But when it came to boys, support dropped significantly, with 64% overall – and far fewer men – saying it was good to encourage them to do things associated with girls. Those who were older or more conservative were even more likely to think it wasn’t a good idea. Reading between the lines suggests there’s a view that traits stereotypically associated with men – such as strength, courage and leadership – are good, whereas those tied to femininity – such as vulnerability, emotion and caring – are bad. Thus boys receive the message that wanting to?."
Not to mention the hysteria that would undoubtedly erupt in right-wing households if they caught their sons playing with dolls, “Oh my god, he’s going to become GAY!!!” You can just hear the shrieks of horror ??♀?? On Mar 11, 2021, at 9:20 AM, awb via groups.io <abater@...> wrote:
?On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 07:05 AM, awb wrote:
On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 09:08 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
Can't agree with you more.? The whole thing is getting ridiculous.? I don't think just you would be annoyed at trying to find the toys for boys and the toys for girls but moms might not like that either.
It is also interesting that you assume that "moms" are doing the shopping. :-)
More on this: "
Pink girls and blue boys
The kinds of toys American children play with tend to adhere to a clear gender binary.
Toys marketed to boys tend to be more aggressive and involve action and excitement. Girl toys, on the other hand, are usually pink and passive, emphasizing beauty and nurturing.
It wasn’t always like this.
Around the turn of the 20th century,??to different genders. By the 1940s, manufacturers quickly caught on to the idea that wealthier families would buy an entire new set of clothing, toys and other gadgets if the products were marketed differently for both genders. And so the idea of??was born.
Today, gendered toy marketing in the U.S. is stark.??and you can clearly see who the audience is. The girl aisle is almost exclusively pink, showcasing mostly Barbie dolls and princesses. The boy aisle is mostly blue and features trucks and superheroes.
Breaking down the binary
The emergence of a gender-neutral doll is a sign of how this binary of boys and girls is beginning to break down – at least when it comes to girls.
?showed that more than three-quarters of those surveyed said it was a good thing for parents to encourage young girls to play with toys or do activities “associated with the opposite gender.” The share rises to 80% for women and millennials.
But when it came to boys, support dropped significantly, with 64% overall – and far fewer men – saying it was good to encourage them to do things associated with girls. Those who were older or more conservative were even more likely to think it wasn’t a good idea.
Reading between the lines suggests there’s a view that traits stereotypically associated with men – such as strength, courage and leadership – are good, whereas those tied to femininity – such as vulnerability, emotion and caring – are bad. Thus boys receive the message that wanting to?."
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Pink used to be associated with young BOYS... as I understand it was the British Army... the adult men were the Redcoats, the yong recruits wore pink jackets. ?Obviously there is nothing inherently feminine or masculine about any color. ?Or toy.
What gave pink it’s new life as a color for girls were Mamie Eisenhower and later Jackie Kennedy.
?I also find this discussion interesting seeing as how Bhairitu has no kids and the last time he had any contact with one was probably 1980.
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On Mar 11, 2021, at 9:03 AM, awb via groups.io <abater@...> wrote:
?On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 09:08 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
Can't agree with you more.? The whole thing is getting ridiculous.? I don't think just you would be annoyed at trying to find the toys for boys and the toys for girls but moms might not like that either.
Here is the thing. I am not sure what "toys for boys and the toys for girls" even means. What toys are strictly for any gender? It just doesn't compute for me. Are you saying that girl dolls are only played with by girls and men/action figure/military dolls are only played with by boys? Why would this be the case? I'll tell you why - because it is learned behavior. All of it is learned by innocent children when they are first handed their gender-friendly/specific toy. It is an insidious thing. In reality, there really is no boy or girl toy. It is the same for clothing. What precludes a boy from wearing a dress or skirt or flowery top? Conditioning by unimaginative parents, that's what. And don't get me started about pink for girls and blue for boys - what the hell is that?!
