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waqua creek database?

 

does anyone have a somewhat complete tree for this group?
 

I don't know how complete it is , but I have quite a bit of it on Ancestry. Chris Edmonds has a pretty extensive tree on Ancestry as well, I don't know how complete it is, but if you have an Ancestry acct. you can check them out. If you have an Ancestry acct. I can send you an invite?
? ? I have used "hypotheticals " to attach several of the trees that are connected to my dna matches, mainly so I could have them all in one place. I built tees for my y-dna matches hoping to find where they all converge, so far not much luck, need more testers and more doing a Big-Y test. Primary records are the biggest problem all too often they don't exist anymore .?
? ? I did come across something while reading a thread on one of the Genetic genealogy pages on FaceBook , the question was similar to your situation , someone did a y37 test and the matches came back with different surnames, one responder mentioned that at 37 markers even at zero genetic distance the common ancestor could still be 10 -12 or more generations back. So there may be two things going on here. There may not be any other descendants of Peter Daniel that have tested yet and the difference in surnames could have come from farther back , only way I can see to sort it out will be getting more people to test. That is the hard part, I can forward to you the names and/or addresses of the people I have located to see if you recognize any of them. , I have sent letters to some of them, so far no response. I don't blame people for being cautious about someone approaching the about DNA testing and I too can understand they might not really be interested at all in Genealogy, I may try again at some point .?
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On Sunday, September 27, 2020, 06:29:01 PM EDT, Marshall Daniels <mdaniels6818@...> wrote:


does anyone have a somewhat complete tree for this group?

 

Here is an interesting titbit. The John Barrow that married Dinnah Daniel was later married to the mother of Elizabeth Parker, who went on to marry Peter, brother of Mabry.

There are too many Potts matches. maybe informal adoption?

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 7:36 AM Joe Daniel via <jdhardscrabble=[email protected]> wrote:


I don't know how complete it is , but I have quite a bit of it on Ancestry. Chris Edmonds has a pretty extensive tree on Ancestry as well, I don't know how complete it is, but if you have an Ancestry acct. you can check them out. If you have an Ancestry acct. I can send you an invite?
? ? I have used "hypotheticals " to attach several of the trees that are connected to my dna matches, mainly so I could have them all in one place. I built tees for my y-dna matches hoping to find where they all converge, so far not much luck, need more testers and more doing a Big-Y test. Primary records are the biggest problem all too often they don't exist anymore .?
? ? I did come across something while reading a thread on one of the Genetic genealogy pages on FaceBook , the question was similar to your situation , someone did a y37 test and the matches came back with different surnames, one responder mentioned that at 37 markers even at zero genetic distance the common ancestor could still be 10 -12 or more generations back. So there may be two things going on here. There may not be any other descendants of Peter Daniel that have tested yet and the difference in surnames could have come from farther back , only way I can see to sort it out will be getting more people to test. That is the hard part, I can forward to you the names and/or addresses of the people I have located to see if you recognize any of them. , I have sent letters to some of them, so far no response. I don't blame people for being cautious about someone approaching the about DNA testing and I too can understand they might not really be interested at all in Genealogy, I may try again at some point .?
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On Sunday, September 27, 2020, 06:29:01 PM EDT, Marshall Daniels <mdaniels6818@...> wrote:









does anyone have a somewhat complete tree for this group?
 

Has anyone ever reached out to the Daniels that still live out around the Waqua Creek area?
 

I've contacted a couple by letter a while back, never got any response, I will look through my records and see who they were and get back to you. Maybe if they were contacted by phone , I'll see if I got phone numbers as well.?

On Saturday, May 22, 2021, 10:37:08 PM EDT, DANIELS.CLIFF via groups.io <daniels.cliff@...> wrote:


Has anyone ever reached out to the Daniels that still live out around the Waqua Creek area?

 

I’m in contact with half a dozen of them. Anything I can help with?
 

I was wondering if any of them have done any y-DNA testing or have some family histories they have shared?? Really at this point I am trying to corroborate a genealogy hypothesis my great-great-great grandfather (Harrison Daniel b-1802 Virginia-Died after 1860 in Indiana) was a son of Jospeh Daniel Jr of the Waqua Creek Daniel family.? I read Jospeh Daniel's will and found a Harrison Daniel and a Thomas Daniel were both left $1. Their first appearance was in Surry County North Carolina in 1830.? Trying to get through this brick wall.
 

