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New Tuner - Recommendations?


 

I recently became the owner of a FT-857. I've been using a vertical whip and tuning it each time to get it resonant on the respective operating band. I am looking at some other multi-band wires that would be best to use with a tuner.?

I am hoping to use this radio while portable in the future. What suggestions do folks have on current tuners that are approximately the same footprint/width of the radio for packing purposes??

David
W6RKT


 

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What modes and power do you wish to operate? ?I use an LDG AT-100PROII auto tuner. It’s good for 100W SSB, but only 35W digital. It’s a nice small form factor and there’s a Yaesu cable to connect it to the FT-857D. You can get an AT-200PROII, and it will handle higher power on digital. They actually are available all the way up to 1000W.?

Jim S. KM6WWY?


On Oct 7, 2023, at 4:57 PM, David Smith <flashover52@...> wrote:

?I recently became the owner of a FT-857. I've been using a vertical whip and tuning it each time to get it resonant on the respective operating band. I am looking at some other multi-band wires that would be best to use with a tuner.?

I am hoping to use this radio while portable in the future. What suggestions do folks have on current tuners that are approximately the same footprint/width of the radio for packing purposes??

David
W6RKT


 

In my experience ZS6BKW is one candidate. In my experience it performs well. Easy to erect and portable also
VU2TE
Unni

On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 5:27?AM David Smith <flashover52@...> wrote:
I recently became the owner of a FT-857. I've been using a vertical whip and tuning it each time to get it resonant on the respective operating band. I am looking at some other multi-band wires that would be best to use with a tuner.?

I am hoping to use this radio while portable in the future. What suggestions do folks have on current tuners that are approximately the same footprint/width of the radio for packing purposes??

David
W6RKT


 

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Hi David...take a look ath the ATU-130 on amazon....I bought one to go portable for POTA but haven't got there yet because of other problems, not related to this unit....should work since the 857 is only rated 100 w....

Ron

WA8KQF

On 10/6/2023 9:52 PM, David Smith wrote:

I recently became the owner of a FT-857. I've been using a vertical whip and tuning it each time to get it resonant on the respective operating band. I am looking at some other multi-band wires that would be best to use with a tuner.?

I am hoping to use this radio while portable in the future. What suggestions do folks have on current tuners that are approximately the same footprint/width of the radio for packing purposes??

David
W6RKT


 

Not a tuner, but look at the Yaesu ATAS-120A mobile antenna.? It is designed to work with the FT-857 and others and has automatic tuning features that work with the radio.? It gets rave reviews.
Lee





On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 07:52:04 PM CDT, Jim <fairfaxjim@...> wrote:


What modes and power do you wish to operate? ?I use an LDG AT-100PROII auto tuner. It’s good for 100W SSB, but only 35W digital. It’s a nice small form factor and there’s a Yaesu cable to connect it to the FT-857D. You can get an AT-200PROII, and it will handle higher power on digital. They actually are available all the way up to 1000W.?

Jim S. KM6WWY?


On Oct 7, 2023, at 4:57 PM, David Smith <flashover52@...> wrote:

?I recently became the owner of a FT-857. I've been using a vertical whip and tuning it each time to get it resonant on the respective operating band. I am looking at some other multi-band wires that would be best to use with a tuner.?

I am hoping to use this radio while portable in the future. What suggestions do folks have on current tuners that are approximately the same footprint/width of the radio for packing purposes??

David
W6RKT


 

As for modes/power, I'm really not sure. Still only a technician (studying for general exam) but have been doing some FT8. I'll probably be doing some Winlink (Vara) in the future. Looking to expand with POTA/SOTA in the near future.?

While I have looked at the ATAS-120, it seems to really need some counterpoise if it's not used on a vehicle. I've been using a MPAS and JPC-12 vertical along with a homebrew 10m dipole (speaker wire to a BNC connection), properly tuned. I'd like to try an EFHW or off center dipole but will need a tuner.?

I guess I would like to see something that could handle the full 100w if needed versus a QRP rig.


