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These show the reality, imo.? I'm beginning to seriously consider starting the conversation with my family about immigrating in the next 10 years if the US doesn't change course.? Maybe the pandemic will generate the kind of sea change needed, although the idea that thousands of lives would have to be lost to get people to wake up is depressing.? The Republicans are in power only because of the systemic corruption they are are trading on and continuing to see and breed for the future.? Mitch is actually the most dangerous person in the country.? ??


 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 11:47 AM, Emily Mae wrote:
Re: "...systemic corruption they are are trading on and continuing to see and breed"? Should be *seed* and breed


 

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What are you worried about?? You are on the left coast.? Washington, Oregon and California may break away from the union and form a new country.? The US was always a bad idea.? Native Americans had it right as they saw it as nine nations each for their own unique needs depending on the geography.

On 4/10/20 11:47 AM, Emily Mae via groups.io wrote:

These show the reality, imo.? I'm beginning to seriously consider starting the conversation with my family about immigrating in the next 10 years if the US doesn't change course.? Maybe the pandemic will generate the kind of sea change needed, although the idea that thousands of lives would have to be lost to get people to wake up is depressing.? The Republicans are in power only because of the systemic corruption they are are trading on and continuing to see and breed for the future.? Mitch is actually the most dangerous person in the country.? ??



 

Wow - NY times creating fancy graphs on wealth and racial inequalities now that Bernie's not running anymore ?.

We don't want you to emigrate Emily! ?


On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 11:49 AM Emily Mae via <emily.mae50=[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 11:47 AM, Emily Mae wrote:
Re: "...systemic corruption they are are trading on and continuing to see and breed"? Should be *seed* and breed


 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 12:34 PM, RC wrote:
now that Bernie's not running anymore ?.
Ha.? Good point.? I believe in most of Elizabeth Warren's positions as I saw her as the implementation to Bernie's ideas.??


 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 12:33 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
What are you worried about?? You are on the left coast.? Washington, Oregon and California may break away from the union and form a new country
Well, as long as California goes with us, sea level rise doesn't require massive migration inland, and there are no major tectonic plate shifts, we might be alright.? Except for one tiny thing.? Catalonia tried to secede from Spain - no luck.? The Kurds wanted, and frankly deserve, an independent Kurdistan, but that won't likely happen in our lifetimes.? The Palestinians aren't faring too well either.? ?South Sudan succeeded, but look what that took.?


 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 12:33 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
Native Americans had it right as they saw it as nine nations each for their own unique needs depending on the geography.
I don't think this is quite right.? There were numerous tribes that settled across the US.? They didn't think of themselves as nine nations; those boundaries based on geography were imposed on them by the white man, I do believe.??


 

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Where are you thinking of? ?

Sal


On Apr 10, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Emily Mae via groups.io <emily.mae50@...> wrote:

?These show the reality, imo.? I'm beginning to seriously consider starting the conversation with my family about immigrating in the next 10 years if the US doesn't change course.? Maybe the pandemic will generate the kind of sea change needed, although the idea that thousands of lives would have to be lost to get people to wake up is depressing.? The Republicans are in power only because of the systemic corruption they are are trading on and continuing to see and breed for the future.? Mitch is actually the most dangerous person in the country.? ??


 

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On 4/10/20 2:26 PM, Emily Mae via groups.io wrote:

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 12:33 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
Native Americans had it right as they saw it as nine nations each for their own unique needs depending on the geography.
I don't think this is quite right.? There were numerous tribes that settled across the US.? They didn't think of themselves as nine nations; those boundaries based on geography were imposed on them by the white man, I do believe.??




 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 12:34 PM, RC wrote:
We don't want you to emigrate Emily! ?
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You're all welcome to join me in Canada. It's great up here!


 

Don't know yet.? Going to put together a list of criteria and put it on the list of projects to start researching.? I may have to convince one of my children to emigrate first; if I wait 10 years, I'll be pretty old.? I keep forgetting how old I am!? If I sell the house in the next 5 years, I would have enough to spend a good amount of time as a nomad, checking out different locales.? Who knows though, it's hard to plan for the future.??

Look at what the testing requirements were from FEMA.? Like we want tRump's government to be in charge of anything!? They were placed to take down government, not operate it.? They thrive on inefficiency and incompetence.??

The Federal Emergency Management Agency required photo identification, health insurance information, phone numbers, email addresses and home addresses for every patient tested, according to a letter the agency sent to the county that was obtained by The Washington Post. The agency also ordered county officials to ship the kits to labs with CDC contracts on the East Coast, which would yield results in as long as a week. - WaPo


 

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Vacationing close to the border Canada always represented a certain amount of mystique and mystery ?for us when we were growing up, and it’s also spectacularly beautiful but it's also got a lot of snow, and as I get older ?I’m drawn to warmer climes. ?Still if the west coast ever does break off, literally or figuratively, I would definitely consider Seattle or San Diego. ?As of now anyway.

Sal


On Apr 10, 2020, at 6:01 PM, AB via groups.io <abater@...> wrote:

?On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 12:34 PM, RC wrote:
We don't want you to emigrate Emily! ?
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You're all welcome to join me in Canada. It's great up here!


 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 04:10 PM, Emily Mae wrote:
Look at what the testing requirements were from FEMA.? Like we want tRump's government to be in charge of anything!? They were placed to take down government, not operate it.? They thrive on inefficiency and incompetence.??

