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"The Windows January updates are a mess; here's why you should wait to install"
I updated to 24H2 and it messed up the connection with my scanner. I had to call Canon for the fix.? I will wait to upgrade the next time. Thanks 73On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 3:43?PM Dave AA6YQ via <aa6yq=[email protected]> wrote:
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Pretty sure I got bit by this… I got a new Win11 shack PC yesterday and started setting it up. Got all the DXLab stuff and my SDR installed and working. Today I went to set up the rest of the stuff I use, and found that the audio no longer worked. Updates had occurred during the night.? Everything LOOKED fine- just no sound. I finally rolled back the driver for the built in audio, and all was well. Sometimes “new” is NOT “improved”… On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 5:43?PM Dave AA6YQ via <aa6yq=[email protected]> wrote:
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开云体育Dave, than you for sharing this info.? Since this update, my computer was unable to do a number of things and I was chasing problems that were caused by that update.? I uninstalled it and now my computer is much happier. ? ? Pete Chamalian, W1RM W1RM@... ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave AA6YQ
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2025 6:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DXLab] "The Windows January updates are a mess; here's why you should wait to install" ? FYI: |
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utility from Gibson - InControl: <> 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2025-01-29 6:43 PM, Dave AA6YQ wrote:
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Is it safe yet?? I have paused the updates for about?8 weeks now. Thanks 73On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 2:46?PM Dave AA6YQ via <aa6yq=[email protected]> wrote: + AA6YQ comments below |
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Is it safe yet?? I have paused the updates for about 8 weeks now. + Not according to Perplexity, with whom I consult when considering a Windows 11 update. The only updates I've been applying are those for Windows Defender. Perplexity's report on Windows 11 version 24H2 is appended below. "Are you feelin' lucky?" 73, Dave, AA6YQ There have been several adverse reports regarding the reliability of Windows 11 version 24H2 (H2 2024 update), highlighting various issues that users and Microsoft have acknowledged. Below is a summary of the key reliability concerns: ### Major Issues Reported 1. **Blue Screens of Death (BSOD):** - Incompatibility with Intel Smart Sound Technology (Intel SST) drivers on 11th Gen Intel Core processors has caused BSODs. - PCs with certain Western Digital SSDs and Z890 motherboards (e.g., MSI, Asus) also encounter BSODs[1][3]. 2. **Internet Connectivity Problems:** - Users report losing network connectivity due to invalid IP addresses, which cannot be resolved by updating drivers or resetting network settings. Using static IPs has worked as a workaround in some cases[1][3]. 3. **Audio and Bluetooth Issues:** - Conflicts with audio devices and Bluetooth connections have been common, especially after the January 14 Patch Tuesday update. Devices with Dirac Audio technology are particularly affected[1][3]. 4. **Printer Compatibility:** - ARM-based Copilot+ PCs face issues with printers from manufacturers like HP, Canon, and Brother, rendering them unusable after the update[1]. 5. **Gaming and App Conflicts:** - Some modern games fail to work due to conflicts with Easy Anti-Cheat and AutoHDR features[1][5]. - Citrix components and specific camera applications also face compatibility problems[1][3]. 6. **Update Installation Failures:** - Certain ASUS devices fail to install the update, leading to blue screens during the process. Additionally, using media created with October or November 2024 updates can prevent future security updates from being installed[5]. ### Microsoft's Response Microsoft has released multiple patches to address these issues: - Updates in late 2024 and early 2025 have resolved some bugs but introduced new ones. - A compatibility hold has been placed on affected devices to prevent further issues during installation[1][3][5]. ### User Feedback While some users find Windows 11 stable overall, others report sluggish UI performance and unreliable taskbars in version 24H2, even on capable hardware[8]. Many recommend waiting for further fixes before adopting this update widely[2][6]. In conclusion, while Microsoft is actively addressing these problems, Windows 11 version 24H2 has faced significant reliability challenges that may impact its usability for certain users and configurations. Citations: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] |
So, if you do not have an image backup from before the update, then what? Even if you do you are going to have to update any app changes you made SICE THEN THAT YOU WAT.
