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Clay Daniels, I have a question about a comment that you made in this thread back in July of 2021. You were responding to James Daniel, & you mentioned your visit with Evely Van Meter. You also mentioned that Elizabeth (Job Daniel's wife) had written to her son in Lawrence County, TN. I have been working on Job Daniel's ancestors & descendants with Beverly Markland, who is also in this group. We are wondering if you know anything more about these letters, or any other information about Job & Elizabeth that may be helpful in our research.
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Jame Daniel used to say that he had compiled quite a bit of information about Job & Elizabeth. Do you know if any of his research is available somewhere, such as Ancestry, MyHeritage, etc.?
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Janine, I think James Daniel is the person to talk to, as I now am fully convinced that my gg-grandfather Robert C. Daniel is a son? of Hiram Daniel, and not Joseph 'Job' Daniel. You are right that James Daniel had a lot of information but I don't know where it would be posted. Sorry to be so slow to respond, but this is a busy time.
Clay Daniels
On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 10:55?PM Janine Zerger LAST_NAME < jzerger@...> wrote:
Clay Daniels, I have a question about a comment that you made in this thread back in July of 2021. You were responding to James Daniel, & you mentioned your visit with Evely Van Meter. You also mentioned that Elizabeth (Job Daniel's wife) had written to her son in Lawrence County, TN. I have been working on Job Daniel's ancestors & descendants with Beverly Markland, who is also in this group. We are wondering if you know anything more about these letters, or any other information about Job & Elizabeth that may be helpful in our research.
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Jame Daniel used to say that he had compiled quite a bit of information about Job & Elizabeth. Do you know if any of his research is available somewhere, such as Ancestry, MyHeritage, etc.?
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Is there DNA evidence to separate the Job Daniel & Elizabeth Andress family from the Joseph & Elizabeth Calaway family?
Has someone transcribed the Elizabeth Daniel (widow of Job) Revolutionary pension application?
Carolyn Smotherman --still looking for the parents of Woodson Daniel (1800-1847).
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 11:05:06 PM CST, Clay Daniels <clay.daniels.jr@...> wrote:
Janine, I think James Daniel is the person to talk to, as I now am fully convinced that my gg-grandfather Robert C. Daniel is a son? of Hiram Daniel, and not Joseph 'Job' Daniel. You are right that James Daniel had a lot of information but I don't know where it would be posted. Sorry to be so slow to respond, but this is a busy time.
Clay Daniels
On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 10:55?PM Janine Zerger LAST_NAME < jzerger@...> wrote:
Clay Daniels, I have a question about a comment that you made in this thread back in July of 2021. You were responding to James Daniel, & you mentioned your visit with Evely Van Meter. You also mentioned that Elizabeth (Job Daniel's wife) had written to her son in Lawrence County, TN. I have been working on Job Daniel's ancestors & descendants with Beverly Markland, who is also in this group. We are wondering if you know anything more about these letters, or any other information about Job & Elizabeth that may be helpful in our research.
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Jame Daniel used to say that he had compiled quite a bit of information about Job & Elizabeth. Do you know if any of his research is available somewhere, such as Ancestry, MyHeritage, etc.?
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Hi Clay
My name is David Daniel, my oldest known ancestor is Britton Daniel b1815 on FTDNA you and I are both related closely along with Edward Daniel d1833. Do you have any idea how these lines are connected??
David Daniel
Janine, I think James Daniel is the person to talk to, as I now am fully convinced that my gg-grandfather Robert C. Daniel is a son? of Hiram Daniel, and not Joseph 'Job' Daniel. You are right that James Daniel had a lot of information but I don't know where it would be posted. Sorry to be so slow to respond, but this is a busy time.
Clay Daniels
On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 10:55?PM Janine Zerger LAST_NAME < jzerger@...> wrote:
Clay Daniels, I have a question about a comment that you made in this thread back in July of 2021. You were responding to James Daniel, & you mentioned your visit with Evely Van Meter. You also mentioned that Elizabeth (Job Daniel's wife) had written to her son in Lawrence County, TN. I have been working on Job Daniel's ancestors & descendants with Beverly Markland, who is also in this group. We are wondering if you know anything more about these letters, or any other information about Job & Elizabeth that may be helpful in our research.
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Jame Daniel used to say that he had compiled quite a bit of information about Job & Elizabeth. Do you know if any of his research is available somewhere, such as Ancestry, MyHeritage, etc.?
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Clay, sadly James passed away in March.?
