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Is it possible to program non HAM frequencies into an 857 using something like CHIRP?
In Australia we have HF networks which cater for remote area 4WD travel. They license frequencies off the regulators for club members to use.
An example is??which uses 3890.5, 11487, 7899, etc.
If it is technically possible to access those frequencies from an 857 (once the legalities have been sorted), that avoids the need to carry a (heavy and bulky) second radio.
Thanks.
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You can certainly program those
frequencies, although it will not transmit o nthose without a
modification to open up the transmit.? Just program them like a regular
frequency as it has 500 Khz to 30 MHZ continuous receive vk2dhv@...
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Is it
possible to program non HAM frequencies into an 857 using something like
CHIRP?
In Australia we have HF networks which cater for remote
area 4WD travel. They license frequencies off the regulators for club
members to use.
An example is??which
uses 3890.5, 11487, 7899, etc.
If it is technically possible to
access those frequencies from an 857 (once the legalities have been
sorted), that avoids the need to carry a (heavy and bulky) second radio.
Thanks.
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Jeff K. Steinkamp (N7YG)
Tucson, AZ
Scud Missile Coordinates
N32.2319 W110.8477
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Yes, I have all sorts of frequencies programmed into mine via CHIRP. LF NDB's, broadcast band, various shortwave stations, the local NOAA weather on 162.55 MHz, etc. They all work fine.
73, Zack W9SZ
On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 7:45 PM < vk2dhv@...> wrote: Is it possible to program non HAM frequencies into an 857 using something like CHIRP?
In Australia we have HF networks which cater for remote area 4WD travel. They license frequencies off the regulators for club members to use.
An example is??which uses 3890.5, 11487, 7899, etc.
If it is technically possible to access those frequencies from an 857 (once the legalities have been sorted), that avoids the need to carry a (heavy and bulky) second radio.
Thanks.
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Although technically possible your amateur rig, FT 857, will never be permitted to Tx on those commercial frequencies, sorry, you will need a commercially approved radio.
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Compton
VK2HRX
Sydney, Australia
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Yes, but if he wants to listen to various frequencies? without having to tune to them each time, the rig will accept any frequency in its range for receive only. I am never going to transmit on LF NDB frequencies or AM BCB frequencies, but I have quite a few of those programmed into the radio with CHIRP.
73, Zack W9SZ
Although technically possible your amateur rig, FT 857, will never be permitted to Tx on those commercial frequencies, sorry, you will need a commercially approved radio.
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Compton
VK2HRX
Sydney, Australia
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David,
The specific answer to your question is YES however...
I'd (strongly) suggest the 'legalities' can not be sorted as you are suggesting.
Have a good read of the Radiocommunications Act in particular Clauses 46-48 and Clauses 157- 161 (FYI - your FT-857 is a non-standard device).
Regards,
Cameron - VK2RA/VK2CKP/KX4BS
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Subject: [FT-857] Another newbie question - programming frequencies
Is it possible to program non HAM frequencies into an 857 using something like CHIRP?
In Australia we have HF networks which cater for remote area 4WD travel. They license frequencies off the regulators for club members to use.
An example is??which uses 3890.5, 11487, 7899, etc.
If it is technically possible to access those frequencies from an 857 (once the legalities have been sorted), that avoids the need to carry a (heavy and bulky) second radio.
Thanks.
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Hi Stewart, ? Although you can program in any frequency to receive, you may not use the radio to transmit as it is not a type approved radio for transmitting outside the Amateur bands in Australia. ? 73¡.Eric VK2VE. ?
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Subject: [FT-857] Another newbie question - programming frequencies? Is it possible to program non HAM frequencies into an 857 using something like CHIRP?
In Australia we have HF networks which cater for remote area 4WD travel. They license frequencies off the regulators for club members to use.
An example is??which uses 3890.5, 11487, 7899, etc.
