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Re: Mass Vaccination: Benefits vs Risks

 

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 11:46 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
He knows his science.? That's what counts.? How were you at biology class?

But since that video doesn't suit you what about this one from a New Zealand family doctor:
I got an A in Biology.? I bet Bob Sears is a favorite of yours.? I have at least one conspiracy theorist in the family and there is no way she's getting vaccinated either.? But, she likes to travel sooo....my guess is her strong and unyielding convictions will fall by the wayside in short order when travel resumes and she'll be off to get the shot.?

Conspiracy theorists like to call foul on whatever and whoever as long as it serves their purpose.? The second the theory gets in the way of what they want to believe next or isn't consistent with what they want to do, they amend it immediately or drop it in favor of someone else's theory that they like better.? And, they immediately revise their narrative so that they don't have to admit to being wrong (God forbid!)? Their "convictions" are wholly fluid.?

So, be a good lemming and dutifully turn on Tucker today.??
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Em


Re: Mass Vaccination: Benefits vs Risks

 

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On 3/15/21 11:38 AM, WillyTex via groups.io wrote:
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 12:08 PM, Emily Mae wrote:
However, they are now scare-mongering about Covid mass immunisation programmes
"Boris Johnson, UK scientists and regulators say the jab is safe and there is currently no proof it was the cause of fatal blood clots in people who had recently received it. "

AstraZeneca vaccine suspended in France and Germany

The full list of countries


Never in history have such untested vaccines been given to the public.? Looks to me like the intent is to kill off most of the population so the elite can have the planet to themselves.? We'll see.



Re: Mass Vaccination: Benefits vs Risks

 

On 3/15/21 10:20 AM, Emily Mae via groups.io wrote:
The article I posted is by Dr. Musa Mohd Nordin, a pediatrician.

Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche is a veterinarian.? He's got about as much credibility as Dr. Scott Atlas, the radiologist posing as a pandemic/Covid-19 expert.
He knows his science.? That's what counts.? How were you at biology class?

But since that video doesn't suit you what about this one from a New Zealand family doctor:


Re: Local News

WillyTex
 

"We have seen a lot of attacks on Asian-Americans and that¡¯s a huge concern for me because I have a bullseye on my back.¡± - Mike Nguyen, Owner of Noodle Tree

Ramen shop vandalized with racist messages after owner speaks out against Texas¡¯ reopening


Re: Mass Vaccination: Benefits vs Risks

 

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On 3/15/21 10:08 AM, Emily Mae via groups.io wrote:
On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 11:28 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
Interesting interview with research scientist Geert Vanden Bossche

A fear-mongering WhatsApp message by a group of individuals and NGOs has been making its rounds recently.

This is the same group to whom I have replied their 19 questions and debunked their baseless allegations on Covid vaccines.

Instead of replying with facts and figures, they chose the immature and cowardly route of using gutter politics.

I actually?malas nak layan?these conspiracy theorists and anti-vaccination lobbyists. Now?apparently there exists dangers of mass vaccinations as alleged by?Dr Geert Vanden Bossche. These people obviously do not know their history.

In the 20th?century alone, 350-500 million died from smallpox. The World Health Organization (WHO) kick-started mass smallpox vaccination programmes in the 1950s.

Through this global programme, smallpox was successfully eradicated in 1980.

In 1985, there were 400,000 cases of polio. Following the Global Polio Eradication Initiative (GPEI), which is a universal polio vaccination programme of at least three doses in the first year and two boosters thereafter, i.e. mass vaccination for all children, polio cases have plummeted by 99.9 per cent to 33 reported cases in 2018.

And if we persevere with the WHO Expanded Program on Immunization (EPI), we can also hope to eliminate measles and congenital rubella.

However, they are now scare-mongering about Covid mass immunisation programmes. They obviously have no facts to substantiate their claims except for conjecture and conspiracy theories.

It is sufficient to debunk their wild allegations by sharing the real-world experience of countries that have successfully rolled out the mRNA and other Covid vaccines.

, dated March 10, 2021, is extremely reassuring of the success and positive impact of the mass vaccination against COVID.