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On 3/11/21 8:42 AM, Emily Mae via
groups.io wrote:
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 07:13 PM, WillyTex wrote:
On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 02:46 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
So how many rallied in favor of the lockdowns?? Zero
probably, which tells us something.
"...the lockdowns are the single worst public health mistake
in the last 100 years." - Jay Bhattacharya
Stanford Doctor Calls Lockdowns the ‘Biggest Public
Health Mistake We’ve Ever Made.’
Herd immunity as a viable idea in the 21st century, assuming no
vaccinations, is old news.? Particularly since Biden has ushered
in the vaccination program.? Bhattacharya wanted his day in the
sun.? Back in October, he? circulated the Barrington Declaration.?
He and this guy, Ioannidis, did the right wing talk show circuit.?
Hilariously, Ioannidis contested herd immunity—his opinion was
that the planet was overreacting—in favor of the theory that all
was sensationalized and not that big a deal.? The conclusion by a
consensus of epidemiologists and the broader scientific community
was that the "study" he threw together was sloppy and the research
badly flawed.?
Both these guys have refused to admit they made mistakes, because
their egos are fragile.? That's all this Newsweek article
is—Bhattacharya refusing to admit he was wrong in October.? Come
on, Willard, has your short-term memory completely failed you??
(In fact, winter brought a serious new wave of infection and
death.)
Now, about Bhattacharya. Last October (that's six months ago, in
case you can't do the math) he circulated a petition.?
"In
October, a group of scientists published the Great
Barrington Declaration, which proposed hastening herd
immunity to the virus by encouraging the young and healthy
to resume normal life while increasing protections for the
vulnerable. Jay Bhattacharya, a Stanford medical school
professor who partnered with Ioannidis on the Santa Clara
antibody study, was one of its organizers.
The
declaration was quickly embraced by Trump administration
officials, but not by Ioannidis. He refused to sign, saying
questions of scientific fact should not be settled
by petition.
But
by then, Ioannidis had already made himself heard. He had
appeared at least 18 times on major cable news networks,
repeatedly questioning the severity of the pandemic. He
acknowledged that his statements might have been exploited
for political purposes but said the alternative — silencing
his doubts, or withholding them from certain audiences — is
dangerous as well.
But
as the days grew colder and the death toll mounted, many
public-health officials concluded that uncertainty was not
saving lives, either. Desperate to beat back the virus,
governments around the world were again closing businesses
and imposing stay-at-home orders.
The
predictions of a second wave Ioannidis had told Fox News
viewers not to trust had proved right. The 10,000
American lives he said might be lost to the pandemic were
vanishing almost every week. Germany began to quarantine
visitors from Athens, preventing Ioannidis from returning to
his research center in Berlin."
He boarded a flight back to California, where record-setting
hospitalizations prompted a new round of lockdowns.
Hospitalizations from the flu season not covid.? Happens every year.
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On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 07:03 AM, awb wrote:
Can't agree with you more.? The whole thing is getting ridiculous.? I don't think just you would be annoyed at trying to find the toys for boys and the toys for girls but moms might not like that either.
Here is the thing. I am not sure what "toys for boys and the toys for girls" even means. What toys are strictly for any gender? It just doesn't compute for me. Are you saying that girl dolls are only played with by girls and men/action figure/military dolls are only played with by boys? Why would this be the case? I'll tell you why - because it is learned behavior. All of it is learned by innocent children when they are first handed their gender-friendly/specific toy. It is an insidious thing. In reality, there really is no boy or girl toy. It is the same for clothing. What precludes a boy from wearing a dress or skirt or flowery top? Conditioning by unimaginative parents, that's what. And don't get me started about pink for girls and blue for boys - what the hell is that?!
My daughter loved playing with trucks.? She didn't like pink.? My sister's boy liked pink.? He also loved playing with trucks.? Who doesn't like playing with trucks!?! When he grew up a little and went to school, he quit wearing pink.? A "girl" color.? Unless, of course, it's pearl pink.?? ? ? ? -- 
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On 3/11/21 7:20 AM, awb via groups.io
wrote:
On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 07:05 AM, awb wrote:
On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 09:08 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
Can't agree with you more.? The whole thing is
getting ridiculous.? I don't think just you would be annoyed
at trying to find the toys for boys and the toys for girls but
moms might not like that either.