If it is technically possible to access those frequencies from an 857 (once the legalities have been sorted), that avoids the need to carry a (heavy and bulky) second radio.
Thanks.
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Hi Zack, ? Agreed, however, Stewart was also mentioning about transmitting using the radio hence Compton¡¯s, and my, comments about its none type approval here in Australia. One of the requirements for type approval here for non amateur band equipment is that it not be programmable, on transmit, from the front panel. ? 73¡.Eric VK2VE. ?
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Subject: Re: [FT-857] Another newbie question - programming frequencies? Yes, but if he wants to listen to various frequencies? without having to tune to them each time, the rig will accept any frequency in its range for receive only. I am never going to transmit on LF NDB frequencies or AM BCB frequencies, but I have quite a few of those programmed into the radio with CHIRP. ? Although technically possible your amateur rig, FT 857, will never be permitted to Tx on those commercial frequencies, sorry, you will need a commercially approved radio.
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VK2HRX
Sydney, Australia
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Thanks everyone. There is no value in me doing this if I can't transmit and receive on those frequencies.
I understood that in an "emergency" situation (which in reality is the only time I would do this) all the normal constraints like type approval went out the window?
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Eric, Zak et al (although I'm not sure who Stuart is)...
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This legal situation is actually much more onerous than it appears on the surface - hence why my response included specific reference to the Act (an Australian legislative document found https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2021C00046) and the applicable clauses.? Even being in possession, especially if the rig was made capable of transmission on those frequencies (even if only programmed as 'receive only') would like be deemed as 'with intent to operate'. If the radio was found to be functional (and especially given that the question has been asked in a pseudo-public forum) then there would be little in the way of a 'defence' (I can think of one but I'm not placing it into the public domain).? This is a specific issue I have asked our National Representative Body to have addressed in future revisions of the legislative instruments.
73,
Cameron
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Hi Zack,
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Agreed, however, Stewart was also mentioning about transmitting using the radio hence Compton¡¯s, and my, comments about its none type approval here in Australia. One of the requirements for type approval here for non amateur band equipment is that it not be programmable, on transmit, from the front panel.
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73¡.Eric VK2VE.
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Yes, but if he wants to listen to various frequencies? without having to tune to them each time, the rig will accept any frequency in its range for receive only. I am never going to transmit on LF NDB frequencies or AM BCB frequencies, but I have quite a few of those programmed into the radio with CHIRP.
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Although technically possible your amateur rig, FT 857, will never be permitted to Tx on those commercial frequencies, sorry, you will need a commercially approved radio.
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Compton
VK2HRX
Sydney, Australia
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I guess I was just commenting that you can store any frequency in memory via CHIRP. If the radio is receive-only on non-ham frequencies, it will still store it but for receive only. If you do the all-frequency transmit mod, it's your responsibility to not transmit on unauthorized frequencies. But there are uses for this mod. I have a couple VHF transverters that use oddball IF's outside a ham band. I can attenuate the transmit power to what is needed for the transverter.
73, Zack W9SZ
On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 9:39 AM Cameron McKay < cjmckay@...> wrote: Eric, Zak et al (although I'm not sure who Stuart is)...
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This legal situation is actually much more onerous than it appears on the surface - hence why my response included specific reference to the Act (an Australian legislative document found ) and the applicable clauses.? Even being in possession, especially if the rig was made capable of transmission on those frequencies (even if only programmed as 'receive only') would like be deemed as 'with intent to operate'. If the radio was found to be functional (and especially given that the question has been asked in a pseudo-public forum) then there would be little in the way of a 'defence' (I can think of one but I'm not placing it into the public domain).? This is a specific issue I have asked our National Representative Body to have addressed in future revisions of the legislative instruments.
73,
Cameron
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Hi Zack,
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Agreed, however, Stewart was also mentioning about transmitting using the radio hence Compton¡¯s, and my, comments about its none type approval here in Australia. One of the requirements for type approval here for non amateur band equipment is that it not be programmable, on transmit, from the front panel.