55 per cent of Israelis have received at least one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA vaccine. 43 per cent have been immunised with two doses.

The Vaccine Efficacy (VE) of the Pfizer mRNA vaccine against symptomatic Covid is 97 per cent,?.

The VE against asymptomatic Covid is 94 per cent. This means not only does the vaccine prevent one from getting Covid, it also prevents its transmission.

They quoted Dr Bossche who??that mass vaccination ¡°creates more asymptomatic cases to spread the virus as the vaccines DO NOT prevent infection and transmission¡±.

I think they need to keep abreast of the most current literature on the pandemic and not rehash old and outdated press reports.

Their allegations obviously constitute misinformation because:

  • There are 55 per cent less cases of Covid-19 after the mass Pfizer mRNA vaccine immunisation programme was initiated.
  • There are 71 per cent less Covid-related deaths
  • There are 44 per cent less admissions to ICUs.

They allege mass vaccination ¡°helps create new variants and promotes viral immune escape¡°.

Yes,, namely the UK B117, South Africa B1351 and Brazil P1 mutant strains.

This is actually anticipated and not surprising, as what has happened with other pathogens. For example, there is a need to immunise annually against influenza, due to antigenic mutations.

Note that 80 per cent of the mutant strains in Israel was the UK B117 variant, and yet the Pfizer mRNA was effective against this new mutant.

If you are living in Israel, and you refuse the vaccine, the risk of you being infected is 44 times higher, and the risk of you dying from Covid is 29 times higher.

That is why the health ministry in Israel is trying very hard to scale up the coverage of the vaccination post-haste to achieve a herd immunity of 70-80 per cent so they can protect:

  • Children and adolescents below 16 years who are not presently eligible for the vaccine.
  • Those who have a history of anaphylaxis, allergies to polyethylene glycol and polysorbates who cannot be immunised.
  • People like you who refuse to be vaccinated.

The UK is probably one of the top five nations in the world to effectively roll out Covid vaccines. I hope you can appreciate that Covid cases, admissions and deaths?.

I am hoping that the vaccine rollout by the Jawatankuasa Khas Jaminan Akses Bekalan Vaksin (JKJAV) and the MOH should be ramped up to reap the full benefits of mass vaccination:

  • Less Covid-19 cases, especially severe Covid, since all vaccines prevent against severe Covid disease.
  • Less hospital admissions which will not overwhelm our health care services.
  • Less Covid-related deaths.

I hope these individuals and NGOs will cease spreading misinformation. If they insist on writing about Covid, kindly share their references so that their claims can be verified.


Yeah, we sure wouldn't want Big Pharma and Bill Gates to miss out on all those billions to be made pushing their untested vaccine. ?


Re: Mass Vaccination: Benefits vs Risks

WillyTex
 

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 12:08 PM, Emily Mae wrote:
However, they are now scare-mongering about Covid mass immunisation programmes
"Boris Johnson, UK scientists and regulators say the jab is safe and there is currently no proof it was the cause of fatal blood clots in people who had recently received it. "

AstraZeneca vaccine suspended in France and Germany

The full list of countries


Re: Lock Down Reports

 

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On 3/15/21 7:30 AM, Emily Mae via groups.io wrote:
On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 10:08 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
Our health stats for our area were quite clear about how many were in the hospital for covid and how many flu or other things like pneumonia (did you forget about that one). Covid cases were far outnumbered by other kinds of cases.?? There is a group of us locally who like to track these things.
Complete nonsense.? Post the County data.? Put up or shut up.?

I already did months ago.? You lost your memory already??


Re: What!?

 

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On 3/15/21 6:01 AM, awb via groups.io wrote:
On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 10:10 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
On 3/14/21 6:53 AM, awb via groups.io wrote:
On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 10:41 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
So you shop "clothing optional" toy stores? ?
Two bricks?
You said:
"While there, I saw a few penises and vaginas walking around as well."
Yes I did. It was in relation to my earlier point that we are born with either a vagina or a penis (except in very rare cases where we might be born with both). I was making a "joke" simply referring to the females and males who were shopping by their genitals. I was being very science-y, LOL. Got it now? It was not relating to literal nudity.
That's your level of understanding science?? No wonder you're confused.? BTW, I was making a joke too.? You need a better sense of humor. ?



