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I have a 14 year old FT-857d radio that I use as a base station radio.? I have a high gain omni-directional antenna up at 50 feet on a mast with LMR-400 coasx inbetween.? There is a repeater that is about 30 miles away.? It is linked to a number of other repeaters in the state.? On receive I get an S9 meter reading.? I can hear the repeater just fine but can't raise the repeater.? I have checked the tone several times and know it is right. I had raised the repeater once out of many many attempts.? I am wondering - my meter on transmit shows me transmitting a full 50 watts on 2 meters.? Does that necessarily mean what the output of the radio is?? Would a watt meter on the coax show me anything different if at the radio?? I am really scratching my head as to why I get a strong receive on the repeater but can't raise it 99% of the time.? Strangely there is a repeater in NW WI that is about 60 miles away and I can easily raise that repeater.? Thoughts...? sounding like a rookie but I got my license back in 2006 and am an Extra Class operator.? Thanks!? I have brought this to the attention of those that control the repeater in question and they swear there is nothing wrong with it and that it is not receive challenged.
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It sound to me like the tone encoder on
the repeater end may not be setup correctly, assuming you have no
problem with other repeaters that have tone access.
AB9NN -
Jon Kreski wrote on 5/7/2022 12:16:
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I have a 14
year old FT-857d radio that I use as a base station radio.? I have a
high gain omni-directional antenna up at 50 feet on a mast with LMR-400
coasx inbetween.? There is a repeater that is about 30 miles away.? It
is linked to a number of other repeaters in the state.? On receive I get
an S9 meter reading.? I can hear the repeater just fine but can't raise
the repeater.? I have checked the tone several times and know it is
right. I had raised the repeater once out of many many attempts.? I am
wondering - my meter on transmit shows me transmitting a full 50 watts
on 2 meters.? Does that necessarily mean what the output of the radio
is?? Would a watt meter on the coax show me anything different if at the
radio?? I am really scratching my head as to why I get a strong receive
on the repeater but can't raise it 99% of the time.? Strangely there is
a repeater in NW WI that is about 60 miles away and I can easily raise
that repeater.? Thoughts...? sounding like a rookie but I got my license
back in 2006 and am an Extra Class operator.? Thanks!? I have brought
this to the attention of those that control the repeater in question and
they swear there is nothing wrong with it and that it is not receive
challenged.
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Jeff K. Steinkamp (N7YG)
Tucson, AZ
Scud Missile Coordinates
N32.2319 W110.8477
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Besides just having the right tone freq. selected, are you certain that TONE function is indeed enabled?
Mike
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-------- Original message -------- From: Jeff Steinkamp <n7yg@...> Date: 5/7/22 12:38 PM (GMT-07:00) Subject: Re: [FT-857] Power Output Question #fm #signal
It sound to me like the tone encoder on
the repeater end may not be setup correctly, assuming you have no
problem with other repeaters that have tone access. AB9NN -
Jon Kreski wrote on 5/7/2022 12:16:I have a 14
year old FT-857d radio that I use as a base station radio.? I have a
high gain omni-directional antenna up at 50 feet on a mast with LMR-400
coasx inbetween.? There is a repeater that is about 30 miles away.? It
is linked to a number of other repeaters in the state.? On receive I get
an S9 meter reading.? I can hear the repeater just fine but can't raise
the repeater.? I have checked the tone several times and know it is
right. I had raised the repeater once out of many many attempts.? I am
wondering - my meter on transmit shows me transmitting a full 50 watts
on 2 meters.? Does that necessarily mean what the output of the radio
is?? Would a watt meter on the coax show me anything different if at the
radio?? I am really scratching my head as to why I get a strong receive
on the repeater but can't raise it 99% of the time.? Strangely there is
a repeater in NW WI that is about 60 miles away and I can easily raise
that repeater.? Thoughts...? sounding like a rookie but I got my license
back in 2006 and am an Extra Class operator.? Thanks!? I have brought
this to the attention of those that control the repeater in question and
they swear there is nothing wrong with it and that it is not receive
challenged.