It is also interesting that you assume that "moms" are doing the
shopping. :-)
More on this:
"
Pink
girls and blue boys
The
kinds of toys American children play with tend to adhere to a
clear gender binary.
Toys
marketed to boys tend to be more aggressive and involve action
and excitement. Girl toys, on the other hand, are usually pink
and passive, emphasizing beauty and nurturing.
It
wasn’t always like this.
Around
the turn of the 20th century,??to
different genders. By the 1940s, manufacturers quickly caught on
to the idea that wealthier families would buy an entire new set
of clothing, toys and other gadgets if the products were
marketed differently for both genders. And so the idea of??was
born.
Today,
gendered toy marketing in the U.S. is stark.??and
you can clearly see who the audience is. The girl aisle is
almost exclusively pink, showcasing mostly Barbie dolls and
princesses. The boy aisle is mostly blue and features trucks and
superheroes.
Breaking
down the binary
The
emergence of a gender-neutral doll is a sign of how this binary
of boys and girls is beginning to break down – at least when it
comes to girls.
?showed
that more than three-quarters of those surveyed said it was a
good thing for parents to encourage young girls to play with
toys or do activities “associated with the opposite gender.” The
share rises to 80% for women and millennials.
But
when it came to boys, support dropped significantly, with 64%
overall – and far fewer men – saying it was good to encourage
them to do things associated with girls. Those who were older or
more conservative were even more likely to think it wasn’t a
good idea.
Reading
between the lines suggests there’s a view that traits
stereotypically associated with men – such as strength, courage
and leadership – are good, whereas those tied to femininity –
such as vulnerability, emotion and caring – are bad. Thus boys
receive the message that wanting to?."
I recall someone here recently saying "men are from Mars and women
are from Venus". ;-)
Biologically men are sympathetic dominant and women parasympathetic
dominant.
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On 3/11/21 7:05 AM, awb via groups.io
wrote:
On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 09:08 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
Can't agree with you more.? The whole thing is getting
ridiculous.? I don't think just you would be annoyed at trying
to find the toys for boys and the toys for girls but
moms might not like that either.
It is also interesting that you assume that "moms" are doing the
shopping. :-)
Because they often are.
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On 3/11/21 7:03 AM, awb via groups.io
wrote:
On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 09:08 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
Can't agree with you more.? The whole thing is getting
ridiculous.? I don't think just you would be annoyed at trying
to find the toys for boys and the toys for girls but moms might
not like that either.
Here is the thing. I am not sure what "toys for boys and the toys
for girls" even means. What toys are strictly for any gender? It
just doesn't compute for me. Are you saying that girl dolls are
only played with by girls and men/action figure/military dolls are
only played with by boys? Why would this be the case? I'll tell
you why - because it is learned behavior. All of it is learned by
innocent children when they are first handed their
gender-friendly/specific toy. It is an insidious thing. In
reality, there really is no boy or girl toy. It is the same for
clothing. What precludes a boy from wearing a dress or skirt or
flowery top? Conditioning by unimaginative parents, that's what.
And don't get me started about pink for girls and blue for boys -
what the hell is that?!
Genders are part of nature.? Are you anti-nature now?
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On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 07:13 PM, WillyTex wrote:
On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 02:46 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
So how many rallied in favor of the lockdowns?? Zero probably, which tells us something.
"...the lockdowns are the single worst public health mistake in the last 100 years." - Jay Bhattacharya
Stanford Doctor Calls Lockdowns the ‘Biggest Public Health Mistake We’ve Ever Made.’