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I have seen the conversations & the DNA evidence regarding your ancestor, Robert C. Daniel, so I understand that he was not a descendant of Job Daniel & Elizabeth Callaway. I was just curious as to any information about Job & Elizabeth that you may have learned while communicating with Evelyn Van Meter. For example, you had mentioned something about Elizabeth writing to a son in Lawrence County, TN. The William Daniel who lived in Lawrence County was my ancestor. However, we have come to believe that he was Job & Elizabeth's grandson rather than their son. Their son William, who was married to Argent, died in 1849.
On 11/23/2023 11:04 PM CST Clay Daniels <clay.daniels.jr@...> wrote:
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Janine, I think James Daniel is the person to talk to, as I now am fully convinced that my gg-grandfather Robert C. Daniel is a son? of Hiram Daniel, and not Joseph 'Job' Daniel. You are right that James Daniel had a lot of information but I don't know where it would be posted. Sorry to be so slow to respond, but this is a busy time.
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Clay Daniels
On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 10:55?PM Janine Zerger LAST_NAME < jzerger@...> wrote:
Clay Daniels, I have a question about a comment that you made in this thread back in July of 2021. You were responding to James Daniel, & you mentioned your visit with Evely Van Meter. You also mentioned that Elizabeth (Job Daniel's wife) had written to her son in Lawrence County, TN. I have been working on Job Daniel's ancestors & descendants with Beverly Markland, who is also in this group. We are wondering if you know anything more about these letters, or any other information about Job & Elizabeth that may be helpful in our research.
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Jame Daniel used to say that he had compiled quite a bit of information about Job & Elizabeth. Do you know if any of his research is available somewhere, such as Ancestry, MyHeritage, etc.?
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Hi, Carolyn, ?? I had to use DNA (Y) to connect my Josiah Daniel b 1805 NC to the Capt. William Daniel of Middlesex Co., VA, line. Not having any brothers, I found a Daniel male 1st cousin to do the test, then another man did it for us as he had his paper trail to share and that’s what I was lacking. He descends from a brother of my Josiah. We were one marker off on a 37 marker test and it was a “volatile” marker that can mutate in a 200 year period of time. It seems that it was exactly at our Josiah where that mutation took place as we remain one marker off from many other descendants of Capt. William (back to the 1600’s). A proven 3rd cousin then did the DNA test and matched my 1st cousin perfectly. I have a cousin who is working with DAR to see if they will accept the DNA match as we still cannot find one scrap of paper to prove that our Josiah was b in Caswell Co., NC. The process of elimination helped as we can’t find any other Daniel family in NC during the right time period who has an unidentified son b 1805. We also have the naming pattern where Josiah used his mother’s maiden name as a middle name for one of his sons and named a daughter Sarah after his mother (Sarah “Salley” Brown who m James Key Daniel). The 1st son was named James. Census records show Josiah b NC and parents b VA. James Key Daniel and Sarah “Salley” Brown were both b in VA and moved to NC. ???Maybe if you can find a descendant of Woodson who has done the DNA test it would help you. Georgia Daniel Cavanaugh ? Sent from for Windows ?
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Carolyn, I'm not sure that I understand your first question. We believe that Elizabeth Callaway & Elizabeth Andress were the same person. Callaway was her maiden name, & she was the wife of Joseph Job Daniel. We have read the documents in Elizabeth's pension application several times, & still reference them occasionally as we try to determine who Job's ancestors were.
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Janine,
Do you think that is generally accepted?? I was under the impression that there was evidence that they were not the same.?
But I don't know if there is a DNA test for the family that includes "Jack Daniel."?
I think there is a DNA test for descendants in Wayne County, TN who have paper-trail proof of descent from Job Daniel.
It has been many years since I have thought about this, I will look forward to reviewing.
Carolyn Smotherman
On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 02:02:45 PM CST, Janine Zerger LAST_NAME <jzerger@...> wrote:
Carolyn, I'm not sure that I understand your first question. We believe that Elizabeth Callaway & Elizabeth Andress were the same person. Callaway was her maiden name, & she was the wife of Joseph Job Daniel. We have read the documents in Elizabeth's pension application several times, & still reference them occasionally as we try to determine who Job's ancestors were.
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Carolyn, yes--I do think it's generally accepted that Elizabeth Andress & Elizabeth Callaway were the same person. It is believed that she was married to an Andress before she married Job.
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There are no Y-DNA tests in this project for descendants of Calaway Daniel, who was the son of Job Daniel & the father of Jasper Newton "Jack" Daniel. However, Beverly Markland's great grandfather, Wiley Butler Daniel, was Jack's brother. She is a member of this project & is who I've been working with to determine Job's parentage.