The Federal Emergency Management Agency required photo identification, health insurance information, phone numbers, email addresses and home addresses for every patient tested, according to a letter the agency sent to the county that was obtained by The Washington Post. The agency also ordered county officials to ship the kits to labs with CDC contracts on the East Coast, which would yield results in as long as a week. - WaPo


For WA State, that is.??


 

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Look at what the testing requirements were from FEMA.? Like we want tRump's government to be in charge of anything!? They were placed to take down government, not operate it.?

Well they’re doing a bang-up job then.

They thrive on inefficiency and incompetence.?

I fear if they get four more years this is going to seem like a picnic.

Sal


On Apr 10, 2020, at 6:10 PM, Emily Mae via groups.io <emily.mae50@...> wrote:

?Don't know yet.? Going to put together a list of criteria and put it on the list of projects to start researching.? I may have to convince one of my children to emigrate first; if I wait 10 years, I'll be pretty old.? I keep forgetting how old I am!? If I sell the house in the next 5 years, I would have enough to spend a good amount of time as a nomad, checking out different locales.? Who knows though, it's hard to plan for the future.??

Look at what the testing requirements were from FEMA.? Like we want tRump's government to be in charge of anything!? They were placed to take down government, not operate it.? They thrive on inefficiency and incompetence.??

The Federal Emergency Management Agency required photo identification, health insurance information, phone numbers, email addresses and home addresses for every patient tested, according to a letter the agency sent to the county that was obtained by The Washington Post. The agency also ordered county officials to ship the kits to labs with CDC contracts on the East Coast, which would yield results in as long as a week. - WaPo


 

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Hey it could be worse! ?Be happy they don’t ask for your kids’ blood types, your parents’ blood types, where they met and what high schools they went to. ?Along with the make and models of their first cars and what their favorite comic books were.

Sal


On Apr 10, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Emily Mae via groups.io <emily.mae50@...> wrote:

?On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 04:10 PM, Emily Mae wrote:
Look at what the testing requirements were from FEMA.? Like we want tRump's government to be in charge of anything!? They were placed to take down government, not operate it.? They thrive on inefficiency and incompetence.??

The Federal Emergency Management Agency required photo identification, health insurance information, phone numbers, email addresses and home addresses for every patient tested, according to a letter the agency sent to the county that was obtained by The Washington Post. The agency also ordered county officials to ship the kits to labs with CDC contracts on the East Coast, which would yield results in as long as a week. - WaPo


For WA State, that is.??


 

Thank you - but it's too cold!!

Once you live by the Southern California Coast for a while (it will be 9 years soon for me) your options get really limited ? - perhaps on a Mediterranean Island?


On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 4:01 PM AB via <abater=[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 12:34 PM, RC wrote:
We don't want you to emigrate Emily! ?
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You're all welcome to join me in Canada. It's great up here!


 

I vote for San Diego in America or Mexamerica per Uncle Barry2's Nine Nations framework.


On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 4:11 PM Sal Sunshine <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote:
Vacationing close to the border Canada always represented a certain amount of mystique and mystery ?for us when we were growing up, and it’s also spectacularly beautiful but it's also got a lot of snow, and as I get older ?I’m drawn to warmer climes.? Still if the west coast ever does break off, literally or figuratively, I would definitely consider Seattle or San Diego.? As of now anyway.

Sal


On Apr 10, 2020, at 6:01 PM, AB via <abater=[email protected]> wrote:

?On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 12:34 PM, RC wrote:
We don't want you to emigrate Emily! ?
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
You're all welcome to join me in Canada. It's great up here!


 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 04:11 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
Vacationing close to the border Canada always represented a certain amount of mystique and mystery ?for us when we were growing up, and it’s also spectacularly beautiful but it's also got a lot of snow, and as I get older ?I’m drawn to warmer climes. ?Still if the west coast ever does break off, literally or figuratively, I would definitely consider Seattle or San Diego. ?As of now anyway.

Sal
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Up in BC where I live it has weather like Seattle only with half the rain. Very warm here. it is the southern California of Canada!


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On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 01:47 PM, Emily Mae wrote:
I'm beginning to seriously consider starting the conversation with my family about immigrating in the next 10 years if the US doesn't change course.
My suggestion for you, if you decide to move, would be to re-locate closer to the heartland get out of the city where your risk is higher; get out to the country in a smaller community, maybe is Eastern Washington. Take up gardening or small-scale farming. The key to survival will be not how much money you earn, but how much you can save for a rainy day or an emergency. Even a thousand dollars in savings can make a lot of difference in how you will fare in the future. People with less money are likelier to have chronic health conditions, and also to live near one another, making residents of many lower-income neighborhoods doubly vulnerable. YMMV.


WillyTex
 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 02:33 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
Washington, Oregon and California may break away from the union and form a new country.
After the pandemic is eradicated there will be two Americas: those living in high-density cities where people must work in offices or stores or in service industries; and low density areas in rural America where more people work from home. The businesses that have so far been hit particularly hard are the ones premised on physical presence and face-to-face interactions, such as retail stores, transportation, restaurants and bars, and hotels where people live paycheck-paycheck.?The location of one’s housing has significant bearing on how one weathers a pandemic. YMMV.