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Hi Dalton Enthusiasts! Thanks for so many pictures and helpful links in support of these really nice machines.? I have a Lot 4 serial # 3033 that is dressed in an old powder coating.? This one was covered in about an inch of sawdust (it's in a woodshop).? It took me awhile to get dusted off, cleaned, oiled and greased.? It's running ok now but I'll be working on more cleaning and perhaps a conversion to oil. Thanks again for all the pictures and information posted here.? Special big thanks to Tony the Dalton guy for so much great information as well.? All that helped me understand what I had and how to fix it.? The six speed headstock is kind of a mind bender, I found this patent that explains the gears, as well as some very helpful diagrams.?? This Dalton was owned by a family member who said it was used on an early US submarine for the navy.? The kit includes a 3 jaw (with an extra set of jaws), a 4 jaw, a few plates, and some other bits of kit that are all coated with the same powder coating.? The drive pulley looks like for an overhead mounting (my guess),? and sits behind on the bench.? The drive pulley is coated similarly.? Including some pictures of this for those interested.     If there's any other pictures you'd like to see I'll send em.?? One question:? what are the pros and cons of grease vs oil?? Many of the setups here are oil, and if anyone can speak to the reasons why I might undertake a conversion project, I'd be grateful to hear your take on it.? I'm researching this but any help is much appreciated. Thanks again!??
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Grease is a no-no with any lathe. ?and especially a metal lathe. ships will stick in grease and score delicate areas of the machinery.. ?Beautiful pictures and that is a unique chuck. ?
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Hi Dalton Enthusiasts!
Thanks for so many pictures and helpful links in support of these really nice machines.? I have a Lot 4 serial # 3033 that is dressed in an old powder coating.?
This one was covered in about an inch of sawdust (it's in a woodshop).? It took me awhile to get dusted off, cleaned, oiled and greased.? It's running ok now but I'll be working on more cleaning and perhaps a conversion to oil.
Thanks again for all the pictures and information posted here.? Special big thanks to Tony the Dalton guy for so much great information as well.? All that helped me understand what I had and how to fix it.? The six speed headstock is kind of a mind bender, I found this patent that explains the gears, as well as some very helpful diagrams.??
This Dalton was owned by a family member who said it was used on an early US submarine for the navy.? The kit includes a 3 jaw (with an extra set of jaws), a 4 jaw, a few plates, and some other bits of kit that are all coated with the same powder coating.? The drive pulley looks like for an overhead mounting (my guess),? and sits behind on the bench.? The drive pulley is coated similarly.? Including some pictures of this for those interested.
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If there's any other pictures you'd like to see I'll send em.??
One question:? what are the pros and cons of grease vs oil?? Many of the setups here are oil, and if anyone can speak to the reasons why I might undertake a conversion project, I'd be grateful to hear your take on it.? I'm researching this but any help is much appreciated.
Thanks again!??
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Just a note here and that is your Dalton was never intended to be lubricated with grease.? Only oil should be used.? Way lube on the slide ways I prefer Vactra number 4 and spindle oil on the rest of the lathe. ? Sent from for Windows 10 ?
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From: jcwynholds@...Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 8:14 AM To: [email protected]Subject: [DaltonLathes] Lot 4 Dalton - Info and Question about grease vs oil ? Hi Dalton Enthusiasts!
Thanks for so many pictures and helpful links in support of these really nice machines.? I have a Lot 4 serial # 3033 that is dressed in an old powder coating.?
This one was covered in about an inch of sawdust (it's in a woodshop).? It took me awhile to get dusted off, cleaned, oiled and greased.? It's running ok now but I'll be working on more cleaning and perhaps a conversion to oil.
Thanks again for all the pictures and information posted here.? Special big thanks to Tony the Dalton guy for so much great information as well.? All that helped me understand what I had and how to fix it.? The six speed headstock is kind of a mind bender, I found this patent that explains the gears, as well as some very helpful diagrams.??