Herd immunity as a viable idea in the 21st century, assuming no vaccinations, is old news.? Particularly since Biden has ushered in the vaccination program.? Bhattacharya wanted his day in the sun.? Back in October, he? circulated the Barrington Declaration.? He and this guy, Ioannidis, did the right wing talk show circuit.? Hilariously, Ioannidis contested herd immunity—his opinion was that the planet was overreacting—in favor of the theory that all was sensationalized and not that big a deal.? The conclusion by a consensus of epidemiologists and the broader scientific community was that the "study" he threw together was sloppy and the research badly flawed.? Both these guys have refused to admit they made mistakes, because their egos are fragile.? That's all this Newsweek article is—Bhattacharya refusing to admit he was wrong in October.? Come on, Willard, has your short-term memory completely failed you?? (In fact, winter brought a serious new wave of infection and death.) Now, about Bhattacharya. Last October (that's six months ago, in case you can't do the math) he circulated a petition.?
"In October, a group of scientists published the Great Barrington Declaration, which proposed hastening herd immunity to the virus by encouraging the young and healthy to resume normal life while increasing protections for the vulnerable. Jay Bhattacharya, a Stanford medical school professor who partnered with Ioannidis on the Santa Clara antibody study, was one of its organizers.
The declaration was quickly embraced by Trump administration officials, but not by Ioannidis. He refused to sign, saying questions of scientific fact should not be settled by petition.
But by then, Ioannidis had already made himself heard. He had appeared at least 18 times on major cable news networks, repeatedly questioning the severity of the pandemic. He acknowledged that his statements might have been exploited for political purposes but said the alternative — silencing his doubts, or withholding them from certain audiences — is dangerous as well.
But as the days grew colder and the death toll mounted, many public-health officials concluded that uncertainty was not saving lives, either. Desperate to beat back the virus, governments around the world were again closing businesses and imposing stay-at-home orders.
The predictions of a second wave Ioannidis had told Fox News viewers not to trust had proved right. The 10,000 American lives he said might be lost to the pandemic were vanishing almost every week. Germany began to quarantine visitors from Athens, preventing Ioannidis from returning to his research center in Berlin."
He boarded a flight back to California, where record-setting hospitalizations prompted a new round of lockdowns.
--
Em
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On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 07:05 AM, awb wrote:
On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 09:08 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
Can't agree with you more.? The whole thing is getting ridiculous.? I don't think just you would be annoyed at trying to find the toys for boys and the toys for girls but moms might not like that either.
It is also interesting that you assume that "moms" are doing the shopping. :-)
More on this: "
Pink girls and blue boys
The kinds of toys American children play with tend to adhere to a clear gender binary.
Toys marketed to boys tend to be more aggressive and involve action and excitement. Girl toys, on the other hand, are usually pink and passive, emphasizing beauty and nurturing.
It wasn’t always like this.
Around the turn of the 20th century,??to different genders. By the 1940s, manufacturers quickly caught on to the idea that wealthier families would buy an entire new set of clothing, toys and other gadgets if the products were marketed differently for both genders. And so the idea of??was born.
Today, gendered toy marketing in the U.S. is stark.??and you can clearly see who the audience is. The girl aisle is almost exclusively pink, showcasing mostly Barbie dolls and princesses. The boy aisle is mostly blue and features trucks and superheroes.
Breaking down the binary
The emergence of a gender-neutral doll is a sign of how this binary of boys and girls is beginning to break down – at least when it comes to girls.
?showed that more than three-quarters of those surveyed said it was a good thing for parents to encourage young girls to play with toys or do activities “associated with the opposite gender.” The share rises to 80% for women and millennials.
But when it came to boys, support dropped significantly, with 64% overall – and far fewer men – saying it was good to encourage them to do things associated with girls. Those who were older or more conservative were even more likely to think it wasn’t a good idea.
Reading between the lines suggests there’s a view that traits stereotypically associated with men – such as strength, courage and leadership – are good, whereas those tied to femininity – such as vulnerability, emotion and caring – are bad. Thus boys receive the message that wanting to?."
