
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Gemini-II_io] February 29th abnormality? Hi Ed,
Thanks for the detailed description! I'll check this. If I should find something I can't supply a fix until tomorrow, but I guarantee to fix that in time before February 2026! ;)
Firmware "Built" or "Build"... What's better?
Thank you,
¸é±ð²Ô¨¦
Am 27.02.25 um 01:14 schrieb 100e9Stars via groups.io: After performing a recent firmware update on a Gemini II mini-controller on a GM811 (received new from Losmandy in early 2022), I noticed that the Hand Controller is displaying February 29th in the lower right corner, regardless of the actual date. With my time zone offset (-7) this only occurs between the civil hours of 17:00:00 to 23:59:59 for any date in February and the year is 2025 or three year increments thereof (i.e. 2028, 2031, etc.). If the HC's 'Menu / Time' screen -and/or- the web page 'Time' are displayed while the incorrect date is shown, the date setting boxes show the correct date! With other time zones, the abnormality start time changes accordingly but the end time remains the same. In addition, the initial GOTO pointing accuracy after a 'CWD / Cold Start' is within the expected error even with the Feb. 29th date being shown. Hopefully this can be duplicated, and is not an isolated issue with my controllers. To confirm this - on the HC set the time zone offset to any valid negative value (AFAIK the problem does not appear with positive offsets), set the civil date to any day in February with a year as mentioned above, and set the civil time to (23:59:50 + time zone) and hit 'Set' at the bottom of the screen. After the display returns to the Home Screen, watch the date in the lower right corner jump from the set one to Feb.29th when the time rolls over to the next whole hour. If the year is set to anything other than mentioned, the date remains correct. It appears that the UTC 23:59:59 to 00:00:00 roll over triggers the Feb.29th date, and the civil 23:59:59 to 00:00:00 roll over corrects it. I have used GFU V1.0.0.32 to reload both the mainboard and HC firmware several times. The current firmware shown on the HC 'Menu / HC / Info' is : Mainboard ? ? ? ? - Level 6.10, Built Nov.5, 2024 HC ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- V1.63, Build Oct.14, 2024 (Dumb question : why does one say 'Built' and the other say 'Build'?) I have performed the 'Reset HGM Defaults' and 'SRAM Reset' then reload from file, and have cleaned the contacts and reseated both micro SD cards, all without any improvement. By the way the micro SD cards are from Losmandy as part of their 'Level 6 Upgrade Kit' that I purchased last summer. The backup battery voltage is 3.01V, with the main battery reporting 14.98V. Other than what appears to be a 'cosmetic abnormality / annoyance', this mount and controllers perform flawlessly!? I know it's late in February 2025, but I didn't want to get caught off guard in February 2028....
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Paul Kanevsky
Chip Louie
Ryan Noonan
David C. Partridge