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Jeff K. Steinkamp (N7YG)
Tucson, AZ
Scud Missile Coordinates
N32.2319 W110.8477
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Tone and frequency correct?? Sometimes repeaters have different tones for transmist and recieve.? Or not one at all.
K4AXX
On Saturday, May 7, 2022, 03:16:10 PM EDT, AB9NN - Jon Kreski <jkreski@...> wrote:
I have a 14 year old FT-857d radio that I use as a base station radio.? I have a high gain omni-directional antenna up at 50 feet on a mast with LMR-400 coasx inbetween.? There is a repeater that is about 30 miles away.? It is linked to a number of other repeaters in the state.? On receive I get an S9 meter reading.? I can hear the repeater just fine but can't raise the repeater.? I have checked the tone several times and know it is right. I had raised the repeater once out of many many attempts.? I am wondering - my meter on transmit shows me transmitting a full 50 watts on 2 meters.? Does that necessarily mean what the output of the radio is?? Would a watt meter on the coax show me anything different if at the radio?? I am really scratching my head as to why I get a strong receive on the repeater but can't raise it 99% of the time.? Strangely there is a repeater in NW WI that is about 60 miles away and I can easily raise that repeater.? Thoughts...? sounding like a rookie but I got my license back in 2006 and am an Extra Class operator.? Thanks!? I have brought this to the attention of those that control the repeater in question and they swear there is nothing wrong with it and that it is not receive challenged.
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? ? You have seemed to look in all the right areas. ?If you were sitting within 5 miles of the repeater, I’d say you were over driving it at 50 watts. I guess you checked your transmitting tone frequency with a counter,. ? At the base station ??Is the receiving tone off a bit? ? Far-fetched? call a friend ?have him key the repeater with an tone no voice, then key your radio with audio, ?have a third friend listen to see if you are on the air. ?If he hears you it’s you radio ‘s tone. ? Try a different radio ? KB3YRC Richard ? ? ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of AB9NN - Jon Kreski
Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2022 3:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [FT-857] Power Output Question #fm #signal ? I have a 14 year old FT-857d radio that I use as a base station radio.? I have a high gain omni-directional antenna up at 50 feet on a mast with LMR-400 coasx inbetween.? There is a repeater that is about 30 miles away.? It is linked to a number of other repeaters in the state.? On receive I get an S9 meter reading.? I can hear the repeater just fine but can't raise the repeater.? I have checked the tone several times and know it is right. I had raised the repeater once out of many many attempts.? I am wondering - my meter on transmit shows me transmitting a full 50 watts on 2 meters.? Does that necessarily mean what the output of the radio is?? Would a watt meter on the coax show me anything different if at the radio?? I am really scratching my head as to why I get a strong receive on the repeater but can't raise it 99% of the time.? Strangely there is a repeater in NW WI that is about 60 miles away and I can easily raise that repeater.? Thoughts...? sounding like a rookie but I got my license back in 2006 and am an Extra Class operator.? Thanks!? I have brought this to the attention of those that control the repeater in question and they swear there is nothing wrong with it and that it is not receive challenged.
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The tone may be correct but is it actually set on during transmit fir that repeater?