This Dalton was owned by a family member who said it was used on an early US submarine for the navy.? The kit includes a 3 jaw (with an extra set of jaws), a 4 jaw, a few plates, and some other bits of kit that are all coated with the same powder coating.? The drive pulley looks like for an overhead mounting (my guess),? and sits behind on the bench.? The drive pulley is coated similarly.? Including some pictures of this for those interested.
If there's any other pictures you'd like to see I'll send em.??
One question:? what are the pros and cons of grease vs oil?? Many of the setups here are oil, and if anyone can speak to the reasons why I might undertake a conversion project, I'd be grateful to hear your take on it.? I'm researching this but any help is much appreciated.
Thanks again!??
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Dennis,
According to the spreadsheet you put together years ago, if this lathe is truly a Lot 4, it is a very early version based on its serial number.
I know just enough about Dalton lathes to get in trouble hon this, but would a B4, Lot 5 would make more sense? Can you tell from the photos which version this is?
Dan
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+1 for what Dennis said about oil. ?Do away with all the grease. ?
Also, FWIW, my old 1925 south bend was used as a woodworking tool for a few years then ?storied for 60 years in an unheated garage, with a heavy covering of sawdust and oil. No rust at all. Sawdust is a great preservative. ?
However, here’s the catch. Clean it off, and all the protection goes away. ?Over time, the sawdust leaches all the protective oils off of the ?castings, and micropores of the machined surfaces, so Rust forms quickly after removal. So if/when you initially remove all the sawdust and crud, put a nice heavy coating?of way oil, any oil, right back on all the surfaces right away. Same day if possible. Let it “soak” until you are ready to use the machine.?
Then, once again, wipe it off. ?This last last wipe down you will likely remove more grayish, microscopic crude from your machine surfaces. oil and wipe two or three more times until you get no streaking ?on your shop towel, and you’ll be readily to go.?
As Dennis recommended, Vactra way oil is really good stuff for the ways.
Glenn?
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On Apr 18, 2021, at 9:22 AM, Dennis Turk < dennis.turk2@...> wrote: Just a note here and that is your Dalton was never intended to be lubricated with grease.? Only oil should be used.? Way lube on the slide ways I prefer Vactra number 4 and spindle oil on the rest of the lathe. ? Sent from for Windows 10 ? ? Hi Dalton Enthusiasts!
Thanks for so many pictures and helpful links in support of these really nice machines.? I have a Lot 4 serial # 3033 that is dressed in an old powder coating.?
This one was covered in about an inch of sawdust (it's in a woodshop).? It took me awhile to get dusted off, cleaned, oiled and greased.? It's running ok now but I'll be working on more cleaning and perhaps a conversion to oil.
Thanks again for all the pictures and information posted here.? Special big thanks to Tony the Dalton guy for so much great information as well.? All that helped me understand what I had and how to fix it.? The six speed headstock is kind of a mind bender, I found this patent that explains the gears, as well as some very helpful diagrams.??
This Dalton was owned by a family member who said it was used on an early US submarine for the navy.? The kit includes a 3 jaw (with an extra set of jaws), a 4 jaw, a few plates, and some other bits of kit that are all coated with the same powder coating.? The drive pulley looks like for an overhead mounting (my guess),? and sits behind on the bench.? The drive pulley is coated similarly.? Including some pictures of this for those interested.
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If there's any other pictures you'd like to see I'll send em.??
One question:? what are the pros and cons of grease vs oil?? Many of the setups here are oil, and if anyone can speak to the reasons why I might undertake a conversion project, I'd be grateful to hear your take on it.? I'm researching this but any help is much appreciated.
Thanks again!??
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+1 for what Dennis said about oil. ?Do away with all the grease. ?
Also, FWIW, my old 1925 south bend was used as a woodworking tool for a few years then ?storied for 60 years in an unheated garage, with a heavy covering of sawdust and oil. No rust at all. Sawdust is a great preservative. ?
