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My Lot 2 Lathe Identification photos etc


 

I’ve previously shown photo(s) of my Lathe, just a general front view but I'm now loading 4 more detailed photos of my Lathe, one identifies my lathe as a Lot 2, Serial No 23 as shown on the end of Lathe Bed. The other photos are of the Lathe End Gears, the Back Gears and a general Rear view of the Lathe from the end of the Lathe Bed. Anyway as far as I can tell after slowly turning all the Gears by hand it appears that they are all in tact, with no chipped or broken teeth. As you can see the Lathe could do with cleaning up and painting to look in far more presentable state, what would you recommend for this (a cleaning aid to bring it back to look like new condition if possible).


 

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remains of original Japanning? ?that is an awesome lathe. ?Thanks

On Apr 11, 2022, at 10:49 AM, Bryan Alton via <bryanalton@...> wrote:

I’ve previously shown photo(s) of my Lathe, just a general front view but I'm now loading 4 more detailed photos of my Lathe, one identifies my lathe as a Lot 2, Serial No 23 as shown on the end of Lathe Bed. The other photos are of the Lathe End Gears, the Back Gears and a general Rear view of the Lathe from the end of the Lathe Bed. Anyway as far as I can tell after slowly turning all the Gears by hand it appears that they are all in tact, with no chipped or broken teeth. As you can see the Lathe could do with cleaning up and painting to look in far more presentable state, what would you recommend for this (a cleaning aid to bring it back to look like new condition if possible).
<Lathe Identification Number.JPG><Lathe Back Gears.JPG><Lathe End Gears.JPG><Lathe Other End of Bed.JPG>


Glen Linscheid
 

Bryon,
What are the two straps bolted to the back of the bed below the headstock?


Glen Linscheid
 

Those previously named by me as "straps" when the photo is expanded look to be bosses cast into the bed, right?


 

Yes, see photo


 

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So Bryan you seem to have the oldest Dalton known of.? Serial number 25 is owned by Jim Veres.? I also? have an early Lot 2 that’s serial number 36.? I believe there is another very early one out there also but right now don’t remember the serial number.? If you look at the one photo of the back of the bed you see a rather odd bolt pattern just bellow the head stock.? The very early Lot 2 lathes came with a rather unique horizontal countershaft that bolted to? these features on the bed. The first picture is what Jim’s lathe looks like today.?

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From: Bryan Alton via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2022 10:49 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [DaltonLathes] My Lot 2 Lathe Identification photos etc

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I’ve previously shown photo(s) of my Lathe, just a general front view but I'm now loading 4 more detailed photos of my Lathe, one identifies my lathe as a Lot 2, Serial No 23 as shown on the end of Lathe Bed. The other photos are of the Lathe End Gears, the Back Gears and a general Rear view of the Lathe from the end of the Lathe Bed. Anyway as far as I can tell after slowly turning all the Gears by hand it appears that they are all in tact, with no chipped or broken teeth. As you can see the Lathe could do with cleaning up and painting to look in far more presentable state, what would you recommend for this (a cleaning aid to bring it back to look like new condition if possible).

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Dennis i didn't think or realise my Lathe's Serial Number had any special significance, the earliest Lot 2 Lathe still in recorded existence, I've only sent that photograph so that you might Log my Lathe in your Data Entry of known Dalton Lathes as you don't appear to have done so previously. I wasn’t aware of the lugs on the back of the headstock either, I didn’t notice them even when photographing the Back Gears to the Rear of the Headstock, only being aware of them from Glenasking about them and then of their role by you, Dennis.?

Moving on, can you recommend a cleaning method to spruce up my Lathe to something like those shown in your photos, I note Grey says my Lathe has been subject to Japanning, I don't really know?

I might add that I acquired my Dalton Lathe by accident, I've very little if no Engineering experience to think of, I was looking for a Small, Mini Lathe, possible a new Chinese one or something like a Myford ML3 so I'm told. Anyway just a small Lathe that would fit in a corner of my garage, but I purchased the Dalton in shear panic without having any knowledge of these lathes or any other.

After purchase I found details of this Website and I've been bumbling along from there on.

The countershaft assembly was fixed (I believe I've mentioned this in an earlier correspondence), I've made two attempts at making a Clutch System for swapping over the belt drive, the first failed whereas the second which is built of wood!? appears to work affectively (I will publish photos of this when I'm satisfied everything works Ok). Even now I'm in two minds whether I should be restoring an old Lathe like this or not.