On Sat., May 7, 2022, 12:16 AB9NN - Jon Kreski, < jkreski@...> wrote: I have a 14 year old FT-857d radio that I use as a base station radio.? I have a high gain omni-directional antenna up at 50 feet on a mast with LMR-400 coasx inbetween.? There is a repeater that is about 30 miles away.? It is linked to a number of other repeaters in the state.? On receive I get an S9 meter reading.? I can hear the repeater just fine but can't raise the repeater.? I have checked the tone several times and know it is right. I had raised the repeater once out of many many attempts.? I am wondering - my meter on transmit shows me transmitting a full 50 watts on 2 meters.? Does that necessarily mean what the output of the radio is?? Would a watt meter on the coax show me anything different if at the radio?? I am really scratching my head as to why I get a strong receive on the repeater but can't raise it 99% of the time.? Strangely there is a repeater in NW WI that is about 60 miles away and I can easily raise that repeater.? Thoughts...? sounding like a rookie but I got my license back in 2006 and am an Extra Class operator.? Thanks!? I have brought this to the attention of those that control the repeater in question and they swear there is nothing wrong with it and that it is not receive challenged.
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VA7TF? VE7ACF
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Jon, any way you could take the radio mobile and get a bit closer then check the connection? If it works, the radio is working correctly and is setup right. If not, check what the others said. Make sure the tone is enabled and is correct. If it does work when closer, there may be something blocking the signal. Bio-towers (trees), buildings, hills, or maybe a 60foot Stay Puff Marshmallow Man. Look outside your window and see if there is a tall fluffy sailor walking around town.?
Good luck.?
73
Buzz
KD4CXI
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YOU need to tell us what you found ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tony VA7TF, VE7ACF
Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2022 5:10 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FT-857] Power Output Question #fm #signal ? The tone may be correct but is it actually set on during transmit fir that repeater? ? ? On Sat., May 7, 2022, 12:16 AB9NN - Jon Kreski, <jkreski@...> wrote: I have a 14 year old FT-857d radio that I use as a base station radio.? I have a high gain omni-directional antenna up at 50 feet on a mast with LMR-400 coasx inbetween.? There is a repeater that is about 30 miles away.? It is linked to a number of other repeaters in the state.? On receive I get an S9 meter reading.? I can hear the repeater just fine but can't raise the repeater.? I have checked the tone several times and know it is right. I had raised the repeater once out of many many attempts.? I am wondering - my meter on transmit shows me transmitting a full 50 watts on 2 meters.? Does that necessarily mean what the output of the radio is?? Would a watt meter on the coax show me anything different if at the radio?? I am really scratching my head as to why I get a strong receive on the repeater but can't raise it 99% of the time.? Strangely there is a repeater in NW WI that is about 60 miles away and I can easily raise that repeater.? Thoughts...? sounding like a rookie but I got my license back in 2006 and am an Extra Class operator.? Thanks!? I have brought this to the attention of those that control the repeater in question and they swear there is nothing wrong with it and that it is not receive challenged.
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VA7TF? VE7ACF
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Jon,
Are you talking about the W8TVC/145.27 Traverse City repeater? Or any of the others? If so, you are on the fringes of the coverage area.
Take a look at the coverage maps from <https://kf8kk.com/wi0ok/repeaters.htm> to see.
Also you can go to <http://www.artscipub.com/repeaters/local/index.asp?state=michigan&city=BEULAH> and do a distance search but you need to join the group to look farther than 10 miles.
Do a search on "ham repeaters" near your area, or just the city you want to hit. Then get a coverage map and see whether you sit in the "Zone".
You also have a rise to about 1000 feet between you and Traverse City. Do a linear "walk" on Google Earth to see. You probably need either: a teller mast (hard to do, it's my problem too), or, easier, a 2M Yagi for directions gain. Your omni isn't going to put the signal/power where you need it to go.
Yes, take the 857 mobile (or even just portable) to a point maybe 1/4 of the distance closer to the intended repeater. Just a mag-mount antenna will be enough. If you can hit it cleanly, look at your antenna system. More RF power probably will not help in any consistent way.