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave AA6YQ via groups.io Sent: Monday, March 10, 2025 4:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DXLab] "The Windows January updates are a mess; here's why you should wait to install" + AA6YQ comments below Is it safe yet?? I have paused the updates for about 8 weeks now. + Not according to Perplexity, with whom I consult when considering a Windows 11 update. The only updates I've been applying are those for Windows Defender. Perplexity's report on Windows 11 version 24H2 is appended below. "Are you feelin' lucky?" 73, Dave, AA6YQ There have been several adverse reports regarding the reliability of Windows 11 version 24H2 (H2 2024 update), highlighting various issues that users and Microsoft have acknowledged. Below is a summary of the key reliability concerns: ### Major Issues Reported 1. **Blue Screens of Death (BSOD):** - Incompatibility with Intel Smart Sound Technology (Intel SST) drivers on 11th Gen Intel Core processors has caused BSODs. - PCs with certain Western Digital SSDs and Z890 motherboards (e.g., MSI, Asus) also encounter BSODs[1][3]. 2. **Internet Connectivity Problems:** - Users report losing network connectivity due to invalid IP addresses, which cannot be resolved by updating drivers or resetting network settings. Using static IPs has worked as a workaround in some cases[1][3]. 3. **Audio and Bluetooth Issues:** - Conflicts with audio devices and Bluetooth connections have been common, especially after the January 14 Patch Tuesday update. Devices with Dirac Audio technology are particularly affected[1][3]. 4. **Printer Compatibility:** - ARM-based Copilot+ PCs face issues with printers from manufacturers like HP, Canon, and Brother, rendering them unusable after the update[1]. 5. **Gaming and App Conflicts:** - Some modern games fail to work due to conflicts with Easy Anti-Cheat and AutoHDR features[1][5]. - Citrix components and specific camera applications also face compatibility problems[1][3]. 6. **Update Installation Failures:** - Certain ASUS devices fail to install the update, leading to blue screens during the process. Additionally, using media created with October or November 2024 updates can prevent future security updates from being installed[5]. ### Microsoft's Response Microsoft has released multiple patches to address these issues: - Updates in late 2024 and early 2025 have resolved some bugs but introduced new ones. - A compatibility hold has been placed on affected devices to prevent further issues during installation[1][3][5]. ### User Feedback While some users find Windows 11 stable overall, others report sluggish UI performance and unreliable taskbars in version 24H2, even on capable hardware[8]. Many recommend waiting for further fixes before adopting this update widely[2][6]. In conclusion, while Microsoft is actively addressing these problems, Windows 11 version 24H2 has faced significant reliability challenges that may impact its usability for certain users and configurations. Citations: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] -- W0MN EN34rb 44.08226 N 92.51265 W Hierro candente, batir de repente HP Laptop |
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So, if you do not have an image backup from before the update, then what? Even if you do you are going to have to update any app changes you made SICE THEN THAT YOU WAT.+ It should be standard practice to direct Windows to create a system restore point prior to installing an update. You can also direct Windows to uninstall an update - which is probably implemented by reverting to the system restore point that Windows Update created before installing the update. ? ? ? ? ? Dave |
It is my recollection?that Windows Restore was disabled?in Win 11. I did find a way to enable it with a YouTube video. I did a search and there are many videos on the subject. Thanks 73On Mon, Mar 10, 2025 at 5:02?PM Dave AA6YQ via <aa6yq=[email protected]> wrote:
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It is my recollection that Windows Restore was disabled in Win 11. I did find a way to enable it with a YouTube video. I did a search and there are many videos on the subject. + I don't mean to sound like an advertisement for Perplexity - it's free - but I find it far superior to YouTube videos. It will provide a step-by-step procedure with references that you can save in your Windows11_Procedures folder, like what's appended below. 73, Dave, AA6YQ Enabling System Restore on Windows 11 involves a few straightforward steps. Here's how you can do it: ## Steps to Enable System Restore 1. **Access System Properties**: - Press `Win + X` and select **System** from the menu. - Alternatively, right-click on **This PC** in File Explorer and select **Properties**. 2. **Open Advanced System Settings**: - In the System window, click on **Advanced system settings** on the left sidebar or below "Device Specifications". 3. **Navigate to System Protection**: - In the System Properties window, go to the **System Protection** tab. 4. **Select the System Drive**: - Choose the drive where Windows is installed, usually labeled as **C:**. 5. **Configure System Restore**: - Click the **Configure** button. - In the next window, select **Turn on system protection**. - Adjust the maximum disk space allocated for restore points using the slider. A common setting is around 20% of the drive space. 6. **Create a Restore Point (Optional)**: - You can manually create a restore point by clicking the **Create** button in the System Properties window. This is a good practice before making significant changes to your system. ## Using System Restore If you need to restore your system to a previous state, follow these steps: 1. **Open System Restore**: - Use the keyboard shortcut `Win + R`, type `rstrui.exe`, and press Enter. - Alternatively, go to **Control Panel** > **Recovery** > **Open System Restore**. 2. **Select a Restore Point**: - Click **Next** to see a list of available restore points. - Choose the restore point from a time when your system was running smoothly. 3. **Confirm and Restore**: - Click **Next** and then **Finish** to confirm your selection. - Your computer will restart and begin the restoration process. System Restore is disabled by default on Windows 11, so it's essential to enable it to ensure you can recover from system issues by reverting to a previous stable state[1][2][6]. Citations: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] |
SO SIMPLE,YEAAAH. EVEN A PRESCHOOLER CAN FOLLOW THIS.
