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Hello everyone. I would like to introduce myself. My name is Billy and ?I am a new Dalton lathe owner. It is a lot 4 ser. no.1066 and is a 30” machine. It sits on a a chip pan and regular legs without a cabinet and came with a 3 jaw Chuck, a mystery plate that screws on the nose, a steady rest, the counter drive, and a set of change gears. The change gears are a little different than the ones listed that come with it on here though. There are 14: 24, 24, 36, 40, 44, 46, 48, 52, 54, 56, 60, 66, 72, and the spoked 96. Also the thread chart plate on the gear cover looks to have a factory modification on the 40 through 56 thread spots. Has anyone else encountered this? Thank you?
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Welcome to the group Bill
As to change gears you look to have the full set though I think you should have also a 30 tooth.? The second 24 tooth is usually paired with the 72 at the idler position on the banjo when compounding for fine threads and slow feeds.? As to the tags yes we have seen a number of oddities.? Some with overlays changing the address at the top of the tag.? I think we have one other lathe that has the change like yours but also there are some and I have one that also has a small square tag showing what metric threads could be cut with the change gears provided with the lathe.? Seems Dalton never liked wasting a tag that had a mistake on it.??
You need to add pictures to the picture file so we can all see your lathe and countershaft setup.? Your serial number puts your lathe mid teens production.? Probably 1915 or so.? We don't have a chart showing serial numbers by date.? We do know that each lot number has its own sequential seral number list.? We did not know this till years ago when duplicate seral numbers started showing up but different lot numbers.? What this showed was that Dalton built a lot more lathes than we originally thought.? Seems the Dalton 9 lathe or 9 1/2 inch was the largest number produced at over 14,000 though they are also the least number found.? War production we feel is the reason that the lager lathes were used up in war production and scrapped.
Picture is of my Lot 4 the first one I found as it was given to me in 1997 and I did not find another one till 2000 when I met Andy Sargent owner of the Old Iron.com web site.
Dennis
On Sunday, February 7, 2021, 06:46:50 AM PST, williamagrissom@... <williamagrissom@...> wrote:
Hello everyone. I would like to introduce myself. My name is Billy and ?I am a new Dalton lathe owner. It is a lot 4 ser. no.1066 and is a 30” machine. It sits on a a chip pan and regular legs without a cabinet and came with a 3 jaw Chuck, a mystery plate that screws on the nose, a steady rest, the counter drive, and a set of change gears. The change gears are a little different than the ones listed that come with it on here though. There are 14: 24, 24, 36, 40, 44, 46, 48, 52, 54, 56, 60, 66, 72, and the spoked 96. Also the thread chart plate on the gear cover looks to have a factory modification on the 40 through 56 thread spots. Has anyone else encountered this? Thank you?
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Thank you Dennis! I will post pics as soon as I get it cleaned up and put back together... the previous owner acquired it when he bought his house and apparently that fellow did lots of woodworking because it was caked in sawdust everywhere. He also painted it Ford blue and it is all flaking off. I should have taken before pictures but I was so excited when I got it home I started tearing it apart. I plan on repainting it black and red like yours and restoring it the best I can and using the snot out of it.?
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Also, something of note. When I took the straight toothed piece off the bed that advances the apron/saddle, there was a paper under it marked 1917 with a typewriter. Maybe this along with my serial number will help sort out dates for these things.?
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Willam: ?could you take a pic of that page? ?the font might provide a clue
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Also, something of note. When I took the straight toothed piece off the bed that advances the apron/saddle, there was a paper under it marked 1917 with a typewriter. Maybe this along with my serial number will help sort out dates for these things.?
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Kinda sounds like someone wanted to increase the lash a tad and stuck a piece of paper under something. My memories of the guts of the lot 4 apron gearing doesn't include anything like that though, but then again my memory seems to be fading lately.
On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 6:12 PM Grey Pilgrim < pilgrim23@...> wrote: Willam: ?could you take a pic of that page? ?the font might provide a clue
Also, something of note. When I took the straight toothed piece off the bed that advances the apron/saddle, there was a paper under it marked 1917 with a typewriter. Maybe this along with my serial number will help sort out dates for these things.?
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here is the pics of the mystery 1917 paper. It may have been a shim or something. Each spot above the screws that hold it on has a square spot that looks like a apart was there. ?  
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Good morning.? ?
Looks like someone had used paper to shim the rack gear down a bit from the bed to try and get the pinion gear on the apron to fit a bit closer.? Its the first time I have seen a date stamped on a rack gear.? ? ??
Dennis
On Monday, February 15, 2021, 07:07:00 AM PST, <williamagrissom@...> wrote:
here is the pics of the mystery 1917 paper. It may have been a shim or something. Each spot above the screws that hold it on has a square spot that looks like a apart was there. ?  
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the font is serif ? that would denote a “pica” typewriter. ?
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Good morning.? ?