GL,
Mac/WT4BT
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I looked on the web site?? There are two PL listed for that repeater>>>> ? ? ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Lenker KB3YRC
Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2022 10:22 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FT-857] Power Output Question #fm #signal? YOU need to tell us what you found ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tony VA7TF, VE7ACF
Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2022 5:10 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FT-857] Power Output Question #fm #signal ? The tone may be correct but is it actually set on during transmit fir that repeater? ? ? On Sat., May 7, 2022, 12:16 AB9NN - Jon Kreski, <jkreski@...> wrote: I have a 14 year old FT-857d radio that I use as a base station radio.? I have a high gain omni-directional antenna up at 50 feet on a mast with LMR-400 coasx inbetween.? There is a repeater that is about 30 miles away.? It is linked to a number of other repeaters in the state.? On receive I get an S9 meter reading.? I can hear the repeater just fine but can't raise the repeater.? I have checked the tone several times and know it is right. I had raised the repeater once out of many many attempts.? I am wondering - my meter on transmit shows me transmitting a full 50 watts on 2 meters.? Does that necessarily mean what the output of the radio is?? Would a watt meter on the coax show me anything different if at the radio?? I am really scratching my head as to why I get a strong receive on the repeater but can't raise it 99% of the time.? Strangely there is a repeater in NW WI that is about 60 miles away and I can easily raise that repeater.? Thoughts...? sounding like a rookie but I got my license back in 2006 and am an Extra Class operator.? Thanks!? I have brought this to the attention of those that control the repeater in question and they swear there is nothing wrong with it and that it is not receive challenged.
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Tony
VA7TF? VE7ACF
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On 2022-05-07 12:16, AB9NN - Jon Kreski wrote: I have a 14 year old FT-857d radio that I use as a base station radio.
I have a high gain omni-directional antenna up at 50 feet on a mast
with LMR-400 coasx inbetween. There is a repeater that is about 30
miles away. It is linked to a number of other repeaters in the state.
On receive I get an S9 meter reading. I can hear the repeater just
fine but can't raise the repeater. I have checked the tone several
times and know it is right. I had raised the repeater once out of many
many attempts. I am wondering - my meter on transmit shows me
transmitting a full 50 watts on 2 meters. Does that necessarily mean
what the output of the radio is? Would a watt meter on the coax show
me anything different if at the radio? I am really scratching my head
as to why I get a strong receive on the repeater but can't raise it
99% of the time. Strangely there is a repeater in NW WI that is about
60 miles away and I can easily raise that repeater. Thoughts...
sounding like a rookie but I got my license back in 2006 and am an
Extra Class operator. Thanks! I have brought this to the attention
of those that control the repeater in question and they swear there is
nothing wrong with it and that it is not receive challenged. Hullo Jon, Path: Here's a tool I use as a sanity check re signal path for a number of VHF+ purposes. To gain positions to use in the above I sometimes have to resort to finding them on a map. I use Open Street Map via the interface at The Layers icon, top right, gives some cool representations, a remote sensing view ("satellite view") in ESRI Ariel, and I like the TF Outdoors for a combination of map items in a topographic layout. "Tone": If required. Reviewing it, the manual is a bit of a bear on the topic. I'd get set so it (likely TEN, Tone Encode) works in VFO, and works with the repeater or other use, then _write_ that to Memory so it's not lost. One may make changes to settings while _in_ Memory mode. These will go away if one moves up a memory, or down, and then returns. Good for temporarily clearing or trying something, however not for future use. 73, John -- J. D. Erskine VA7OTC CN88hk Victoria, BC
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On 2022-05-07 12:16, AB9NN - Jon Kreski wrote: I have a 14 year old FT-857d radio that I use as a base station radio.
I have a high gain omni-directional antenna up at 50 feet on a mast
with LMR-400 coasx inbetween. There is a repeater that is about 30
miles away. It is linked to a number of other repeaters in the state.