 

An EFHW does not need a tuner if operated on the multiples of the lowest band. For example, when operating portable I use a 63ft 40m EFHW which includes the 49:1 transformer and it is resonant on 40, 20, 15, and 10m with no tuner and under 1:5 SWR. That said, the FT857 is pretty aggressive about folding power back with modest SWR, which always gave me trouble when I used hamsticks mobile.

=Vic=


 

I like the LDG Z11ProII for a portable setup.

It is about the same width as the body of the FT-857 so it stacks nicely. The advantages it has for a backpack setup is it can be powered by 6 to 16 volts DC at 300 mA Max. 20 uA standby current. This means the radio can power it directly with the correct cable. Or you can install a 8 AA pack inside the case.

It is also pretty light at 1.5lb which is another advantage for portable operation.

Main down side is it only good for 30W digital modes but the 857 really shouldn't be doing anymore than that either especially portable.

Leonard K. Pennock
AD7AS

Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.

On 10/6/23 6:52 PM, David Smith wrote:
I recently became the owner of a FT-857. I've been using a vertical whip and tuning it each time to get it resonant on the respective operating band. I am looking at some other multi-band wires that would be best to use with a tuner.
I am hoping to use this radio while portable in the future. What suggestions do folks have on current tuners that are approximately the same footprint/width of the radio for packing purposes?
David
W6RKT


 

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I have the FT857D with ATU LDG Z-11proII and it works perfect . I connect my 3ele triband yagi.

OD5OJ
Bassam

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Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2023 5:06:47 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FT-857] New Tuner - Recommendations?
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I like the LDG Z11ProII for a portable setup.

It is about the same width as the body of the FT-857 so it stacks
nicely.? The advantages it has for a backpack setup is it can be powered
by 6 to 16 volts DC at 300 mA Max. 20 uA standby current. This means the
radio can power it directly with the correct cable. Or you can install a
8 AA pack inside the case.

It is also pretty light at 1.5lb which is another advantage for portable
operation.

Main down side is it only good for 30W digital modes but the 857 really
shouldn't be doing anymore than that either especially portable.

Leonard K. Pennock
AD7AS

Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.

On 10/6/23 6:52 PM, David Smith wrote:
> I recently became the owner of a FT-857. I've been using a vertical whip
> and tuning it each time to get it resonant on the respective operating
> band. I am looking at some other multi-band wires that would be best to
> use with a tuner.
>
> I am hoping to use this radio while portable in the future. What
> suggestions do folks have on current tuners that are approximately the
> same footprint/width of the radio for packing purposes?
>
> David
> W6RKT
>






 

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of OD5OJ <od5oj@...>
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2023 5:22:01 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FT-857] New Tuner - Recommendations?
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I have the FT857D with ATU LDG Z-11proII and it works perfect . I connect my 3ele triband yagi.

OD5OJ
Bassam

TEST
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@...>
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2023 5:06:47 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FT-857] New Tuner - Recommendations?
?
I like the LDG Z11ProII for a portable setup.

It is about the same width as the body of the FT-857 so it stacks
nicely.? The advantages it has for a backpack setup is it can be powered
by 6 to 16 volts DC at 300 mA Max. 20 uA standby current. This means the
radio can power it directly with the correct cable. Or you can install a
8 AA pack inside the case.

It is also pretty light at 1.5lb which is another advantage for portable
operation.

Main down side is it only good for 30W digital modes but the 857 really
shouldn't be doing anymore than that either especially portable.

Leonard K. Pennock
AD7AS

Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.

On 10/6/23 6:52 PM, David Smith wrote:
> I recently became the owner of a FT-857. I've been using a vertical whip
> and tuning it each time to get it resonant on the respective operating
> band. I am looking at some other multi-band wires that would be best to
> use with a tuner.
>
> I am hoping to use this radio while portable in the future. What
> suggestions do folks have on current tuners that are approximately the
> same footprint/width of the radio for packing purposes?
>
> David
> W6RKT
>






 

On Sat, Oct 7, 2023 at 09:07 PM, Easwaran Unni Tharakkal VU2TE wrote:
In my experience ZS6BKW is one candidate. In my experience it performs well. Easy to erect and portable also
VU2TE
Unni

On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 5:27?AM David Smith <flashover52@...> wrote:
I recently became the owner of a FT-857. I've been using a vertical whip and tuning it each time to get it resonant on the respective operating band. I am looking at some other multi-band wires that would be best to use with a tuner.?