However, here’s the catch. Clean it off, and all the protection goes away. ?Over time, the sawdust leaches all the protective oils off of the ?castings, and micropores of the machined surfaces, so Rust forms quickly after removal. So if/when you initially remove all the sawdust and crud, put a nice heavy coating?of way oil, any oil, right back on all the surfaces right away. Same day if possible. Let it “soak” until you are ready to use the machine.?
Then, once again, wipe it off. ?This last last wipe down you will likely remove more grayish, microscopic crude from your machine surfaces. oil and wipe two or three more times until you get no streaking ?on your shop towel, and you’ll be readily to go.?
As Dennis recommended, Vactra way oil is really good stuff for the ways.
Glenn?
Just a note here and that is your Dalton was never intended to be lubricated with grease.? Only oil should be used.? Way lube on the slide ways I prefer Vactra number 4 and spindle oil on the rest of the lathe. ? Sent from??for Windows 10 ? ? Hi Dalton Enthusiasts!
Thanks for so many pictures and helpful links in support of these really nice machines.? I have a Lot 4 serial # 3033 that is dressed in an old powder coating.??
This one was covered in about an inch of sawdust (it's in a woodshop).? It took me awhile to get dusted off, cleaned, oiled and greased.? It's running ok now but I'll be working on more cleaning and perhaps a conversion to oil.
Thanks again for all the pictures and information posted here.? Special big thanks to Tony the Dalton guy for so much great information as well.? All that helped me understand what I had and how to fix it.? The six speed headstock is kind of a mind bender, I found this patent that explains the gears, as well as some very helpful diagrams.??
This Dalton was owned by a family member who said it was used on an early US submarine for the navy.? The kit includes a 3 jaw (with an extra set of jaws), a 4 jaw, a few plates, and some other bits of kit that are all coated with the same powder coating.? The drive pulley looks like for an overhead mounting (my guess),? and sits behind on the bench.? The drive pulley is coated similarly.? Including some pictures of this for those interested.
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If there's any other pictures you'd like to see I'll send em.??
One question:? what are the pros and cons of grease vs oil?? Many of the setups here are oil, and if anyone can speak to the reasons why I might undertake a conversion project, I'd be grateful to hear your take on it.? I'm researching this but any help is much appreciated.
Thanks again!???
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Your lathe is definitely a Lot 4 as it? does not haves the longitudinal power feed like the Lot 5 does other than that one feature they are the same lathe.? Also your top? slide or compound slide is of the later version so your lathe was made after 1915.? Lot 4 lathes before this date usually have the Lot 3 compound on them.? Little difference in function? just visually they are different. Also take head of Dan’s comments on cleaning and lubricating the lathe as extended wood work on a metal lathe can have adverse affects. One other thing to note guys is after 1925 or 26 Dalton stopped using change gears with spokes and later model lathes have full disc change gears. ? Sent from for Windows 10 ?
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From: DanLinsSent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:20 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Lot 4 Dalton - Info and Question about grease vs oil ? Dennis,
According to the spreadsheet you put together years ago, if this lathe is truly a Lot 4, it is a very early version based on its serial number.
I know just enough about Dalton lathes to get in trouble hon this, but would a B4, Lot 5 would make more sense? Can you tell from the photos which version this is?
Dan
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Hey Glen and Dan wanted to let you know that I have had to move the rest of the antique machines out of Turk Mfg.? So I now have all 30 of them back home.? So anyone here in Oregon or Washington want an antique lathe let me know got lots of them.? The Atlas lathes would make good home shop lathes as well as one of the Daltons.?? Dennis ? Sent from for Windows 10 ?