Re: Cancel That

WillyTex
 

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 08:31 PM, WillyTex wrote:
"You can be canceled for liking the wrong tweet."
Apparently the new cancel culture rule seems to be that you have to proactively denounce people. Or, risk being the target yourself. YMMV.

So, following this new rule I declare to everyone GO SCREW YOURSELF!


Re: Mass Vaccination: Benefits vs Risks

 

The article I posted is by Dr. Musa Mohd Nordin, a pediatrician.? ??

Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche is a veterinarian.? He's got about as much credibility as Dr. Scott Atlas, the radiologist posing as a pandemic/Covid-19 expert.??

Em


Re: Mass Vaccination: Benefits vs Risks

 

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 11:28 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
Interesting interview with research scientist Geert Vanden Bossche

A fear-mongering WhatsApp message by a group of individuals and NGOs has been making its rounds recently.

This is the same group to whom I have replied their 19 questions and debunked their baseless allegations on Covid vaccines.

Instead of replying with facts and figures, they chose the immature and cowardly route of using gutter politics.

I actually?malas nak layan?these conspiracy theorists and anti-vaccination lobbyists. Now?apparently there exists dangers of mass vaccinations as alleged by?Dr Geert Vanden Bossche. These people obviously do not know their history.

In the 20th?century alone, 350-500 million died from smallpox. The World Health Organization (WHO) kick-started mass smallpox vaccination programmes in the 1950s.

Through this global programme, smallpox was successfully eradicated in 1980.

In 1985, there were 400,000 cases of polio. Following the Global Polio Eradication Initiative (GPEI), which is a universal polio vaccination programme of at least three doses in the first year and two boosters thereafter, i.e. mass vaccination for all children, polio cases have plummeted by 99.9 per cent to 33 reported cases in 2018.

And if we persevere with the WHO Expanded Program on Immunization (EPI), we can also hope to eliminate measles and congenital rubella.

However, they are now scare-mongering about Covid mass immunisation programmes. They obviously have no facts to substantiate their claims except for conjecture and conspiracy theories.

It is sufficient to debunk their wild allegations by sharing the real-world experience of countries that have successfully rolled out the mRNA and other Covid vaccines.

, dated March 10, 2021, is extremely reassuring of the success and positive impact of the mass vaccination against COVID.

55 per cent of Israelis have received at least one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA vaccine. 43 per cent have been immunised with two doses.

The Vaccine Efficacy (VE) of the Pfizer mRNA vaccine against symptomatic Covid is 97 per cent,?.

The VE against asymptomatic Covid is 94 per cent. This means not only does the vaccine prevent one from getting Covid, it also prevents its transmission.

They quoted Dr Bossche who??that mass vaccination ¡°creates more asymptomatic cases to spread the virus as the vaccines DO NOT prevent infection and transmission¡±.

I think they need to keep abreast of the most current literature on the pandemic and not rehash old and outdated press reports.

Their allegations obviously constitute misinformation because:

  • There are 55 per cent less cases of Covid-19 after the mass Pfizer mRNA vaccine immunisation programme was initiated.
  • There are 71 per cent less Covid-related deaths
  • There are 44 per cent less admissions to ICUs.

They allege mass vaccination ¡°helps create new variants and promotes viral immune escape¡°.

Yes,, namely the UK B117, South Africa B1351 and Brazil P1 mutant strains.

This is actually anticipated and not surprising, as what has happened with other pathogens. For example, there is a need to immunise annually against influenza, due to antigenic mutations.

Note that 80 per cent of the mutant strains in Israel was the UK B117 variant, and yet the Pfizer mRNA was effective against this new mutant.

If you are living in Israel, and you refuse the vaccine, the risk of you being infected is 44 times higher, and the risk of you dying from Covid is 29 times higher.