I am hoping to use this radio while portable in the future. What suggestions do folks have on current tuners that are approximately the same footprint/width of the radio for packing purposes??

David
W6RKT
You didn't mention that the ZS6BKW is an antenna along the lines of a G5RV off center fed dipole.

Tom Horne
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On Sat, Oct 7, 2023 at 07:57 PM, David Smith wrote:
I recently became the owner of a FT-857. I've been using a vertical whip and tuning it each time to get it resonant on the respective operating band. I am looking at some other multi-band wires that would be best to use with a tuner.?

I am hoping to use this radio while portable in the future. What suggestions do folks have on current tuners that are approximately the same footprint/width of the radio for packing purposes??

David
W6RKT
I realize that you asked about an antenna tuner but you may want to consider using an antenna coupler. The difference between a Tuner and a Coupler is that Tuners are colocated with the transmitter or transceiver and a coupler is located at the feed point of the antenna.

I own an SGC SG-235 . I am NOT suggesting it for your use as it is too large and too heavy for hiking in to locations you will want to activate. It has done a very nice job for me tuning a 90 foot long folded dipole from 160 down to six meters. I chose that coupler because it's power handling capability is 500 watts. I anticipated needing that power handling capability for using an amplifier with the FT-857 to send a full 100 watts of power so that both the FT-857 and the amplifier would be running at 1/3 of their maximum power outputs when handling digital signals at 100% duty cycle. SGC has other automatic antenna couplers that have a much smaller size and weight that will do what you need to do. One of the uses that the SGC couplers do a great job at is for tuning the coaxial feed to the feed point of a vertical antenna. I have used several non resonant verticals from 12 to 55 feet in height above mounting point.

I also own an Icom AH-4 antenna coupler that I use with my FT-857 by connecting the coupler control wiring through an after market control converter. I would also think that the Icom AH-4 is too large and heavy for your purposes. SGC does have a smaller and lighter antenna coupler which might suite you very well. The SG-237 Smartuner is 9L x 7W x 1.85H inches and 2 pounds. I would think that might be within the size and weight that one could hike in and or up to an operating location without ending up tempted to abandon it. They run about $350 used.

Tom Horne


 

I will have to look into the coupler option. Especially where I've been doing mostly digital versus voice so I appreciate your suggestion as I hadn't even considered it. Even if I'm in a vehicle, it could be an option.?

I have been borrowing the verticals so those have been easy to manipulate and get into the right range.

I did buy an off center fed dipole from Tim (N9SAB -). It's very compact and easy to carry and with some paracord and a good branch, it should be simple to get up in the air here in the Pacific Northwest. He recommends a tuner but I haven't yet had enough time to put it up in the air and hook it up to my NanoVNA. His antenna is discussed on a number of online videos.

I'm hoping to do that this weekend so I can get a good feeling for where it is resonant. Of course, I'm still stuck in small areas of the 6/10m bands.?

-David


 

I have had good luck with the MFJ 939 series of tuners, rated for 200 watts so FT-8 and other digital modes should not bother it too much with higher power percentages.
I know that it is not a "cool" solution, but it works and I have not seen as many issues with it and it can also be set up for other manufacturers with selection of jumpers and cables.
There are "issues" with the serial connections and plugs etc, but this would apply with any other unit as well.
I have used mine as a "local" tuner sitting under the radio and as a "remote" with an extension cable to the unit protected by a Tupperware container at the antenna. ( this was when used with Icom, however.
Good luck with your selection.
You can download a manual Here:
https://mfjenterprises.com/products/mfj-939y


 

I have the LDG AT-100 Pro.
May not be available new these days.
Form factor is great with the 857.? Connections are easy.? You'll need one patch cord to make it work.? I use the TUNE button on the tuner.??
Made some amazing DX with this package.? Highly recommend.?

Blair
KD6IFG