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Good Morning Bryan

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As to Japanning here is what it is.? Jappaning is a process I think we got from the Japan back in the 1700’s.? Its made of two parts pure gum turpentine two parts boiled linseed oil and one part Asfaltom or asfalt which is the black mineral used as a pigment for color.? Other pigments could be used also for different colors.? The thick liquid is brushed on and let air dry over two days.? In that time the coating will lay out very flat covering a lot of the casting grain and flaws.?? Something that pain of any kind does not do.? After the coating has dried it will be baked three times each time at higher temps the last being 350 to 400 degrees.? Between baking the castings or parts will be rubbed with pumes powder using cheese cloth to hold the powder.?? Some companies used a bit of pine tree rosin as a hardener.??? In my restorations I have usually used semi gloss Rustolium paint first brushing on several coats then a final coat with a rattle can.? In my early work I only brushed the paint.? On machines I have restored that are not black I have used a Pittsburge enamel that I have custom mixed.? In later ones I have found a place in town that will put the custom paint in rattle cans for me.? Kind of expensive but works really well. The last two Daltons I restored I did not paint them as I? have found that 65% gloss black powder coat replicates the look and texture of japanning much better than paint.? I do paint the bed as I don’t like to subject the bed to the high temps.? It might be noted that colors were very hard when using japanning.? I have a lathe built by Ames of Chicopee Ma. In 1845 that was japanned with blue on the lathe with a salmon color on the inside of the bed.? The lathe also had red pinstriping on it.? Blue was a very difficult color as the only pigment was kobalt and the only source of it was a mine in Romania up till the early 1890’s when a substatute was found. ?Picture is included in this post is that lathe.? Still looking for someone to do the pinstriping for me. This lathe was found in a antique shop in Boise Idaho two years ago.? It had been sitting in that shop since 2002 when the 91 year old owner passed on and the family took it to the shop.? Its one of five known of.

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As to restoration of your lathe that is up to you and we will help any way we can Bryan.? I always dismantle the lathe then using Mr. Muscle oven cleaner I strip the castings and parts of all old grease oil and paint or japanning.? I use a large soft power brush wheel to buff the castings and parts and only use white scotch bright pad to clean up machined surfaces.? I do any repair work on parts before I start painting. Again using the power brush wheel I buff all the hardware and small parts that are not painted.? If you use a cordless drill you can hold bolts nuts and other round parts to buff them.? Hand wheels and hand cranks I again use the cordless drill and after buffing I then go to my power scotch bright wheel I have on a stand grinder to bring back a nice luster that make things look like new parts.? I also have a large ?(12 inch) cloth polishing wheel that I use to put a high polish on hand cranks and hand wheel rims.

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Glen I think your correct in what the red material is that was used on the collet draw bars.? It’s a fiber or layered material.? I think that is the same material that was used on the trust washers on the spindle.

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So you can see that I did make a back plate for the chuck that in the first picture is just sitting on the end of the spindle thread.? I made the back plate as well as the square head bolts that make it look period correct.? This lathe out of the five known of is the most complete and in the best condition.? This lathe should really go back to CT to the Heritage museum there were they are preserving all our industrial heritage. ?Just trivia but there are features on this lathe that were not seen on other lathes till after the Civil war.? Oh and Ames built cannons for the union army during the civil war.? I will note that ever bolt and nut on this machine is none standard.? You will find they are all an inch dimensions but the threads per inch are all bastard sizes.? Like ?-22 and 5/16-26

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Hope you guys don’t mind me getting off subject at times?? Dennis

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From: Bryan Alton via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 9:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] My Lot 2 Lathe Identification photos etc

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Dennis i didn't think or realise my Lathe's Serial Number had any special significance, the earliest Lot 2 Lathe still in recorded existence, I've only sent that photograph so that you might Log my Lathe in your Data Entry of known Dalton Lathes as you don't appear to have done so previously. I wasn’t aware of the lugs on the back of the headstock either, I didn’t notice them even when photographing the Back Gears to the Rear of the Headstock, only being aware of them from Glenasking about them and then of their role by you, Dennis.?

Moving on, can you recommend a cleaning method to spruce up my Lathe to something like those shown in your photos, I note Grey says my Lathe has been subject to Japanning, I don't really know?

I might add that I acquired my Dalton Lathe by accident, I've very little if no Engineering experience to think of, I was looking for a Small, Mini Lathe, possible a new Chinese one or something like a Myford ML3 so I'm told. Anyway just a small Lathe that would fit in a corner of my garage, but I purchased the Dalton in shear panic without having any knowledge of these lathes or any other.

After purchase I found details of this Website and I've been bumbling along from there on.

The countershaft assembly was fixed (I believe I've mentioned this in an earlier correspondence), I've made two attempts at making a Clutch System for swapping over the belt drive, the first failed whereas the second which is built of wood!? appears to work affectively (I will publish photos of this when I'm satisfied everything works Ok). Even now I'm in two minds whether I should be restoring an old Lathe like this or not.

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It does sound like I will need a Second Lathe to help restoring this one so I might be buying my Chinese Lathe after all, I can't help being apprehensive about restoring my Lathe as this is more for someone with an Engineering background. On another note that is very interesting to find my Lathe was built to have a Countershaft Assembly attachment like your friend, I wouldn't mind something like that for mine but they are going to be as rare as Hen's Teeth. There's a Lot 2 Lathe on Ebay ? It's been cleaned up but its minus it's casings and appears to have teeth missing out of the Backgear, but I'm no expert to really comment on it's condition.