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Dominion lawyer lays out in painstaking detail why Fox News messed with the wrong company

Dominion lawyer lays out in painstaking detail why Fox News messed with the wrong company
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I'm not a lawyer¡ªsimple country,?, or otherwise¡ªbut I have to think that knowingly spreading lies about the one thing a company does, thereby shredding that company's credibility in the eyes of millions of Americans, is kind of a big deal ... and might just get you in a wee bit of trouble.

Like if I said I'd stayed at a Trump hotel (which I've never done, for the record) and claimed my black-light inspection revealed a veritable Jackson Pollock installation of unaccounted-for horrors ... and that the bedbugs emptied more blood from me than an gin-besotted phlebotomist could ever dream of ... and that the vegan mango salsa was just a bit on the tart side¡ªwell, I'd expect to receive a clammy yellow fuck-jumble of a letter from the large man himself.

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In other words, you can't just say¡ªor promote¡ªany fool thing you want to, especially if you know it isn't true.

Which is where Fox News comes in. On Friday,?, which comes on the heels of a similar suit??seeking a whopping $2.7 billion in damages.

And, damn, it really looks like this thing might have legs.

This morning, Dominion Votings Systems attorney Stephen Shackleford joined Brian Stelter on CNN's?Reliable Sources?to explain just how fucked Fox may be.

It went a little something like this:

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CNN 03 28 2021 11 18 02

SHACKLEFORD: "As you know, part of proving that a statement is defamatory is to prove that it was made either knowing the statements were false or with reckless disregard for the truth. You pointed out to your viewers that our complaint lays out in gory detail over days and days and weeks in November and December of last year, Fox kept spouting these lies about Dominion, these devastating lies about Dominion on their airwaves even while they were being told the truth over and over again.

"And yes, they were told the truth by Dominion. Dominion sent multiple emails and letters and retraction demands, but there was also a chorus of bipartisan officials explaining how these lies were false¡ªhow the election, how Dominion machines performed as they were supposed to and accurately counted the votes."

STELTER: "How do you respond to the argument that Fox has already made against Smartmatic, which is, 'We were just covering matters of legitimate public interest. There was a grand debate going on about the election results, and we were just airing all sides of the matter'?"

SHACKLEFORD: "So Fox was not reporting the news with these reports that are outlined in our complaint. Fox was not giving voice to some grand political debate. Fox was repeatedly stating as fact, putting on Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani and also with their own anchors endorsing what Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani were saying, all these lies about Dominion and they were stating them as fact. And you're right, they did have a Dominion spokesperson on at one point; it was much smaller viewership for that show, and Fox did not promote it like they promoted the [Maria] Bartiromo and the [Lou] Dobbs and other shows they put throughout their massive social media network. But as you also know, Brian, you can't get away with defamation by saying the truth in the morning and then lying through your teeth in the afternoon. That doesn't cut it. If that were the case then all any media organization would have to do is issue a retraction ¡­ after they've done all the damage, and that would be it, but that's not the law of defamation."

Damn, that doesn't sound good for Fox at all.

Of course, complicating Fox's defense is the fact that the network snapped to attention after Smartmatic sent the network a letter demanding a retraction,??during shows hosted by three of Fox's smarmiest liars¡ªJeanine Pirro, Maria Bartiromo, and Lou Dobbs. (Dobbs has?.)

Does anyone really think Fox didn't know what it was doing? After Fox called Arizona for Joe Biden on election night, it looked like its viewers were poised to abandon the network for loopier la la lands like OANN and Newsmax, so it needed to tighten its hold on the barmy Trumpbots it had nurtured over the previous four years.

What better way to do that than suck up to Trump with renewed vigor?

Ah, but now the sword of Damocles looms. The only question that remains is, will it take just a few fingers or lop off an entire limb?


 

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What¡¯s amazing is that they never seemed to consider that any of them might be actually held accountable for these bogus claims, clearly unprovable, repeated ad nauseum. ?They¡¯re going after Trump too supposedly¡­ oh, look how they run!

Should be fun to watch.

Sal?


On Mar 30, 2021, at 8:39 AM, awb via <abater@...> wrote:

Dominion lawyer lays out in painstaking detail why Fox News messed with the wrong company

Dominion lawyer lays out in painstaking detail why Fox News messed with the wrong company
Screengrab.
?
?

I'm not a lawyer¡ªsimple country,?, or otherwise¡ªbut I have to think that knowingly spreading lies about the one thing a company does, thereby shredding that company's credibility in the eyes of millions of Americans, is kind of a big deal ... and might just get you in a wee bit of trouble.

Like if I said I'd stayed at a Trump hotel (which I've never done, for the record) and claimed my black-light inspection revealed a veritable Jackson Pollock installation of unaccounted-for horrors ... and that the bedbugs emptied more blood from me than an gin-besotted phlebotomist could ever dream of ... and that the vegan mango salsa was just a bit on the tart side¡ªwell, I'd expect to receive a clammy yellow fuck-jumble of a letter from the large man himself.

?

In other words, you can't just say¡ªor promote¡ªany fool thing you want to, especially if you know it isn't true.

Which is where Fox News comes in. On Friday,?, which comes on the heels of a similar suit??seeking a whopping $2.7 billion in damages.

And, damn, it really looks like this thing might have legs.

This morning, Dominion Votings Systems attorney Stephen Shackleford joined Brian Stelter on CNN's?Reliable Sources?to explain just how fucked Fox may be.