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There are Y-DNA tests in this project for the descendants of Job Daniel that lived in Wayne County, TN. For example, Job's son William (kit #14965), who was married to Argent, lived in Wayne County, where he died in 1849. And Job's son John, who was married to Avis, had two sons who lived in Wayne County before moving elsewhere--William Mack Daniel (kit #13589) & John Buckley Daniel (kit #4116). My ancestor was William Mack Daniel.
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As for paper trail evidence as proof of descendancy from Job, I've actually never seen any evidence, but am actively looking.?
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Dave, the place you see the DNA participants listed like you say is probably this:
This is a list of ALL of the test results, and not all of them are related. To see your actual relatives, you have to go to your own FTDNA pages at:
and log in as yourself to find your actual matches.
Hope this helps,
Clay
Hi Clay
My name is David Daniel, my oldest known ancestor is Britton Daniel b1815 on FTDNA you and I are both related closely along with Edward Daniel d1833. Do you have any idea how these lines are connected??
David Daniel
Janine, I think James Daniel is the person to talk to, as I now am fully convinced that my gg-grandfather Robert C. Daniel is a son? of Hiram Daniel, and not Joseph 'Job' Daniel. You are right that James Daniel had a lot of information but I don't know where it would be posted. Sorry to be so slow to respond, but this is a busy time.
Clay Daniels
On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 10:55?PM Janine Zerger LAST_NAME < jzerger@...> wrote:
Clay Daniels, I have a question about a comment that you made in this thread back in July of 2021. You were responding to James Daniel, & you mentioned your visit with Evely Van Meter. You also mentioned that Elizabeth (Job Daniel's wife) had written to her son in Lawrence County, TN. I have been working on Job Daniel's ancestors & descendants with Beverly Markland, who is also in this group. We are wondering if you know anything more about these letters, or any other information about Job & Elizabeth that may be helpful in our research.
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Jame Daniel used to say that he had compiled quite a bit of information about Job & Elizabeth. Do you know if any of his research is available somewhere, such as Ancestry, MyHeritage, etc.?
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Yes, sir, I was referring to the Family Tree DNA matches between us. We are YDNA matches.?
I'll start a new thread.
Dave, the place you see the DNA participants listed like you say is probably this:
This is a list of ALL of the test results, and not all of them are related. To see your actual relatives, you have to go to your own FTDNA pages at:
and log in as yourself to find your actual matches.
Hope this helps,
Clay
Hi Clay
My name is David Daniel, my oldest known ancestor is Britton Daniel b1815 on FTDNA you and I are both related closely along with Edward Daniel d1833. Do you have any idea how these lines are connected??
David Daniel
Janine, I think James Daniel is the person to talk to, as I now am fully convinced that my gg-grandfather Robert C. Daniel is a son? of Hiram Daniel, and not Joseph 'Job' Daniel. You are right that James Daniel had a lot of information but I don't know where it would be posted. Sorry to be so slow to respond, but this is a busy time.
Clay Daniels
On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 10:55?PM Janine Zerger LAST_NAME < jzerger@...> wrote:
Clay Daniels, I have a question about a comment that you made in this thread back in July of 2021. You were responding to James Daniel, & you mentioned your visit with Evely Van Meter. You also mentioned that Elizabeth (Job Daniel's wife) had written to her son in Lawrence County, TN. I have been working on Job Daniel's ancestors & descendants with Beverly Markland, who is also in this group. We are wondering if you know anything more about these letters, or any other information about Job & Elizabeth that may be helpful in our research.
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Jame Daniel used to say that he had compiled quite a bit of information about Job & Elizabeth. Do you know if any of his research is available somewhere, such as Ancestry, MyHeritage, etc.?
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Dave, I see your test 789487 Britton Daniel, b. 1814 and d. 1885
But I don't see it as one of my DNA matches. What am I missing? Clay
Yes, sir, I was referring to the Family Tree DNA matches between us. We are YDNA matches.?
I'll start a new thread.
Dave, the place you see the DNA participants listed like you say is probably this:
This is a list of ALL of the test results, and not all of them are related. To see your actual relatives, you have to go to your own FTDNA pages at:
and log in as yourself to find your actual matches.
Hope this helps,
Clay
Hi Clay
My name is David Daniel, my oldest known ancestor is Britton Daniel b1815 on FTDNA you and I are both related closely along with Edward Daniel d1833. Do you have any idea how these lines are connected??
David Daniel
Janine, I think James Daniel is the person to talk to, as I now am fully convinced that my gg-grandfather Robert C. Daniel is a son? of Hiram Daniel, and not Joseph 'Job' Daniel. You are right that James Daniel had a lot of information but I don't know where it would be posted. Sorry to be so slow to respond, but this is a busy time.