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OTOH I am on W11 and had a problem with another program (NOT RADIO THINGS) and System Restore was there and worked and I had not followed that procedure and was up to latest updates so not all systems are having Restore turned off. Outlook LT Gil W0MN Hierro Candente Batir de Repente 44.08226 N 92.51265 W EN34rb -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave AA6YQ via groups.io Sent: Monday, March 10, 2025 7:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DXLab] "The Windows January updates are a mess; here's why you should wait to install" + AA6YQ comments below It is my recollection that Windows Restore was disabled in Win 11. I did find a way to enable it with a YouTube video. I did a search and there are many videos on the subject. + I don't mean to sound like an advertisement for Perplexity - it's free - but I find it far superior to YouTube videos. It will provide a step-by-step procedure with references that you can save in your Windows11_Procedures folder, like what's appended below. 73, Dave, AA6YQ Enabling System Restore on Windows 11 involves a few straightforward steps. Here's how you can do it: ## Steps to Enable System Restore 1. **Access System Properties**: - Press `Win + X` and select **System** from the menu. - Alternatively, right-click on **This PC** in File Explorer and select **Properties**. 2. **Open Advanced System Settings**: - In the System window, click on **Advanced system settings** on the left sidebar or below "Device Specifications". 3. **Navigate to System Protection**: - In the System Properties window, go to the **System Protection** tab. 4. **Select the System Drive**: - Choose the drive where Windows is installed, usually labeled as **C:**. 5. **Configure System Restore**: - Click the **Configure** button. - In the next window, select **Turn on system protection**. - Adjust the maximum disk space allocated for restore points using the slider. A common setting is around 20% of the drive space. 6. **Create a Restore Point (Optional)**: - You can manually create a restore point by clicking the **Create** button in the System Properties window. This is a good practice before making significant changes to your system. ## Using System Restore If you need to restore your system to a previous state, follow these steps: 1. **Open System Restore**: - Use the keyboard shortcut `Win + R`, type `rstrui.exe`, and press Enter. - Alternatively, go to **Control Panel** > **Recovery** > **Open System Restore**. 2. **Select a Restore Point**: - Click **Next** to see a list of available restore points. - Choose the restore point from a time when your system was running smoothly. 3. **Confirm and Restore**: - Click **Next** and then **Finish** to confirm your selection. - Your computer will restart and begin the restoration process. System Restore is disabled by default on Windows 11, so it's essential to enable it to ensure you can recover from system issues by reverting to a previous stable state[1][2][6]. Citations: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] -- W0MN EN34rb 44.08226 N 92.51265 W Hierro candente, batir de repente HP Laptop |
I went through this and perhaps Microsoft has learned? System protection was on for both of my computers so I guess I am safe. )
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Gilbert Baron W0MN via groups.io Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2025 7:09 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DXLab] "The Windows January updates are a mess; here's why you should wait to install" SO SIMPLE,YEAAAH. EVEN A PRESCHOOLER CAN FOLLOW THIS. OTOH I am on W11 and had a problem with another program (NOT RADIO THINGS) and System Restore was there and worked and I had not followed that procedure and was up to latest updates so not all systems are having Restore turned off. Outlook LT Gil W0MN Hierro Candente Batir de Repente 44.08226 N 92.51265 W EN34rb -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave AA6YQ via groups.io Sent: Monday, March 10, 2025 7:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DXLab] "The Windows January updates are a mess; here's why you should wait to install" + AA6YQ comments below It is my recollection that Windows Restore was disabled in Win 11. I did find a way to enable it with a YouTube video. I did a search and there are many videos on the subject. + I don't mean to sound like an advertisement for Perplexity - it's free - but I find it far superior to YouTube videos. It will provide a step-by-step procedure with references that you can save in your Windows11_Procedures folder, like what's appended below. 73, Dave, AA6YQ Enabling System Restore on Windows 11 involves a few straightforward steps. Here's how you can do it: ## Steps to Enable System Restore 1. **Access System Properties**: - Press `Win + X` and select **System** from the menu. - Alternatively, right-click on **This PC** in File Explorer and select **Properties**. 2. **Open Advanced System Settings**: - In the System window, click on **Advanced system settings** on the left sidebar or below "Device Specifications". 