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Pitcairn Island on 14070 CW or RTTY?
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Tom Dixon
Gentlemen
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This does have DXlab Content....at the end. I am currently on Pitcairn Island as VP6TD. My last day of operating was yesterday 24/08/07 (Pitcairn Time) First off.....I do not claim to be a morse operator....however I can struggle alone at 10-12 words..... I was aware that Pitcairn was a sort after contact in the digital modes as well as CW, which was one of the main reasons I posted in my QRZ.com info that "I would be operating mainly PSK and some CW".......I attempted a number of times to operate morse....and no matter how often I asked other op's to QRS (slow down!!!)....they did not.........Hence......I packed my keyer and posted it back to NZ.....I tried!!!......I attempted to use the CW function in WW, no luck.......I have no doubt that it was operator fault and not computer or radio fault.....may be I was not reading the help file enough? Apart from that, I think I gave all the other modes a fair crack and tried to meet the needs of myself and other amateurs. Life on the Island is good....the DX is even better!!! All this was done using the fantastic collection of programs bundled into the DXLab suit. Every-time I open and use this collection, it impresses me more and more. Tom VP6TD ZL2HGR ----- Original Message ----
From: Art Burke <aburkefl@...> To: dxlab@... Sent: Saturday, 25 August, 2007 3:42:57 AM Subject: [dxlab] Re: 14070 CW or RTTY? Ironically, I'm still waiting for someone to activate both Ducie and Pitcairn on CW! There's a DXpedition to Ducie coming up (I think in February) and I'm hoping they'll "stage" part of it on Pitcairn and I can nab them both on CW then. Personally, for Earl's benefit, my attitude is that any spot above about 14065 is going to be for either PSK or RTTY unless there's a big contest going on. If there's a RTTY contest going on all bets are off! Art - N4PJ --- In dxlab@yahoogroups. com, "FireBrick" <w9ol@...> wrote: RTTYI'm just thinking that PSK31 is around 14070, and so I might 20 rtty!or PSK instead of CW. It'sWasn't disheartening for me...as I needed Pitcairn on 20 digital... :-(((down. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ----- Send instant messages to your online friends |
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Art Burke
I think you did a great job Tom. I worked you on a new band or two
on SSB. Never could seem to get through on RTTY. That's not your fault. And I certainly didn't mean for it to sound like a slam that you either worked very little CW or didn't work any at all. If I ever have the opportunity to go there (Pitcairn), it's possible someone might start complaining that I'm not working enough SSB! Glad you discovered DXLabs. Awesome, isn't it? Have a safe trip home. Art - N4PJ --- In dxlab@..., Tom Dixon <zl2hgr@...> wrote: operating was yesterday 24/08/07 (Pitcairn Time) First off.....I do not claim to be a morse operator....however I can struggle alone at 10-12 words..... I was aware that Pitcairn was a sort after contact in the digital modes as well as CW, which was one of the main reasons I posted in my QRZ.com info that "I would be operating mainly PSK and some CW".......I attempted a number of times to operate morse....and no matter how often I asked other op's to QRS (slow down!!!)....they did not.........Hence......I packed my keyer and posted it back to NZ.....I tried!!!......I attempted to use the CW function in WW, no luck.......I have no doubt that it was operator fault and not computer or radio fault.....may be I was not reading the help file enough? Apart from that, I think I gave all the other modes a fair crackand tried to meet the needs of myself and other amateurs. bundled into the DXLab suit. Every-time I open and use this collection, it impresses me more and more. and Pitcairn on CW! There's a DXpedition to Ducie coming up (I thinkin February) and I'm hoping they'll "stage" part of it on Pitcairnand I can nab them both on CW then.digital... onGet em on 20 PSK, but he's leaving for home and I may miss him 20 rtty!:-(((down.
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Nice job, Tom.
