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Hi Kevin

Some years ago I was emailing a descendant of the Daniels of Tabley. He said they are R1b and not I2.

I think the same may be true of the Middlesex VA Daniels.

Jack

Hi Jack,
??? The haplogroup of the descendants of William Daniel of Middlesex County, VA is I-M253. This line has impeccable primary evidence to support identification of multiple descendants of William Daniel's two oldest sons, William Jr. and Robert. All test to I-M253. As noted on Pam's page, there is ample primary record evidence to support the probability that James Daniel, "step-"son of William Daniel, was the son of Jochebed and her previous husband and descendants of his line are R-M269. I have not looked at the primary record evidence around identifying the descendants of James but have done so for William Jr. and Robert. It is solid.
??? The alternative would be that the DNA of the lines of both of William's oldest sons, William Jr. and Robert, was broken by men with the same Y DNA. This even less likely because descendants of multiple sons of both men have tested and their Y DNA matches. I guess it is also possible that the line of James Daniel is broken and he was actually I-M253.

http://pamiller.net/genealogy/docs/danielmiddlesex/danieldna/james.htm

?? If there is evidence which contradicts these findings, I am certain that Pam would be very interested in knowing about it. She can be contacted through her web site. I don't think Pam has joined this Daniel group, yet. I will send her an invitation.

?? Primary record evidence clearly proves that the William Daniel who married Dorothy Forth never left England and his sons, who also never left England, had no children. The idea that William Daniel and Dorothy Forth or their sons came to America and were progenitors of Daniel lines here was most likely due to one or more researchers many years ago trying to build a fictional ancestry linking them to the most prominent William Daniel they could identify. There was never any kind of primary record evidence to support this claim.

?? We do have a member of the Over Tabley/Cheshire Daniel family in the Daniel DNA Project. I don't remember what his haplogroup is but his Y DNA does not match any other Daniel men in the Daniel DNA Project. He is the only member of the project who can trace ancestry back to the Over Tabley or Cheshire Daniel families. I believe he and his family still live in Cheshire. That being said, I would not consider this line proved since we have only one participant from this line. Neither R1b/R-M269 or? I2/I-M253 would be an unusual haplogroup for Cheshire families.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_British_Isles

?? As far as I can recall, no American Daniel lines in the Daniel DNA Project can trace their ancestry using primary records back to a Daniel man in the UK before 1800. If anyone is aware of such a line please chime in!

?? We do have some Daniel men in Australia and South Africa (?) who can trace their line back to a Daniel family in England which was landed gentry. That line goes back pretty far.

Kevin