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Re: DQ-10s: Removing the piezo
Durs Koenig
开云体育Hi
Mark,
?
?
Thanks
for writing.
I left
the piezo in when I reworked my DQ-10's last week.? I?added
plasti-clay
to my
DQ-10's to stop resonances, 10
pounds per cabinet. I upgraded the cross-over with the
Regnor caps. Had I been able to
decipher the codes on the existing caps I could have bought
quality ones for a
cheaper price. Regnor's price for caps and shipping was $180+!? The speakers
got new 12 gauge wire to the
crossover and then 14 gauge from
there to the speakers. Added
one pound of accouti-stuff in the
enclosure and also installed new
gold binding posts.
?
I am not very good at descriptive
writing. I can warrant to you that the speakers with the upgrade
sound cleaner. I upgraded one speaker
completely and then compared them. Piano music sounds
more correct now. It wasn't bad
before just more musical now. Regnor claims their caps take the
DQ-10's to the next sonic level. Not
sure I would go that far. If I had it to do over again I would buy
the highest quality caps from another
supplier.
?
So,
after I did all the soldering work I went to test them out.? I could not
hear the piezo.
I had
my 12 year old daughter put her ear to the piezo she could not hear it.? I
had to use a
mulit-meter to prove that the piezo was actually playing.?
?
Try
hearing just your piezo playing.? If you really want to take it out of the
mix you do have to
wire
in correctly to the cross-over.? Let me study the schematic, but I may not
be smart
enough
to help you here.
?
Rock
On,
Durs
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Re: DQ-10s: Removing the piezo
Hello Cubdog,
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I may be confusing your name with someone else, but I think you posted the file that suggests removing the DQ-10 piezo. I want to do this. The file says: "REMOVE the super-tweeter and its associated crossover stuff. On the schematic, that's parts labeled R6 and 7, C7 and 8, and L5 (and the driver, of course). this yields a MUCH better top end with less hash in the frequency extremes." This sounds easy enough, but should there be any other modifications to allow the tweeter to play signals above 12.5 khz? The piezo has a high pass filter and the woofer has a low pass, but the drivers inbetween have bandpass filters that slope in both directions. If you take out the piezo and its high pass filter, you're left with a tweeter that slopes down at 12.5 khz. I may be wrong, but I think this is the case. It's quite possible this could go unnoticed since those freqs are difficult to hear anyway. btw, I'd like to replace the original tweeter and put in a 3/4" ScanSpeak D2008 (from a dq-20). I figure I'll give it a try since it sounds so nice in the 20's. Any comments are warmly welcomed! Many thanks to JP for the recent capacitor tutorial. It's greatly appreciated! Mark --- In Dahlquist@..., Mark Ingles <markingles@...> wrote:
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DQ-10s: Removing the piezo
Hello Dahlquist folks,
I'd like to remove my piezo supertweeters, but I'd like to do it the correct way. Can anyone point me to a crossover schematic that reflects this modification? If I pull the piezo and don't change the crossover, frequencies above 12.5 khz will be filtered out. Thanks in advance for any help! Mark |
Re: DQ-10 Crossover Recapping
Hi JP,
Awesome info. This is exactly what I needed! Many thanks. Based on what you added, I think I have the know-how and skills to try it myself, spend less, and get, most likely, a better result. Do you happen to have further info/instructions regarding converting the DQ10s to a mirror-imaged pair? I have read through the instructions in our group's files, but a little more guidance on tools and parts needed would be very helpful. Thanks again! Michael --- In Dahlquist@..., "JP" <hrothgar1982@...> wrote: someone. under $60 shipped from Madisound for the capacitors for both crossovers.That included mostly Solens polypropylenes, the Bennic electrolytics forthe midbass, and the small value Bennic & GE polyprops for thesupertweeter. Using 80ìF Solens polyprops for the midbass (if you can afford it,the crossover) would bring the shipped cost to ~$100.that kit that it contains Bennic polypropylenes for most of the caps andBennic electrolytics for the midbass (the reason I chose this type in thissonically superior to theirs for a fraction of the price. According to theRegnar website, their kit consists of these caps, a schematic of thecrossover (such as is in our Files section here), and instructions like Iposted a link to.you'll need a phillips screwdriver (or flat bladed, the screws seemed tohave changed during production) to remove the back screen and removethose screws holding the crossover board in place. Then you'll need amanipulate the new leads into the holes, though a long, narrow pair of needlenose pliers can be used a bit more awkwardly. That's it aside fromsolder of your choice -- I used cheap ~$4 silver-content solder from RadioShack that's about equal in performance to ridiculouslyexpensive "audiophile" brand solder. Solder wick (braided copper wire that "sucks" solderout of the way) could be handy, but isn't necessary. If you can borrowthe soldering gun, you can keep the tools price below ~$5 and if youcan't, you can keep it under ~$30. You'd need to buy these tools with theanswer. info! kit leastfrom Regnar, and if I can do it myself for a lot less, with at astutorialgood a result, I'd rather try it on my own. include aoverat Sound Thinking to recapping the DQ-10 crossover. I did microfaradsbrief mention of what the capacitor codes equate to in andincluded a couple of pictures. |