That is why the health ministry in Israel is trying very hard to scale up the coverage of the vaccination post-haste to achieve a herd immunity of 70-80 per cent so they can protect:

  • Children and adolescents below 16 years who are not presently eligible for the vaccine.
  • Those who have a history of anaphylaxis, allergies to polyethylene glycol and polysorbates who cannot be immunised.
  • People like you who refuse to be vaccinated.

The UK is probably one of the top five nations in the world to effectively roll out Covid vaccines. I hope you can appreciate that Covid cases, admissions and deaths?.

I am hoping that the vaccine rollout by the Jawatankuasa Khas Jaminan Akses Bekalan Vaksin (JKJAV) and the MOH should be ramped up to reap the full benefits of mass vaccination:

  • Less Covid-19 cases, especially severe Covid, since all vaccines prevent against severe Covid disease.
  • Less hospital admissions which will not overwhelm our health care services.
  • Less Covid-related deaths.

I hope these individuals and NGOs will cease spreading misinformation. If they insist on writing about Covid, kindly share their references so that their claims can be verified.

?
?
--
Em


Re: Mass Vaccination: Benefits vs Risks

WillyTex
 

BERLIN ¡ª The German government said Monday that it¡¯s suspending the use of AstraZeneca¡¯s coronavirus vaccine over new reports of dangerous blood clots in connection with the shot....

Germany suspends AstraZeneca vaccine amid clotting concerns


Re: Harry and Meghan

WillyTex
 

CBS announced that it would be launching a probe into an episode earlier this week that saw Sharon Osbourne get into a heated exchange with co-host Sheryl Underwood after defending Piers Morgan¡¯s comments about Meghan Markle. Go figure.


Addressing Important Issues

WillyTex
 

In China alone, they have 40,000 kilometers of high-speed rail. America has zero. YMMV. China has apparently almost cornered the market in pharmaceuticals. Go figure.

?Real Time HBO:

"Do you know who doesn¡¯t care that there¡¯s a stereotype of a Chinese man in a Dr. Seuss book? China. All 1.4 billion of them couldn¡¯t give a crouching tiger flying fu*k because they¡¯re not a silly people. If anything, they are as serious as a prison fight.


Half the country is having a never-ending competition deciding whether Mr. Potato Head has a d¡ª and the other half believes we have to stop the lizard people because they¡¯re eating babies. We are silly people.¡± - Bill Maher


Re: Local News

WillyTex
 

"Each year, nearly 2 billion birds migrate through Texas in one of the planet's great wildlife spectacles." - Laura Bush:

?Texans, turn out the lights at night to help migratory birds


Re: Mass Vaccination: Benefits vs Risks

WillyTex
 

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 01:28 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
Interesting interview with research scientist Geert Vanden Bossche
"Suffering that has not yet come can be avoided." - Yoga Sutra 2.16


Re: Music News

WillyTex
 

What's up with the R&R Hall of Fame admitting all those non-rock pop singers? Go figure.

"Perhaps the most galling was the 1967 best contemporary rock and roll recording going to the New Vaudeville Band's "Winchester Cathedral" ... and not "Eleanor Rigby" by The Beatles or "Good Vibrations" by The Beach Boys." YMMV.

Who's the Next Music Superstar?


Re: Lock Down Reports

 

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 10:08 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
Our health stats for our area were quite clear about how many were in the hospital for covid and how many flu or other things like pneumonia (did you forget about that one). Covid cases were far outnumbered by other kinds of cases.?? There is a group of us locally who like to track these things.
Complete nonsense.? Post the County data.? Put up or shut up.??
?
--
Em


Re: Sports News

WillyTex
 

According to the ACLU there are more than 70 bills in 26 US state governments that would prevent transgender athletes from participating in sports using their preferred gender instead of their biological sex. Go figure.


Re: Inclement Weather Announcement

WillyTex
 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 09:20 AM, WillyTex wrote:
Bad storm watch out!
Duck and run for cover! Head for the cellar! NOW! GO! Seventeen tornadoes reported to touch down in the Texas panhandle; snow shuts down the Denver airport and four feet of snow in the Sierras. YMMV.