3. **Navigate to System Protection**: - In the System Properties window, go to the **System Protection** tab. 4. **Select the System Drive**: - Choose the drive where Windows is installed, usually labeled as **C:**. 5. **Configure System Restore**: - Click the **Configure** button. - In the next window, select **Turn on system protection**. - Adjust the maximum disk space allocated for restore points using the slider. A common setting is around 20% of the drive space. 6. **Create a Restore Point (Optional)**: - You can manually create a restore point by clicking the **Create** button in the System Properties window. This is a good practice before making significant changes to your system. ## Using System Restore If you need to restore your system to a previous state, follow these steps: 1. **Open System Restore**: - Use the keyboard shortcut `Win + R`, type `rstrui.exe`, and press Enter. - Alternatively, go to **Control Panel** > **Recovery** > **Open System Restore**. 2. **Select a Restore Point**: - Click **Next** to see a list of available restore points. - Choose the restore point from a time when your system was running smoothly. 3. **Confirm and Restore**: - Click **Next** and then **Finish** to confirm your selection. - Your computer will restart and begin the restoration process. System Restore is disabled by default on Windows 11, so it's essential to enable it to ensure you can recover from system issues by reverting to a previous stable state[1][2][6]. Citations: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] -- W0MN EN34rb 44.08226 N 92.51265 W Hierro candente, batir de repente HP Laptop -- W0MN EN34rb 44.08226 N 92.51265 W Hierro candente, batir de repente HP Laptop |
I thank Dave for the warning and I did take heed, running the recommending software "incontrol.exe" (requires administrative mode). That was about two months ago. I have two NUCs, one N100 and one N95 by Ace Magician, Win11 Pro. I decided to update the less important one two days ago, to see: 1. if I got lucky...or 2. my system just was one that was trouble?free.. ... or both. The N100 proceeded normally and has been fine for two days. Then I updated yesterday,??the?N95 with all my ham software on it (including DXLabs). Normal result, except: When I tried to create a restore point after the Update (24H2), the create button was greyed out. I had to go into configure and turn the "Protect" service on, and then I was able to Create Restore Point without difficulty. I find it interesting that in all the years running Win10 Pro and Win11 Pro, I had never seen an update (even a Feature), turn off the ability?to create a restore point. Of course, if you risk the 24H2 update (I don't recommend this), be sure you Create a Restore Point BEFORE you update to 24H2....and I have no idea if even this will protect you, because I have had Restore (from a created restore point) fail! Caveat Emptor on this one, and as Dave quoted, "do you feel lucky?" 73, N0AN Hasan On Mon, Mar 10, 2025 at 4:28?PM Dave AA6YQ via <aa6yq=[email protected]> wrote: + AA6YQ comments below |
开云体育I was lucky but I did have an image backup. Unfortunately, a much slower operation than restore point but guaranteed to get you at least back to where you were. ? Hard to believe that if Microsoft is really causing these problems that there is not some ambitious law firm out there? smelling many dollars. ? Outlook LT Gil W0MN Hierro Candente Batir de Repente 44.08226 N 92.51265 W EN34rb ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Hasan Schiers N0AN via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2025 7:05 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DXLab] "The Windows January updates are a mess; here's why you should wait to install" ? I thank Dave for the warning and I did take heed, running the recommending software "incontrol.exe" (requires administrative mode). That was about two months ago. ? I have two NUCs, one N100 and one N95 by Ace Magician, Win11 Pro. ? I decided to update the less important one two days ago, to see: 1. if I got lucky...or 2. my system just was one that was trouble?free.. ... or both. ? The N100 proceeded normally and has been fine for two days. ? Then I updated yesterday,??the?N95 with all my ham software on it (including DXLabs). Normal result, except: ? When I tried to create a restore point after the Update (24H2), the create button was greyed out. I had to go into configure and turn the "Protect" service on, and then I was able to Create Restore Point without difficulty. ? I find it interesting that in all the years running Win10 Pro and Win11 Pro, I had never seen an update (even a Feature), turn off the ability?to create a restore point. ? Of course, if you risk the 24H2 update (I don't recommend this), be sure you Create a Restore Point BEFORE you update to 24H2....and I have no idea if even this will protect you, because I have had Restore (from a created restore point) fail! ? Caveat Emptor on this one, and as Dave quoted, "do you feel lucky?" ? 73, N0AN Hasan ? ? On Mon, Mar 10, 2025 at 4:28?PM Dave AA6YQ via <aa6yq=[email protected]> wrote:
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