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73¡.Eric VK2VE.
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Yes, but if he wants to listen to various frequencies? without having to tune to them each time, the rig will accept any frequency in its range for receive only. I am never going to transmit on LF NDB frequencies or AM BCB frequencies, but I have quite a few of those programmed into the radio with CHIRP.
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Although technically possible your amateur rig, FT 857, will never be permitted to Tx on those commercial frequencies, sorry, you will need a commercially approved radio.
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Compton
VK2HRX
Sydney, Australia
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Hi Cameron, ? Stuart is the person who originally asked the question! Simple ACMA lookup. ? ?
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Subject: Re: [FT-857] Another newbie question - programming frequencies? Eric, Zak et al (although I'm not sure who Stuart is)... ?
This legal situation is actually much more onerous than it appears on the surface - hence why my response included specific reference to the Act (an Australian legislative document found ) and the applicable clauses.? Even being in possession, especially if the rig was made capable of transmission on those frequencies (even if only programmed as 'receive only') would like be deemed as 'with intent to operate'. If the radio was found to be functional (and especially given that the question has been asked in a pseudo-public forum) then there would be little in the way of a 'defence' (I can think of one but I'm not placing it into the public domain).? This is a specific issue I have asked our National Representative Body to have addressed in future revisions of the legislative instruments.
73, Cameron
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Hi Zack, ? Agreed, however, Stewart was also mentioning about transmitting using the radio hence Compton¡¯s, and my, comments about its none type approval here in Australia. One of the requirements for type approval here for non amateur band equipment is that it not be programmable, on transmit, from the front panel. ? 73¡.Eric VK2VE. ? ? Yes, but if he wants to listen to various frequencies? without having to tune to them each time, the rig will accept any frequency in its range for receive only. I am never going to transmit on LF NDB frequencies or AM BCB frequencies, but I have quite a few of those programmed into the radio with CHIRP. ? Although technically possible your amateur rig, FT 857, will never be permitted to Tx on those commercial frequencies, sorry, you will need a commercially approved radio.
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Compton
VK2HRX
Sydney, Australia
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Eric,
I must be losing my mind.... I've got this thread being started by VK2DHV (who according to the ACMA database is David).
All good - Stay safe.
Cameron?
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Hi Cameron,
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Stuart is the person who originally asked the question! Simple ACMA lookup.
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Eric, Zak et al (although I'm not sure who Stuart is)...
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This legal situation is actually much more onerous than it appears on the surface - hence why my response included specific reference to the Act (an Australian legislative document found ) and the applicable clauses.? Even being in possession, especially if the rig was made capable of transmission on those frequencies (even if only programmed as 'receive only') would like be deemed as 'with intent to operate'. If the radio was found to be functional (and especially given that the question has been asked in a pseudo-public forum) then there would be little in the way of a 'defence' (I can think of one but I'm not placing it into the public domain).? This is a specific issue I have asked our National Representative Body to have addressed in future revisions of the legislative instruments.
73,
Cameron
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Wed, 7 Jul 2021 14:18:44 +1000
Re: [FT-857] Another newbie question - programming frequencies
Hi Zack,
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Agreed, however, Stewart was also mentioning about transmitting using the radio hence Compton¡¯s, and my, comments about its none type approval here in Australia. One of the requirements for type approval here for non amateur band equipment is that it not be programmable, on transmit, from the front panel.
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73¡.Eric VK2VE.
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Yes, but if he wants to listen to various frequencies? without having to tune to them each time, the rig will accept any frequency in its range for receive only. I am never going to transmit on LF NDB frequencies or AM BCB frequencies, but I have quite a few of those programmed into the radio with CHIRP.
?
Although technically possible your amateur rig, FT 857, will never be permitted to Tx on those commercial frequencies, sorry, you will need a commercially approved radio.
--
Compton
VK2HRX
Sydney, Australia
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