WinWarbler can generate CW, but it does not currently provide CW decoding unless you have an outboard modem like a KAM or PK232. Perhaps this situation will have changed by the time you next return to Pitcairn. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In dxlab@..., Tom Dixon <zl2hgr@...> wrote: operating was yesterday 24/08/07 (Pitcairn Time) First off.....I do not claim to be a morse operator....however I can struggle alone at 10-12 words..... I was aware that Pitcairn was a sort after contact in the digital modes as well as CW, which was one of the main reasons I posted in my QRZ.com info that "I would be operating mainly PSK and some CW".......I attempted a number of times to operate morse....and no matter how often I asked other op's to QRS (slow down!!!)....they did not.........Hence......I packed my keyer and posted it back to NZ.....I tried!!!......I attempted to use the CW function in WW, no luck.......I have no doubt that it was operator fault and not computer or radio fault.....may be I was not reading the help file enough? Apart from that, I think I gave all the other modes a fair crackand tried to meet the needs of myself and other amateurs. bundled into the DXLab suit. Every-time I open and use this collection, it impresses me more and more. and Pitcairn on CW! There's a DXpedition to Ducie coming up (I think indigital... Get em on 20 PSK, but he's leaving for home and I may miss him on20 rtty!:-(((down.
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At 01:22 PM 8/25/2007, you wrote:
GentlemenYes and I thank you for our two contacts on 20M and 17M SSB. I saw you spotted a few times on PSK but never did find you. I'd be ecstatic if you would use DXKeepr to upload your log to eQSL.cc and others would appreciate LoTW. Neither one will cost you a penny, both are easy to do, and we'd be more than happy to help you with the setup :-) My last day of operating was yesterday 24/08/07 (Pitcairn Time) Sorry to hear that, we will miss you. First off.....I do not claim to be a morse operator....however I can struggle alone at 10-12 words..... I was aware that Pitcairn was a sort after contact in the digital modes as well as CW, which was one of the main reasons I posted in my QRZ.com info that "I would be operating mainly PSK and some CW".......I attempted a number of times to operate morse....and no matter how often I asked other op's to QRS (slow down!!!)....they did not.........Hence......I packed my keyer and posted it back to NZ.....I tried!!!......Sorry to hear that too. Apparently you ran into some lids. A good CW op will do his best to match the speed of the other op. It's just common courtesy that I learned as a 12 year old Novice back in 1952. I would like to think that CW ops are more skilled and courteous than others but all too often that's just not the case. Apart from that, I think I gave all the other modes a fair crack and tried to meet the needs of myself and other amateurs.Have a safe trip home Tom and be sure to let us know if you need some help uploading those logs from DXKeeper. We are at your service :-) 73, Rich - W3ZJ
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Danny Douglas
Ohhhh too bad. Just as I was hearing you 5x5 in Virginia, on 20, you QSYd
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to 17, and never heard you there. I needed a digital contact too. Oh well, maybe next time. Hope you had fun, and sounds if you did (except for the non QRSers. I suspect the problem there is that they didnt or dont copy too well either, and were using computer generated code. Unless you were using data a controller./tnc , you wouldnt be able to use WW for receiving code anyway. It is not set up to copy CW with things like Rigblaster, or other such digital interfaces. Its on the "wait" list but other things are deemed more important right now. And, if you were using WW to send the code, the other guys probably figured your cw was so good, you "must" be able to copy them. HI. Too bad they couldnt copy well enough to know what was going on. Hope to see you there next time. And thanks for being there to give us a try. Danny ----- Original Message -----
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Ron Rosson
Hi Tom,
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Try CWget it help through the fast guys and pick up you speed copying too. Nice Job. 73 Ron N6XT Tom Dixon wrote:
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Art K6XT
Hi Ron hows it going OB?