Re: DQ-10 Crossover Recapping
Michael,
First off, you're welcome. I'm glad to know it was useful for someone. Now, as to your questions, if I remember correctly, it cost just under $60 shipped from Madisound for the capacitors for both crossovers. That included mostly Solens polypropylenes, the Bennic electrolytics for the midbass, and the small value Bennic & GE polyprops for the supertweeter. Using 80ìF Solens polyprops for the midbass (if you can afford it, this is a good idea, but will be a little more difficult to fit in the crossover) would bring the shipped cost to ~$100. Regarding the Regnar kit, I've heard from someone who purchased that kit that it contains Bennic polypropylenes for most of the caps and Bennic electrolytics for the midbass (the reason I chose this type in this recapping). Bennic brand caps are less expensive than Solens (the equivalent from Madisound would cost ~$50) and appear to be held in slightly lower esteem. This means that my recapping should be sonically superior to theirs for a fraction of the price. According to the Regnar website, their kit consists of these caps, a schematic of the crossover (such as is in our Files section here), and instructions like I posted a link to. As to tools required, you won't require anything special. First, you'll need a phillips screwdriver (or flat bladed, the screws seemed to have changed during production) to remove the back screen and remove those screws holding the crossover board in place. Then you'll need a soldering gun (100/140 watts) as your typical 40watt soldering iron won't be sufficient to melt the mass of solder in the holes. Beyond that, a pair of hemostats (aka "Kelly forceps" or "clamps" or "roach clips") are great to remove the old cap leads and more easily manipulate the new leads into the holes, though a long, narrow pair of needle nose pliers can be used a bit more awkwardly. That's it aside from solder of your choice -- I used cheap ~$4 silver-content solder from Radio Shack that's about equal in performance to ridiculously expensive "audiophile" brand solder. Solder wick (braided copper wire that "sucks" solder out of the way) could be handy, but isn't necessary. If you can borrow the soldering gun, you can keep the tools price below ~$5 and if you can't, you can keep it under ~$30. You'd need to buy these tools with the Regnar kit anyways. If you've any other questions, feel free to ask and I'll try to answer. - JP --- In Dahlquist@..., "mlocker2" <mlocker2@...> wrote: as good a result, I'd rather try it on my own.and included a couple of pictures. |
Re: DQ-10 Crossover Recapping
Hi JP,
Thanks for posting this. I went to the link & printed out the info! Questions: Regnar sells a cap upgrade, so do you have any idea how your improvements compare to theirs? Also, can you compare costs? Regnars upgrades are $161 plus shipping. Finally, what kind of equipment/tools do you need for such an undertaking? I ask all this b/c I've been considering purchasing the upgrade kit from Regnar, and if I can do it myself for a lot less, with at least as good a result, I'd rather try it on my own. Thanks again! Michael --- In Dahlquist@..., "JP" <hrothgar1982@...> wrote: over at Sound Thinking to recapping the DQ-10 crossover. I did include a |
DQ-10 Crossover Recapping
Just in case this might help someone, I've posted a brief tutorial over at Sound Thinking to recapping the DQ-10 crossover. I did include a brief mention of what the capacitor codes equate to in microfarads and included a couple of pictures. You needn't be registered there to view this thread: ? - JP |
Re: Re-foaming/dust caps
Sandra Wells
Wow, you have a great system. Sony makes some really good CDPlayers too, and?I bet that turntable sound wonderful.? Sandra ? ill wrote:
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Re: Re-foaming/dust caps
I use a modded Sony ES CD player, a Thorens TD150 II/Well Tempered
Arm, and a Mitchell Cotter Preamp System. It's all old stuff, but sounds soooo good and it's paid for... Dave --- In Dahlquist@..., Sandra Wells <smw30@...> wrote: excellent amps, although I've never heard the 100's. What is your source? I think if you contacted Regnar, they may be able to help you with the serial number. Happy listening, Sandra together and WOW!!! Now I know why they impressed me so much in 1978. Mine are stock,Great rates starting at 1?/min. |
Re: Re-foaming/dust caps
Sandra Wells
Hi Dobbhill, I bet your system sounds great! I know that VTL's are excellent amps, although I've never heard the 100's. What is your source? I think if you contacted Regnar, they may be able to help you with the serial number. Happy listening, Sandra
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Re: Re-foaming/dust caps
I just put them back together and WOW!!!