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I have a Harrison Daniel b 1765 in Essex VA, son of John B Daniel b 1724 in Bedford VA, d 1819 Laurens SC, m Susannah Wright. The supposed genealogy says he is in the Roger Daniel SNP A11115 family.

Could he be related to this Waqua Creek group?

On 5/23/2021 1:12 PM, Marshall Daniels wrote:

I’m in contact with half a dozen of them. Anything I can help with?

 

The Harrison Daniel i am looking for was born around 1802 in Va.? I've followed him down from the 1860 census to the 1830 census.?
 

Hi Jack,
??? Wasn't this Harrison Daniel from the line of James Daniel 1664-1742 of Essex County, VA? Possibly a son of James Daniel III who moved to Caroline County, VA in the late 1760s or early 1770s? Or has Y DNA testing changed this assignment? BTW, Bedford County, VA did not exist until 1754.

I will have to double check, but I think the Y DNA of? the Harrison Daniel who died in Laurens County, SC matches that of the line of James Daniel 1664-1742.? I have birth places of both Essex and Bedford Counties, VA for him but suspect that Essex is correct.

The Y DNA of the Harrison Daniel who died in Indiana does not match the line of James Daniel 1664-1742 or the Harrison Daniel who died in Laurens, SC.

?? There is no connection between James Daniel 1664-1742 of Essex and Roger Daniel. It does not appear that anyone can prove descent from Roger Daniell using primary records, which is the first step in determining the Y DNA of a line.... The Y DNA of the line of Roger Daniell is not proved.

Best,

Kevin
 

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Hello, Kevin,

There seem to be a lot of Daniel folks with first name Harrison back in those days. And several unrelated, but intermingled family lines to add confusion. (How many lines are there now? 20 to 30?)

After 1865 there was another Harrison Daniel living on the old plantation near Danielville Georgia. We have no idea at all as to his parents, except that he was a mulatto. Some suspect he was a son of one of the Daniel boys. He may have descendants living in that area, but I haven't found any willing to think genealogy.


On 5/23/2021 3:58 PM, Kevin Daniel via groups.io wrote:

Hi Jack,
??? Wasn't this Harrison Daniel from the line of James Daniel 1664-1742 of Essex County, VA? Possibly a son of James Daniel III who moved to Caroline County, VA in the late 1760s or early 1770s? Or has Y DNA testing changed this assignment? BTW, Bedford County, VA did not exist until 1754.

I will have to double check, but I think the Y DNA of? the Harrison Daniel who died in Laurens County, SC matches that of the line of James Daniel 1664-1742.? I have birth places of both Essex and Bedford Counties, VA for him but suspect that Essex is correct.

The Y DNA of the Harrison Daniel who died in Indiana does not match the line of James Daniel 1664-1742 or the Harrison Daniel who died in Laurens, SC.

?? There is no connection between James Daniel 1664-1742 of Essex and Roger Daniel. It does not appear that anyone can prove descent from Roger Daniell using primary records, which is the first step in determining the Y DNA of a line.... The Y DNA of the line of Roger Daniell is not proved.

Best,

Kevin

 

Hi Jack,
??? Yeah, very inconvenient when even somewhat unusual given names are used in unrelated lines. At least all of the 15 Estridge/Eastridge Daniels I have found are all from my line. It will be a bad day when I find one who isn't!
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? The Essex and Caroline families intermingled with the same families, especially the Sneads, and in a couple of cases appear in the same records together because of that but seemed to have nothing to do with each other aside from that. The Caroline Daniels were slightly involved with the Harrisons before the Essex Daniels moved to Caroline, but the Essex Daniels were very close to the Harrisons in Essex so both associated with the same Harrisons in Caroline.

? A story I have told before, but it shows how bad things were before Y DNA came along. My ancestor, Estridge Daniel 1782-1852 (2nd great grandson of William 1680-1765 of Caroline) owned land that bordered that of Henry Daniel 1786-1783 (great grandson of James Daniel non-biological son of William of Middlesex) for over 20 years and when Henry sold it, he sold it to Estridge. Only Y DNA proved they weren't related.

?? We are probably up to at least 20 to 30 unrelated Daniel lines before 1800 in Virginia alone! No idea how many unrelated Daniel lines were in North and South Carolina before Virginia Daniels started migrating south and west.

Best,

Kevin

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