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Great to read you've found the best logger of em all! 73 Art Ron Rosson wrote: Hi Tom, |
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Hi, Tom. Thanks for making the DXLab effort on CW. Yes, what you experienced is all too often the attitude of many in the DX/contest community -- they really don't listen and honor the DX operators request. That may be because so many of them are calling so much they don't even hear the little bit of signal that they MIGHT otherwise hear.
Unfortunately many of us have had to struggle through this phase of CW ops -- I've come to the point that if I can't copy at my speed of 25 - 30 wpm I just don't put the guys in the log. And that's mostly in contest operations -- I'm thinking about abandoning the SS contest because there certainly seems to be more emphasis on speed than anything else. Fine for those who can, but if too many ops like me bail out there won't be so many big scores for the speed-merchants. I'm content to let them buzz each other. Stick with the DXLab/WW programs -- they are very much worth the effort to get them right. And keep working out on the key(er) -- it too is worth the effort. The DXLab and WW interfaces very well with the MicroKeyer and lets you concentrate on listening/hearing and not the mechanics of the program itself. Apologies for the speedy guys who drove you off -- someday they may see the light -- but don't hold your breath. 73, Vic, W4VIC Re: Pitcairn Island on 14070 CW or RTTY? Posted by: "Ron Rosson" n6xt@... n6xtus Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:38 pm (PST) Hi Tom, Try CWget it help through the fast guys and pick up you speed copying too. Nice Job. 73 Ron N6XT Tom Dixon wrote: claim to be a morse operator....however I can struggle alone at 10-12computer or radio fault.....may be I was not reading the help file enough? |
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At 09:59 AM 8/26/2007, you wrote:
Unfortunately many of us have had to struggle through this phase ofThe crazy thing about that is that I can't believe there is anything to be gained by going any faster than 25-30 WPM in a contest. In fact it probably leads to a great may requests for repeats and winds up slowing them down. Some people just don't to get it! The really good contest OPS, (K3ZO and W3LPL for example) the ones you always see with the top scores and who hold world records, generally set their CW speed around 25 WPM or even a little slower. 73, Rich - W3ZJ |
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Ron Rosson
Hi Art it is going OK.
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I will explain more in private email. Yes it is the best logger of them all. I'm still getting familiar with it. I'm switching over from DXbase 6k. 73 Ron Art K6XT wrote:
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Art Searle W2NRA
Hi Rich,
You wrote: -- snip -- The crazy thing about that is that I can't believe there is anything-- snip -- And contesters don't slow down for band conditions either. I had a lot of QRN when I was running stations in the WAE contest a couple of weeks ago. I set my Keyer at 23 WPM (sometimes 21 WPM) because I was getting too many repeat exchange and QTC repeat requests. Slowing down cut down on the repeat requests. Yet guys were still calling me and sending exchanges as high as 35 WPM. I often had to ask for repeats due to static crashes in the middle of their exchanges. I don't think you'll ever get contesters to slow down (except 160m contests - those guys know better). The thing to do is work on improving your CW speed. Morse Runner is a great free program for improving your speed. BTW you can set your CW speed in Morse Runner but the speed of the stations that calling you still varies just like in a real contest. 73 Art W2NRA "Keep to the Code!" w2nra.com |
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Danny Douglas
Over the years, the CW speed in contests has gotten faster and faster. I
