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I'm finally getting back to getting my Dalton ready to start up. Looking for advice on pre-start checks and first start procedures. This machine hasn't ran for many years. 
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That's one cool Lot 1 old combination machine.? Also has to be one of the most complete I have seen.? Do you have the original drive that sat on the floor behind the lathe?.? The only other one I see was many years ago and it had a 10 foot bed.? Huge machine.
Dennis
On Friday, November 20, 2020, 08:02:52 AM PST, Joan Kelly <nox2743@...> wrote:
I'm finally getting back to getting my Dalton ready to start up. Looking for advice on pre-start checks and first start procedures. This machine hasn't ran for many years. 
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I'm envious!
Herb Kephart
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Yeah that's cool! I bet they were used on ships a lot like a Dainichi.
That's one cool Lot 1 old combination machine.? Also has to be one of the most complete I have seen.? Do you have the original drive that sat on the floor behind the lathe?.? The only other one I see was many years ago and it had a 10 foot bed.? Huge machine.
Dennis
On Friday, November 20, 2020, 08:02:52 AM PST, Joan Kelly < nox2743@...> wrote:
I'm finally getting back to getting my Dalton ready to start up. Looking for advice on pre-start checks and first start procedures. This machine hasn't ran for many years. 
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What a restoration project.? I could have handled it 15 years ago but at 80 not doing anything like this any longer.? Would have loved to have restored one like this one.
Dennis
On Friday, November 20, 2020, 11:50:34 AM PST, Glen Linscheid <partsproduction@...> wrote:
Yeah that's cool! I bet they were used on ships a lot like a Dainichi.
That's one cool Lot 1 old combination machine.? Also has to be one of the most complete I have seen.? Do you have the original drive that sat on the floor behind the lathe?.? The only other one I see was many years ago and it had a 10 foot bed.? Huge machine.
Dennis
On Friday, November 20, 2020, 08:02:52 AM PST, Joan Kelly < nox2743@...> wrote:
I'm finally getting back to getting my Dalton ready to start up. Looking for advice on pre-start checks and first start procedures. This machine hasn't ran for many years. 
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Amazing, I never thought I would even see a picture of one of these.
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On Nov 20, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Dennis Turk < dennis.turk2@...> wrote:
What a restoration project.? I could have handled it 15 years ago but at 80 not doing anything like this any longer.? Would have loved to have restored one like this one.
Dennis
Yeah that's cool! I bet they were used on ships a lot like a Dainichi.
That's one cool Lot 1 old combination machine.? Also has to be one of the most complete I have seen.? Do you have the original drive that sat on the floor behind the lathe?.? The only other one I see was many years ago and it had a 10 foot bed.? Huge machine.
Dennis
On Friday, November 20, 2020, 08:02:52 AM PST, Joan Kelly < nox2743@...> wrote:
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I drool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ?I notice no one answered the question. L
On Friday, November 20, 2020, 4:12:30 PM EST, glenn brooks <brooks.glenn@...> wrote:
Amazing, I never thought I would even see a picture of one of these.
On Nov 20, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Dennis Turk < dennis.turk2@...> wrote:
What a restoration project.? I could have handled it 15 years ago but at 80 not doing anything like this any longer.? Would have loved to have restored one like this one.
Dennis
Yeah that's cool! I bet they were used on ships a lot like a Dainichi.
That's one cool Lot 1 old combination machine.? Also has to be one of the most complete I have seen.? Do you have the original drive that sat on the floor behind the lathe?.? The only other one I see was many years ago and it had a 10 foot bed.? Huge machine.
Dennis
On Friday, November 20, 2020, 08:02:52 AM PST, Joan Kelly < nox2743@...> wrote:
I'm finally getting back to getting my Dalton ready to start up. Looking for advice on pre-start checks and first start procedures. This machine hasn't ran for many years.<100_1132crop.jpg>
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No it's missing the floor drive, I've only seen pictures of that. It has the upper drive stuff so I'm going to mount a motor and V-belt to drive it. 
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There would have been two small diameter free running rollers were the step pulley is now.? These two rollers just changed the direction of the belt that was coming up from the drive that was on the floor behind the lathe.? Very complicated drive.? The Lot 1 I seen 20 years ago had a old Harley motor cycle gear box rigged up with a motor to run the original belt.
On Friday, November 20, 2020, 01:31:43 PM PST, Joan Kelly <nox2743@...> wrote:
No it's missing the floor drive, I've only seen pictures of that. It has the upper drive stuff so I'm going to mount a motor and V-belt to drive it. 
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That machine has more floor space than my entire shed. Loverly.?
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I fiddled with the Combination machine last night and everything works when rotated by hand. It is really stiff to turn, I've oiled every rotating element I can see. Any ideas?