On receive I get an S9 meter reading. I can hear the repeater just
fine but can't raise the repeater. I have checked the tone several
times and know it is right. I had raised the repeater once out of many
many attempts. I am wondering - my meter on transmit shows me
transmitting a full 50 watts on 2 meters. Does that necessarily mean
what the output of the radio is? Would a watt meter on the coax show
me anything different if at the radio? I am really scratching my head
as to why I get a strong receive on the repeater but can't raise it
99% of the time. Strangely there is a repeater in NW WI that is about
60 miles away and I can easily raise that repeater. Thoughts...
sounding like a rookie but I got my license back in 2006 and am an
Extra Class operator. Thanks! I have brought this to the attention
of those that control the repeater in question and they swear there is
nothing wrong with it and that it is not receive challenged. Hullo Jon, Re a power metre. I sometimes have had mildly erroneous power readings with the internal sensor. Mostly when I've had: an antenna issue (50 MHz, hanging on the apt. balcony railing), RF get back in to the power cable (a temporary, portable, by the window configuration), the counterpoise for a temporary antenna has failed, etc. One may certainly pop a power meter inline with radio and feedline, at the radio. As well one may get super curious and place it _at_ the antenna feedpoint, though that takes some dedication. I'd suggest one thing at a time. Check it? Why not. You've asked the question of the situation. So, three potentially useful things to check: actual or otherwise measured power output; path; effective CTCSS settings (and the correct rptr input tone.) 73, John -- J. D. Erskine VA7OTC CN88hk Victoria, BC
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John,
That is a great tool, even has a new highway opened here in Wellington, NZ,
the last two months.
Thanks.
73, Malcolm ZL2UDF
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of JD Erskine VA7OTC via groups.io Sent: Monday, 9 May 2022 8:23 a.m. To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FT-857] Power Output Question #fm #signal On 2022-05-07 12:16, AB9NN - Jon Kreski wrote: I have a 14 year old FT-857d radio that I use as a base station radio.
I have a high gain omni-directional antenna up at 50 feet on a mast
with LMR-400 coasx inbetween. There is a repeater that is about 30
miles away. It is linked to a number of other repeaters in the state.
On receive I get an S9 meter reading. I can hear the repeater just
fine but can't raise the repeater. I have checked the tone several
times and know it is right. I had raised the repeater once out of many
many attempts. I am wondering - my meter on transmit shows me
transmitting a full 50 watts on 2 meters. Does that necessarily mean
what the output of the radio is? Would a watt meter on the coax show
me anything different if at the radio? I am really scratching my head
as to why I get a strong receive on the repeater but can't raise it
99% of the time. Strangely there is a repeater in NW WI that is about
60 miles away and I can easily raise that repeater. Thoughts...
sounding like a rookie but I got my license back in 2006 and am an
Extra Class operator. Thanks! I have brought this to the attention
of those that control the repeater in question and they swear there is
nothing wrong with it and that it is not receive challenged. Hullo Jon, Path: Here's a tool I use as a sanity check re signal path for a number of VHF+ purposes. To gain positions to use in the above I sometimes have to resort to finding them on a map. I use Open Street Map via the interface at The Layers icon, top right, gives some cool representations, a remote sensing view ("satellite view") in ESRI Ariel, and I like the TF Outdoors for a combination of map items in a topographic layout. "Tone": If required. Reviewing it, the manual is a bit of a bear on the topic. I'd get set so it (likely TEN, Tone Encode) works in VFO, and works with the repeater or other use, then _write_ that to Memory so it's not lost. One may make changes to settings while _in_ Memory mode. These will go away if one moves up a memory, or down, and then returns. Good for temporarily clearing or trying something, however not for future use. 73, John -- J. D. Erskine VA7OTC CN88hk Victoria, BC
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On 2022-05-08 16:11, Wheeler M wrote: John,
That is a great tool, even has a new highway opened here in Wellington, NZ,
the last two months.
Thanks.
73, Malcolm ZL2UDF Cool! You're welcome. 73, John -- J. D. Erskine VA7OTC CN88hk
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AB9NN - Jon Kreski
Tony VA7TF, VE7ACF
John D Erskine VE7MHI VA7OTC