Clay Daniels
On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 10:55?PM Janine Zerger LAST_NAME < jzerger@...> wrote:
Clay Daniels, I have a question about a comment that you made in this thread back in July of 2021. You were responding to James Daniel, & you mentioned your visit with Evely Van Meter. You also mentioned that Elizabeth (Job Daniel's wife) had written to her son in Lawrence County, TN. I have been working on Job Daniel's ancestors & descendants with Beverly Markland, who is also in this group. We are wondering if you know anything more about these letters, or any other information about Job & Elizabeth that may be helpful in our research.
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Jame Daniel used to say that he had compiled quite a bit of information about Job & Elizabeth. Do you know if any of his research is available somewhere, such as Ancestry, MyHeritage, etc.?
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Under 67 marker matches, I have Clay Daniel, John Daniel Sr 1765-1847.? cdaniel@..., do I have the right person?
Dave, I see your test 789487 Britton Daniel, b. 1814 and d. 1885
But I don't see it as one of my DNA matches. What am I missing? Clay
Yes, sir, I was referring to the Family Tree DNA matches between us. We are YDNA matches.?
I'll start a new thread.
Dave, the place you see the DNA participants listed like you say is probably this:
This is a list of ALL of the test results, and not all of them are related. To see your actual relatives, you have to go to your own FTDNA pages at:
and log in as yourself to find your actual matches.
Hope this helps,
Clay
Hi Clay
My name is David Daniel, my oldest known ancestor is Britton Daniel b1815 on FTDNA you and I are both related closely along with Edward Daniel d1833. Do you have any idea how these lines are connected??
David Daniel
Janine, I think James Daniel is the person to talk to, as I now am fully convinced that my gg-grandfather Robert C. Daniel is a son? of Hiram Daniel, and not Joseph 'Job' Daniel. You are right that James Daniel had a lot of information but I don't know where it would be posted. Sorry to be so slow to respond, but this is a busy time.
Clay Daniels
On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 10:55?PM Janine Zerger LAST_NAME < jzerger@...> wrote:
Clay Daniels, I have a question about a comment that you made in this thread back in July of 2021. You were responding to James Daniel, & you mentioned your visit with Evely Van Meter. You also mentioned that Elizabeth (Job Daniel's wife) had written to her son in Lawrence County, TN. I have been working on Job Daniel's ancestors & descendants with Beverly Markland, who is also in this group. We are wondering if you know anything more about these letters, or any other information about Job & Elizabeth that may be helpful in our research.
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Jame Daniel used to say that he had compiled quite a bit of information about Job & Elizabeth. Do you know if any of his research is available somewhere, such as Ancestry, MyHeritage, etc.?
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The Clay Daniel you have has an email address of: cdaniel@...so no, that is not me.
Under 67 marker matches, I have Clay Daniel, John Daniel Sr 1765-1847.? cdaniel@..., do I have the right person? Dave, I see your test 789487 Britton Daniel, b. 1814 and d. 1885
But I don't see it as one of my DNA matches. What am I missing? Clay
Yes, sir, I was referring to the Family Tree DNA matches between us. We are YDNA matches.?
I'll start a new thread.
Dave, the place you see the DNA participants listed like you say is probably this:
This is a list of ALL of the test results, and not all of them are related. To see your actual relatives, you have to go to your own FTDNA pages at:
and log in as yourself to find your actual matches.
Hope this helps,
Clay
Hi Clay
My name is David Daniel, my oldest known ancestor is Britton Daniel b1815 on FTDNA you and I are both related closely along with Edward Daniel d1833. Do you have any idea how these lines are connected??
David Daniel
Janine, I think James Daniel is the person to talk to, as I now am fully convinced that my gg-grandfather Robert C. Daniel is a son? of Hiram Daniel, and not Joseph 'Job' Daniel. You are right that James Daniel had a lot of information but I don't know where it would be posted. Sorry to be so slow to respond, but this is a busy time.
Clay Daniels
On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 10:55?PM Janine Zerger LAST_NAME < jzerger@...> wrote:
Clay Daniels, I have a question about a comment that you made in this thread back in July of 2021. You were responding to James Daniel, & you mentioned your visit with Evely Van Meter. You also mentioned that Elizabeth (Job Daniel's wife) had written to her son in Lawrence County, TN. I have been working on Job Daniel's ancestors & descendants with Beverly Markland, who is also in this group. We are wondering if you know anything more about these letters, or any other information about Job & Elizabeth that may be helpful in our research.
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Jame Daniel used to say that he had compiled quite a bit of information about Job & Elizabeth. Do you know if any of his research is available somewhere, such as Ancestry, MyHeritage, etc.?
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Dave