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From: Grey PilgrimSent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:53 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Lot 4 Dalton - Info and Question about grease vs oil ? ? +1 for what Dennis said about oil. ?Do away with all the grease. ? Also, FWIW, my old 1925 south bend was used as a woodworking tool for a few years then ?storied for 60 years in an unheated garage, with a heavy covering of sawdust and oil. No rust at all. Sawdust is a great preservative. ? However, here’s the catch. Clean it off, and all the protection goes away. ?Over time, the sawdust leaches all the protective oils off of the ?castings, and micropores of the machined surfaces, so Rust forms quickly after removal. So if/when you initially remove all the sawdust and crud, put a nice heavy coating?of way oil, any oil, right back on all the surfaces right away. Same day if possible. Let it “soak” until you are ready to use the machine.? Then, once again, wipe it off. ?This last last wipe down you will likely remove more grayish, microscopic crude from your machine surfaces. oil and wipe two or three more times until you get no streaking ?on your shop towel, and you’ll be readily to go.? As Dennis recommended, Vactra way oil is really good stuff for the ways. ? Just a note here and that is your Dalton was never intended to be lubricated with grease.? Only oil should be used.? Way lube on the slide ways I prefer Vactra number 4 and spindle oil on the rest of the lathe. Sent from??for Windows 10 Hi Dalton Enthusiasts!
Thanks for so many pictures and helpful links in support of these really nice machines.? I have a Lot 4 serial # 3033 that is dressed in an old powder coating.??
This one was covered in about an inch of sawdust (it's in a woodshop).? It took me awhile to get dusted off, cleaned, oiled and greased.? It's running ok now but I'll be working on more cleaning and perhaps a conversion to oil.
Thanks again for all the pictures and information posted here.? Special big thanks to Tony the Dalton guy for so much great information as well.? All that helped me understand what I had and how to fix it.? The six speed headstock is kind of a mind bender, I found this patent that explains the gears, as well as some very helpful diagrams.??
This Dalton was owned by a family member who said it was used on an early US submarine for the navy.? The kit includes a 3 jaw (with an extra set of jaws), a 4 jaw, a few plates, and some other bits of kit that are all coated with the same powder coating.? The drive pulley looks like for an overhead mounting (my guess),? and sits behind on the bench.? The drive pulley is coated similarly.? Including some pictures of this for those interested.
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<Screenshot 2021-04-16 at 1.53.09 PM.png><Screenshot 2021-04-16 at 1.54.34 PM.png>
<Screenshot 2021-04-16 at 1.52.30 PM.png>
If there's any other pictures you'd like to see I'll send em.??
One question:? what are the pros and cons of grease vs oil?? Many of the setups here are oil, and if anyone can speak to the reasons why I might undertake a conversion project, I'd be grateful to hear your take on it.? I'm researching this but any help is much appreciated.
Thanks again!???
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Thanks Dennis, had been wondering where to find lists of serials and manufacturing dates.
Again thanks all for the replies and information.? This is great to learn and I will definitely be finding the suggested ways oil as well as converting to oil.
Here's been my process on getting it cleaned up.? The lathe had some rusting, was caked in sawdust, and has been run in grease.
First off is unplug and triple check there's no power.? My lawyer told me to say this first off :P
First pass was with a brush and dry clean cotton t-shirt rag.? Rust spots with #0000 steel wool with light touch. Made sure all steel wool bits removed with dry t-shirt.
Next was aerosol gun cleaner stuff.? Made by a popular brand. Cleaner stuff that evaporates and leaves a thin oil coat.? Sprayed on and wiped off with another clean rag.?
Nylon brushes around the bearings, drive, carriage, gears, and anywhere there was grease.
Left a thin coat of oil. Everywhere.
Just wanted to leave a bit more info in case someone else might stumble across it.
Still being cleaned.? Great tip about that Vactra No 2.? On the shopping list now.
Can't wait to get a set of those beautiful looking oilers on the bearings.? It'll be a job but worth it.? Any tips appreciated on how to get that done.
Thanks again
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Thanks again for the great tip on that Vactra ways oil.? Great stuff.
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Dennis Turk
Dan Linscheid
glenn brooks