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Now I know why they impressed me so much in 1978. Mine are stock, factory mirrored, yellow caps. I'm driving them with VTL Compact 100's (1988 vintage) and a tube preamp. My reference speakers are Infinity IRS Gammas and the only thing obviously missing is the bottom octave. Is there a way to "date" the DQ-10's by serial number or other method? D --- In Dahlquist@..., "dobbhill" <dobbhill@...> wrote:
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Re: Upgrade update
VTL Compact 100's?????
--- In Dahlquist@..., "smw30" <smw30@...> wrote: with what you've upgraded to, that's all that counts. If you ever getthe chance to demo a tube amp, by all means do it. Make sure it is atpowerful beenamp--Adcom GFA-555. Hooked it up to the HK 3470 Receiver I'd Iusing, so the receiver acted like a pre-amp/tuner. Impression: atagree with all of you that the DQ10s like juice :) Sound became sothe typically moderate volumes where I like to listen. anI may not know yet what I'm missing. When I hooked it up & did onlyA/B comparison of a Pre/Amp combo vs. Receiver/AMP, I noticed littlesubtle differences, and these seemed to be clearer highs and onelse. Ireviews on AudioReview as well.the cancould place voices and instruments on a soundstage like never Chineseconfirm that technology has evolved significantly, and the Iunits like the Onix are incredible values. I must confess,however,that I haven't heard a $2000 CDP ;) thethink is a darn good deal for how things are sounding now. haveprice certainly can't be beat, but I'd love suggestions if you youany. gowho suggested this. know!with the kit Regnar supplies.If to theupgrade made some suggestions about subwoofers. My M&K VX-7 (8") Ibass sound, and I do feel, at my listening volumes, that a sub is60 ahave a 20 year old Technics Linear Tracking turntable, but I ran werecomparison of vinyl vs. CD using the same album, through my new withsimply not there in the vinyl. Maybe this would be different afilterbetter turntable, or maybe I needed to increase the volume when Imy orout people who post reviews with significant biases due to price recommendations,preconceived notions. Best reviews come from those who have abroaddepth of experience and exposure to equipment, and can make the thethat I have a handful of recordings I like to use to comparewith ofhighs, and biased in that direction. Interestingly, with my new the amp is somehow "decompressing" and clarifying the dense high |
Re-foaming/dust caps
I am currently re-foaming my woofers and was wondering if the
replacement dust caps should be vented or sealed. I believe the originals were sealed. Would venting the voice coils from the front (via the dust cap) change the response of the woofer for the better? Anyone with experience or knowledge please chime in!! Thanks, D |
Re: Upgrade update
smw30
Hi Michael, congratulations on your upgrades. I am a hard and firm
believer in using tubes with the Dahlquist, but if you're happy with what you've upgraded to, that's all that counts. If you ever get the chance to demo a tube amp, by all means do it. Make sure it is at least 45 wpc, I think you will be surprised at the results. I've heard good things about the Onix CD players, good buy. Keep us informed on any new upgrades. Sandra --- In Dahlquist@..., "mlocker2" <mlocker2@...> wrote: performance of my DQ10s.the improvements I made this summer!!! All of a sudden, the musichowever, that I haven't heard a $2000 CDP ;)If anyone has experience with this type of upgrade, please let me know!60 Hz, below the company's recommended 85 Hz, and it seems to fita better turntable, or maybe I needed to increase the volume when Imy stuff for a lot less than it's been typically going for.have posted reviews on a piece of equipment, and you can mentally filterbroad depth of experience and exposure to equipment, and can make thewith better equipment, it seemed that the recording was too harsh in the |
Upgrade update
All,
Thought I'd share this with you, since you've been so helpful in advising me on good equipment to consider to enhance the performance of my DQ10s. I've been doing some upgrading this summer!!! Here's what I got, and what I discovered: 1. Per all the recommendations here, I went out and got a powerful amp--Adcom GFA-555. Hooked it up to the HK 3470 Receiver I'd been using, so the receiver acted like a pre-amp/tuner. Impression: I agree with all of you that the DQ10s like juice :) Sound became more distinct and cleaner; imaging was clearer, and there just seemed to be an overall easiness/less strain to the music, even at the typically moderate volumes where I like to listen. 