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On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 09:08 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
Can't agree with you more.? The whole thing is getting ridiculous.? I don't think just you would be annoyed at trying to find the toys for boys and the toys for girls but moms might not like that either.
It is also interesting that you assume that "moms" are doing the shopping. :-)
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On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 09:08 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
Can't agree with you more.? The whole thing is getting ridiculous.? I don't think just you would be annoyed at trying to find the toys for boys and the toys for girls but moms might not like that either.
Here is the thing. I am not sure what "toys for boys and the toys for girls" even means. What toys are strictly for any gender? It just doesn't compute for me. Are you saying that girl dolls are only played with by girls and men/action figure/military dolls are only played with by boys? Why would this be the case? I'll tell you why - because it is learned behavior. All of it is learned by innocent children when they are first handed their gender-friendly/specific toy. It is an insidious thing. In reality, there really is no boy or girl toy. It is the same for clothing. What precludes a boy from wearing a dress or skirt or flowery top? Conditioning by unimaginative parents, that's what. And don't get me started about pink for girls and blue for boys - what the hell is that?!
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On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 02:46 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
So how many rallied in favor of the lockdowns?? Zero probably, which tells us something.
"...the lockdowns are the single worst public health mistake in the last 100 years." - Jay BhattacharyaStanford Doctor Calls Lockdowns the ‘Biggest Public Health Mistake We’ve Ever Made.’
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"Prince Harry has lit a slow burn stick of dynamite that will cause the greatest devastation of all."
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Re: Virtual Learning Reports
Follow The Science:
CDC Misinterpreted Research on Opening Schools
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"Some 18 million public school children have not set foot in a school in the past year. A study released in early December by McKinsey and Co. found that virtual learning hurt all students, but students of color the most: remote school set them back by three to five months in math, for example."
The Miseducation of America’s Elites
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"...he should be free to doubt Meghan Markle’s salacious claims. While he should not have walked off of the set when Beresford criticized him, that hardly seems like a reason to resign."
Cancel Culture Comes for Piers Morgan.
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On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 11:08 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
The whole thing is getting ridiculous.
Just say no to cancel culture. YMMV. "It suffices for an intransigent minority to reach a minutely small level, say three or four percent of the total population, for the entire population to have to submit to their preferences. Further, an optical illusion comes with the dominance of the minority: a naive observer would be under the impression that the choices and preferences are those of the majority.”
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On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 11:06 AM, WillyTex wrote:
"I say, let them have privacy. Not another word."
Piers Morgan's "diabolical" behavior. Go figure. Storms Off Set of Good Morning Britain
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On 3/9/21 7:50 AM, WillyTex via
groups.io wrote:
On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 10:37 AM, Emily Mae wrote:
Legislation being weighed in California would
prohibit large retailers from promoting boy and girl signage
for the toy and child care aisles. Go figure.
So what?
Well, I just don't like it.
When I shop for toys I don't want to wade through stacks and
stacks of dolls and cosmetics in order to find G.I. Joe.
But, it goes beyond that to the point of the government
interfering into people's private lives, trying to pass laws to
regulate people. The next thing you know they will try and pass a
law to make all action figures rainbow colors. Where does it end?
The best government is a small government. YMMV.
The Marketing and Gendering of Toys
Can't agree with you more.? The whole thing is getting ridiculous.?
I don't think just you would be annoyed at trying to find the toys
for boys and the toys for girls but moms might not like that either.
And people who want to pass laws to regulate people are NOT
LIBERAL!? Regulating the populace is a CONSERVATIVE action.
?
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Read on the internet:
"I say, let them have privacy. Not another word."
"It seems to me, looking superficially, that
the Sussexes are hippies from the sixties,
whilst the Cambridges are stiff and stuck up
folks from any other era. Across the clash
of cultures, communication would be
difficult. And The Firm was too somnolent
to change -- does not want to change.
Tradition is its charm."
Who Fared the Absolute Worst in Oprah’s Harry and Meghan Interview?
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Sal Sunshine
Bhairitu
Emily Mae
awb