It went a little something like this:

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CNN 03 28 2021 11 18 02

SHACKLEFORD: "As you know, part of proving that a statement is defamatory is to prove that it was made either knowing the statements were false or with reckless disregard for the truth. You pointed out to your viewers that our complaint lays out in gory detail over days and days and weeks in November and December of last year, Fox kept spouting these lies about Dominion, these devastating lies about Dominion on their airwaves even while they were being told the truth over and over again.

"And yes, they were told the truth by Dominion. Dominion sent multiple emails and letters and retraction demands, but there was also a chorus of bipartisan officials explaining how these lies were false¡ªhow the election, how Dominion machines performed as they were supposed to and accurately counted the votes."

STELTER: "How do you respond to the argument that Fox has already made against Smartmatic, which is, 'We were just covering matters of legitimate public interest. There was a grand debate going on about the election results, and we were just airing all sides of the matter'?"

SHACKLEFORD: "So Fox was not reporting the news with these reports that are outlined in our complaint. Fox was not giving voice to some grand political debate. Fox was repeatedly stating as fact, putting on Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani and also with their own anchors endorsing what Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani were saying, all these lies about Dominion and they were stating them as fact. And you're right, they did have a Dominion spokesperson on at one point; it was much smaller viewership for that show, and Fox did not promote it like they promoted the [Maria] Bartiromo and the [Lou] Dobbs and other shows they put throughout their massive social media network. But as you also know, Brian, you can't get away with defamation by saying the truth in the morning and then lying through your teeth in the afternoon. That doesn't cut it. If that were the case then all any media organization would have to do is issue a retraction ¡­ after they've done all the damage, and that would be it, but that's not the law of defamation."

Damn, that doesn't sound good for Fox at all.

Of course, complicating Fox's defense is the fact that the network snapped to attention after Smartmatic sent the network a letter demanding a retraction,??during shows hosted by three of Fox's smarmiest liars¡ªJeanine Pirro, Maria Bartiromo, and Lou Dobbs. (Dobbs has?.)

Does anyone really think Fox didn't know what it was doing? After Fox called Arizona for Joe Biden on election night, it looked like its viewers were poised to abandon the network for loopier la la lands like OANN and Newsmax, so it needed to tighten its hold on the barmy Trumpbots it had nurtured over the previous four years.

What better way to do that than suck up to Trump with renewed vigor?

Ah, but now the sword of Damocles looms. The only question that remains is, will it take just a few fingers or lop off an entire limb?



 

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 09:04 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
What¡¯s amazing is that they never seemed to consider that any of them might be actually held accountable for these bogus claims, clearly unprovable, repeated ad nauseum. ?They¡¯re going after Trump too supposedly¡­ oh, look how they run!
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Should be fun to watch.

Sal?
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Exactly. I refuse to read about trump at all but I will watch his trial.


 

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 09:04 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
What¡¯s amazing is that they never seemed to consider that any of them might be actually held accountable for these bogus claims, clearly unprovable, repeated ad nauseum. ?They¡¯re going after Trump too supposedly¡­ oh, look how they run!
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Should be fun to watch.

Sal?
And now there is this too. They will keep piling up. His entire miserable life will be full of litigation. (PS, I did not read it, just saw the headline.)


WillyTex
 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 08:10 AM, awb wrote:
I refuse to read about trump at all but I will watch his trial.
That's funny! This groups is almost totally about the comings and goings of Donald Trump. YMMV.


WillyTex
 

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 11:04 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
Should be fun to watch.
So, you're thinking about attending the trial in person? Be sure to keep us informed about the details! Thanks.


 

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I believe the former guy is in such a state of acute megalomania he still thinks he¡¯s untouchable. ?And probably nothing will convince him otherwise until they drag him out in handcuffs. If he doesn¡¯t run away first that is, which I actually don¡¯t think he¡¯s in a position to do for a lot of reasons. ?Not that it wouldn¡¯t be hugely entertaining to watch him try.

Adderal and delusions can be a powerful cocktail it seems.?

Sal


On Mar 31, 2021, at 8:13 AM, awb via groups.io <abater@...> wrote:

?On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 09:04 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
What¡¯s amazing is that they never seemed to consider that any of them might be actually held accountable for these bogus claims, clearly unprovable, repeated ad nauseum. ?They¡¯re going after Trump too supposedly¡­ oh, look how they run!
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Should be fun to watch.

Sal?
And now there is this too. They will keep piling up. His entire miserable life will be full of litigation. (PS, I did not read it, just saw the headline.)


 

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On 3/31/21 6:48 AM, WillyTex via groups.io wrote:
On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 08:10 AM, awb wrote:
I refuse to read about trump at all but I will watch his trial.
That's funny! This groups is almost totally about the comings and goings of Donald Trump. YMMV.

It's been known as "The Trump Obsession" for quite some time.? The more they obsess about Trump the more they become like him.



WillyTex
 

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 11:22 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
The more they obsess about Trump the more they become like him.
This kind of sounds like a conspiracy theory. YMMV.

No reasonable person would conclude her unfounded claims of voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election were statements of fact. Go figure.


WillyTex
 

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 11:04 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
What¡¯s amazing is that they never seemed to consider that any of them might be actually held accountable for these bogus claims
This is going to be settled out of court and we'll probably never know what the actual settlement is. But, it looks like Dominion has bit off more that it can chew and now Dominion is getting bit in the ass. YMMV.

MyPillow sued Dominion Voting Systems on April 19 for $1.6 billion, claiming that the election technology company illegally conflicted with the free speech rights of CEO Mike Lindell. Go figure.