Looks like someone had used paper to shim the rack gear down a bit from the bed to try and get the pinion gear on the apron to fit a bit closer.? Its the first time I have seen a date stamped on a rack gear.? ? ??
Dennis
here is the pics of the mystery 1917 paper. It may have been a shim or something. Each spot above the screws that hold it on has a square spot that looks like a apart was there.
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Looks like you need to find a couple of cans of Mr. Muscle oven cleaner and spray all the parts to your lathe.? this stuff will strip all the old paint grease and grim off your lathe parts.? leave them over night then? rinse with hot water blow dry and your ready for paint.? If you have a buffer with a soft wire brush you can also buff the parts before paint.? Wire brush all the exposed metal surfaces and mask.? If you have parts with rust on them we use Evapo-Rust to strip any corrosion off the parts then wire brush.? You get Evapo-Rust from Harbor Freight.? Picture is what a Dalton looks like that has had all its parts sprayed with Mr. Muscle oven cleaner.? Before and after. also what the lathe looked like when completed.? This is Professor John Glands of Liberty Iowa's Dalton.? Unfortunately we lost John this last year to prostate cancer:-(
Dennis
On Monday, February 15, 2021, 07:07:00 AM PST, williamagrissom@... <williamagrissom@...> wrote:
here is the pics of the mystery 1917 paper. It may have been a shim or something. Each spot above the screws that hold it on has a square spot that looks like a apart was there. ?  
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That seems like a much better way to do this than what I have been. I have been taking each sub assembly piece by piece and start to finish working on it... that way I don’t get anything mixed up.. is the red can Mr. Muscle the stuff to use? It looks like there are a few choices. This is what the whole thing looks like right now in a corner in my garage. Also, can anyone clue me in to what this “faceplate?” Is used for? It came with it and threads onto it, I’ve just never seen anything like it.   Thank you. 
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Looks like a version of a lathe dog driving plate with some kind of bolt on feature for some odd use I bet.
On Monday, February 15, 2021, 09:07:00 AM PST, <williamagrissom@...> wrote:
That seems like a much better way to do this than what I have been. I have been taking each sub assembly piece by piece and start to finish working on it... that way I don’t get anything mixed up.. is the red can Mr. Muscle the stuff to use? It looks like there are a few choices. This is what the whole thing looks like right now in a corner in my garage. Also, can anyone clue me in to what this “faceplate?” Is used for? It came with it and threads onto it, I’ve just never seen anything like it.   Thank you. 
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As to Mr. Muscle oven cleaner all you can get now is oven and barbeque spray.? It works OK not as good as the old Green can oven spray, that stuff was a killer. Here in Oregon I can only get it from a janitorial supply store or on line but the price on line is all over the place. Janitorial supply is your best bet.? Still expensive but it does work great.?
On Monday, February 15, 2021, 09:45:35 AM PST, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:
Looks like a version of a lathe dog driving plate with some kind of bolt on feature for some odd use I bet.
On Monday, February 15, 2021, 09:07:00 AM PST, <williamagrissom@...> wrote:
That seems like a much better way to do this than what I have been. I have been taking each sub assembly piece by piece and start to finish working on it... that way I don’t get anything mixed up.. is the red can Mr. Muscle the stuff to use? It looks like there are a few choices. This is what the whole thing looks like right now in a corner in my garage. Also, can anyone clue me in to what this “faceplate?” Is used for? It came with it and threads onto it, I’ve just never seen anything like it.   Thank you. 
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I used a similar setup to wind springs. Long springs of heavy wire required a lathe and a lot of eye/hand coordination. L
On Monday, February 15, 2021, 12:45:46 PM EST, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:
Looks like a version of a lathe dog driving plate with some kind of bolt on feature for some odd use I bet.
On Monday, February 15, 2021, 09:07:00 AM PST, <williamagrissom@...> wrote:
That seems like a much better way to do this than what I have been. I have been taking each sub assembly piece by piece and start to finish working on it... that way I don’t get anything mixed up.. is the red can Mr. Muscle the stuff to use? It looks like there are a few choices. This is what the whole thing looks like right now in a corner in my garage. Also, can anyone clue me in to what this “faceplate?” Is used for? It came with it and threads onto it, I’ve just never seen anything like it.   Thank you. 
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Someone just configured it for some specific job. There is a bolt on it to secure the dog tail in place.
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On Feb 15, 2021, at 9:06 AM, williamagrissom@... wrote: That seems like a much better way to do this than what I have been. I have been taking each sub assembly piece by piece and start to finish working on it... that way I don’t get anything mixed up.. is the red can Mr. Muscle the stuff to use? It looks like there are a few choices. This is what the whole thing looks like right now in a corner in my garage. Also, can anyone clue me in to what this “faceplate?” Is used for? It came with it and threads onto it, I’ve just never seen anything like it. <image.jpg><image.jpg>Thank you.<image.jpg>
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Thank you guys for all the info!?
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Dennis Turk