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First, make sure that only the lathe spindle is connected to the motor, then see if that makes it easier to turn. What oil are you using? It should be a very thin viscosity. I would recommend ATF--Thats auto transmission
fluid. It has a detergent in it that might help cut oxidized oil in the bearings
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.Iuse ATF for a number of lubricating jobs.
There are a lotr of people that say that auto oils shouldn't be used on machinery
- but I have used it for over 50 years, in a shop with 20 some machines and never regretted it. I do use a special very light oil in the grinder spindles, but they run 2-3 thousand RPM, and the Dalton isn't in that league.
- If you can get the spindle to loosen up after running a couple minutes, then engage each of the other functions one at a time to loosen up the same way. Engage each one at a time while the spindle is stopped.
- This is what I would do if you don't want to tear everything to pieces, which I gather you don't.
- I've been rebuilding and using machinery since 1953, and I've salvaged and rebuilt machinery mainly to use in my own shop, which has been a source of income in-between "real" jobs, as my wife used to call them.
- Let me know if you have anything more that I can help with.
- Sincerely,
Herb Kephart
Please forgive the format-- the D**N computer hates me, and the feeling is more than mutual !
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I fiddled with the Combination machine last night and everything works when rotated by hand. It is really stiff to turn, I've oiled every rotating element I can see. Any ideas?
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Loosen the bolts on the headstock bearings.
Or the bearings might be gummed up with dried oil, or the low gear button. ?Take it apart and clean , or squirt some brake cleaner in the bearings and see what gunk comes out.
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On Nov 23, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Herb Kephart <ebtm3@...> wrote:
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First, make sure that only the lathe spindle is connected to the motor, then see if that makes it easier to turn. What oil are you using? It should be a very thin viscosity. I would recommend ATF--Thats auto transmission
fluid. It has a detergent in it that might help cut oxidized oil in the bearings
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.Iuse ATF for a number of lubricating jobs.
There are a lotr of people that say that auto oils shouldn't be used on machinery
- but I have used it for over 50 years, in a shop with 20 some machines and never regretted it. I do use a special very light oil in the grinder spindles, but they run 2-3 thousand RPM, and the Dalton isn't in that league.
- If you can get the spindle to loosen up after running a couple minutes, then engage each of the other functions one at a time to loosen up the same way. Engage each one at a time while the spindle is stopped.
- This is what I would do if you don't want to tear everything to pieces, which I gather you don't.
- I've been rebuilding and using machinery since 1953, and I've salvaged and rebuilt machinery mainly to use in my own shop, which has been a source of income in-between "real" jobs, as my wife used to call them.
- Let me know if you have anything more that I can help with.
- Sincerely,
Herb Kephart
Please forgive the format-- the D**N computer hates me, and the feeling is more than mutual !
I fiddled with the Combination machine last night and everything works when rotated by hand. It is really stiff to turn, I've oiled every rotating element I can see. Any ideas?
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im enjoying this thread.? Also, that black lathe is nice along with the countershaft set up and your chucks mounted on the beam.? I look forward to seeing this combo machine finished up.? Do you intend on giving the full treatment or just a once over to get it running again??
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For now, I'm going to get it going and put it to work.
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Well it's alive. Got it running tonight, lots of gear noise until you put a load on it. Everything works. I did pull the mill end bearing and it looks like this was the cause of the stiff spindle. The end of the bearing housing sets the end play or so it looks. I put it to work and drilled some holes for the motor mount brace and and it did a good job. 
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Thought I'd try and post a video link to the first start up. I can't post the whole video here. https://www.facebook.com/100010328463586/videos/1302986830055587/
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Can’t imagine how you moved it into the workshop. Cracking bit of kit.?
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Would have loved t gotten my hands on this Dalton about 10 or 15 years ago.? Man what a project.? Strip it down to the last part, strip, clean, buff and polish ever part, paint and assemble, tune and test.? Man what fun I would have had. The last project like this I was able to do was the Dalton Lot 6 that came from the estate carriage house on Long Island NY.? Its the one you see in the little video on my photo site.? Did that one 8 or 9 years ago.? Getting to old and stove up to do these kinds of projects any longer.? The last project I did was the Ames lathe that was built in Chicopee Ma. in 1845.? Small lathe and though the oldest one I have done it was in such good shape it was an easy job. This is my photo site if any of you guys have not seen it.? Little bit of everything shown on this site.
On Thursday, November 26, 2020, 03:26:14 AM PST, Ebay Boy <ebaybono@...> wrote:
Can’t imagine how you moved it into the workshop. Cracking bit of kit.?
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Dennis Turk
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