2. Got an Onkyo P-301 Preamp, a cousin to the highly rated (per AudioReview) P-304. I realize it's solid state, not a tube Pre, so I may not know yet what I'm missing. When I hooked it up & did an A/B comparison of a Pre/Amp combo vs. Receiver/AMP, I noticed only subtle differences, and these seemed to be clearer highs and little else. 3. Got a Yamaha T-950 Tuner to plug into my Pre. Not a huge listener to radio, but I definitely sensed an improvement in reception, quality and clarity of stations and music with the separate tuner, in relation to the receiver. Bought this based on reviews on AudioReview as well. 4. Upgraded my CDP to an Onix XCD-88 with modifications to the OpAmps. Without a doubt, this seems to me to be the best of all the improvements I made this summer!!! All of a sudden, the music coming out of my CDs seemed to take on an image all its own, and I could place voices and instruments on a soundstage like never before. The magic of having the "speakers disappear" was finally achieved :) For those of you wondering about your old CDPs, I can confirm that technology has evolved significantly, and the Chinese units like the Onix are incredible values. I must confess, however, that I haven't heard a $2000 CDP ;) Total for all the items: about $1200, including shipping, which I think is a darn good deal for how things are sounding now. My remaining upgrade goals: 1. Get some good/better quality interconnects and speaker wire. I've been reading good stuff about Acoustic Research wire, and the price certainly can't be beat, but I'd love suggestions if you have any. 2. Get some stands to elevate the speakers. Thanks to all of you who suggested this. 3. Convert my speakers to a mirror imaged pair. Will probably go with the kit Regnar supplies. 4. Upgrade my speakers using the capacitor kit Regnar supplies. If anyone has experience with this type of upgrade, please let me know! Some more observations: 1. Those of you who may have read my previous questions on how to upgrade made some suggestions about subwoofers. My M&K VX-7 (8") had a rattle, which I easily detected & fixed--loose cap on the speaker that was easily glued. I really like how this little sub seems to complement the DQ10s. I have no comparison to what a bigger sub might sound like, but this sub seems to "flesh out" the bass sound, and I do feel, at my listening volumes, that a sub is necessary with the DQ10s. Of note, I've set the crossover around 60 Hz, below the company's recommended 85 Hz, and it seems to fit nicely with what is put out by the Dahlquists. Any similar/different experiences? 2. CDs, and a good CDP, are the way to go over vinyl. Granted, I have a 20 year old Technics Linear Tracking turntable, but I ran a comparison of vinyl vs. CD using the same album, through my new Pre/Amp setup, and the dynamics and quality in the CD version were simply not there in the vinyl. Maybe this would be different with a better turntable, or maybe I needed to increase the volume when I played the record, but I'm skeptical. 3. Be patient on Ebay. Got most of my stuff on Ebay, and by holding back and not jumping into bidding wars, I was able to get my stuff for a lot less than it's been typically going for. 4. AudioReview can be a great resource, provided enough people have posted reviews on a piece of equipment, and you can mentally filter out people who post reviews with significant biases due to price or preconceived notions. Best reviews come from those who have a broad depth of experience and exposure to equipment, and can make the comparisons in an objective way. 5. You may have read, in the thread about musical recommendations, that I have a handful of recordings I like to use to compare equipment. One of these used to be the first Boston album, but with better equipment, it seemed that the recording was too harsh in the highs, and biased in that direction. Interestingly, with my new setup, the album is much more listenable again, as if the power of the amp is somehow "decompressing" and clarifying the dense high end. Now there's less "ringing," more music. Very happy about this :) Hope this makes an interesting read for all of you! Thanks again for your input and comments. Michael |
Re: DIY DQ-10 Stands
Sandra Wells
You might want to contact Regnar about building one, they do sell a column stand for the DQ10's. They may be able to help you.? Other than that, I don't know of anybody else that would sell one. Sandra
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DIY DQ-10 Stands
Greetings all, I've a bit of a request if its no bother. A friend of
mine has been pestering me for information on how to build a pair of good stands for the DQ-10 and in my failure to find information via Google, I'd thought I'd pick your brains. Would any of you happen to have the necessary measurements or, better yet, plans to build such stands? They needn't be clones of the originals and optimized height would be preferable. Thanks much, - JP |
DQ-10 stands
Hello Dahlquist friends!