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can only believe it is because of the availability of keyboards and MACROS . Back when we were all using Vibroplexes we had some people that sent 20-25 wpm, but most couldnt. At the same time, we had one hand busy with paper logs/dupe sheets/coffee cups, etc. We had separate tansmitter/receivers and antenna tuners that had to be manually tuned. All of that tended to keep the speeds reasonable. As keyboards first came on line (I built my first one in 70) we had a few people that couldnt avoid cranking up the speed, but there were few of them out there. Computers came around, and guys with VIC20s managed to get them to key a rig and things got a little faster. Now - every Tom, Dick, and Harry, as well as Jose, Deiter, and Viktor have computers and are keying CW with them. They crank them up, probably higher than they themselves can comfortably copy code (some dont see to be able to copy at 5wpm) and we have a mess. We have DX stations going QRT from CW because the crowd cant seem to read his pleas to simply QRS a bit. He is not the only one. I just wish there was a way to ensure the guys sending at 35 wpm could copy that speed. When I came into radio, the hams told me: Dont send any faster than you can copy, or someone may come back at that speed -----Its happening isnt it? I got into military/government communications and the rule was : Send only as fast as the slowest operator on the net. Apparently none of these guys have been trained either by knowledgeable hams, or government operators. Its apparent that more and more of them cant even read half the speed they are keying with their computers. Hey, I would love to see a big internantional contest allow only bugs and straight keys. But then of course you would have the same thing happen that I was hit with the other day. Im setting an sending CQ at 20 wpm, and someone came back at me at 5 wpm. (ON THE EXTRA CLASS BAND). Sigh! I know- I know - there is no test, even for 5 wpm anymore - at least in most nations. We novices wouldnt have even dared to do that. That was also an unwritten rule. Lastly, I hear people saying they are using xyz program to COPY code. Baloney. Even the best computer programs out there cannot copy code as well as the human ear. Yeah, perfect machine sent code, 80 wpm, no QRM, or other propagation problems and the good ones can copy better than I can, but I only copy 50 wpm, under those conditions. Lets put a little QRN, QRM, QSB on the signal and see how those computers do that. Lets not pretend to be a morse operator, if we have to depend on computers. Swith over to PSK or RTTY and have fun. Leave the driving to us. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Art Searle W2NRA" <w2nra@...> To: <dxlab@...> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [dxlab] RE: Pitcairn Island on 14070 CW or RTTY? Hi Rich,I set my Keyer at 23 WPM (sometimes 21 WPM) because I was getting too manythe middle of their exchanges. I don't think you'll ever get contesters toslow down (except 160m contests - those guys know better).great free program for improving your speed. BTW you can set your CW speed in5:00 PM |
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Laurent Ferracci
Tom Dixon a écrit :
I am currently on Pitcairn Island as VP6TD. My last day of operating wasI Tom ! I was really happy (& lucky) to contact you on your last day of operation, on 20M PSK. This was a new one for me ! Best 73's and have a nice trip back home, where piles of QSLs will be waiting for you ! -- Laurent F1JKJ |
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Art Burke
I use Morse Runner the same way. For a bit less realism, but higher
speed from the guys "calling" you, use the HST mode. It generates small pileups, but all the stations "calling" you will be emulating a speed very close to yours. One of the other Arts! - N4PJ --- In dxlab@..., Art Searle W2NRA <w2nra@...> wrote: is a great free program for improving your speed. BTW you can set your CWspeed in Morse Runner but the speed of the stations that calling you stillvaries just like in a real contest. |
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Giuseppe Castiglione
Hello Tom,
tnx for 17m SSB qso 03/08/07, it was a new one for me. hope to see you on PSK. Best regards, 73's de Giuseppe, IT9FGA --- In dxlab@..., Tom Dixon <zl2hgr@...> wrote: operating was yesterday 24/08/07 (Pitcairn Time) First off.....I do not claim to be a morse operator....however I can struggle alone at 10-12 words..... I was aware that Pitcairn was a sort after contact in the digital modes as well as CW, which was one of the main reasons I posted in my QRZ.com info that "I would be operating mainly PSK and some CW".......I attempted a number of times to operate morse....and no matter how often I asked other op's to QRS (slow down!!!)....they did not.........Hence......I packed my keyer and posted it back to NZ.....I tried!!!......I attempted to use the CW function in WW, no luck.......I have no doubt that it was operator fault and not computer or radio fault.....may be I was not reading the help file enough? Apart from that, I think I gave all the other modes a fair crackand tried to meet the needs of myself and other amateurs. bundled into the DXLab suit. Every-time I open and use this collection, it impresses me more and more.
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