I have nothing to do with this eBay auction, but I wanted to let people know about it. Getting your DQ-10s off the floor definitely improves imaging and bass.?This particular auction ends Monday?Aug-28-06?20:50:14 PDT.? Dahlquist DQ-10 speakers stands? <> Best to all of you,? Mark |
Layne Audio replacement speakers
durskoenig
I am planning on rewiring my DQ-10's and resealing the woofer
compartment. I see Layne Audio is offering replacement speakers. Has anyone out there tried one of these? () I don't want to get too far away from the original but I do want better sound if it is possible. Thanks! |
Re: Great recordings
--- In Dahlquist@..., "durskoenig" <durs@...> wrote:
my DQ-10's. Great sound must be addictive, one wants more and moreto be satisfied.playing. His voice sounds like he is in the room, the bass sounds real, theclose my eyes she too is in the room. Anyway, the reason I write, do youshine? All, FWIW, although I'm new to DQ-10s, I've been using many of the same recordings to do comparative listening for years. I am a former/hibernating woodwind player, so I think I have a decent ear and perception of live sound, both natural and amplified. Ironically, much of what I use to listen to comes from around the era when the DQ-10s were designed!!! Maybe it's not so ironic ;) Here's my list, all CDs: Steely Dan's Babylon Sisters: great dynamics, very clean sound, yet can be very dense. Donald Fagen's full voice tonality is hard to capture. Lots of different instruments to listen to/for. First heard some new details in this song listening to a pair of Vandy 3A Signatures (e.g., Fagen's wails between verses, use of bass clarinet), but these same details show up nicely in my 10s. Chuck Mangione's Soft: From his Chase the Clouds Away album. Features Esther Satterwhite, one of the best female jazz voices I've been exposed to. Capturing the nuances of HER voice is also quite revealing. Additionally, there's very subtle drum brush work on here, and alto flute, and picking up the imaging clearly can be quite a challenge. If you're never heard the song, you're in for a treat! Played this as a demo down in a stereo store in Peoria, IL that does Dahlquist rebuilds, and the owners wanted to get their own copy of the CD :) Brahm's Clarinet Quintet: I have a rendition performed by Gervase de Peyer from the '60s, I believe, that is hard to come by on CD (finally got one some years ago). Good speakers reveal intense imaging and details, and you can almost detect how the 5 musicians move in their seats, as their bodies capture the changes in mood and dynamics. Yes, you can also detect the squeaking of chairs :) For those of you woodwind fans who like clarinet, I recommend you listen to de Peyer if you like rich, dark sound. Holst--The Planets: Have a DDD recording by the Montreal Symphony that really kicks. First movement, Mars, has huge dynamics and brass--awesome demo piece! Boston--More than a Feeling: used to use this a lot to demo, but really good equipment shows that the recording is flawed by too much high end--very harsh to the ears--so I don't use it much anymore. Good for boombox-type equipment though. Pink Floyd--Dark Side of the Moon: Jump right to the ringing alarm clock section ;) All of these sound great on the 10s, BTW, and that's why I fell in love with the Dahlquist sound 20 years ago--if audio is supposed to replicate music, to my ears, Dahlquist (and maybe Vandersteen) has come closest. Michael |