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Graphics cards and Monitors for the shack/ DXLabs


 

I hope this is not too far off topic.? I'm researching graphics cards and monitors to upgrade my shack to have more DXLabs and WSJT-X?windows.? My current monitor is a TV/Monitor that just does not offer enough room for much more than WSJT-X or DXKeeper.? I do understand that I do not need all windows open at once to be able to use DXLabs.? I gave my daughter my old monitor and it allowed so much more on the screen while maintaining good detail.

My problem is I have not yet been able to define the use case so I can decide which combination of capabilities is best for ham radio.? There is a good general reference on this subject in the DXLab references.? Written by? Dave, W6DE, it is:? ?

My computer?has an Intel UHD 730 graphics card (max resolution is 1920 x 1080p but 1360 x 760p is recommended).? It may well be too basic for a UHD or 4K monitor (3840 x 2160p), and I'm not yet convinced that a QHD 1440p monitor will meet my needs.? I'm seeing UHD graphics cards designed for gaming or photo editing that seem to cost as much as a monitor.? I'm doubting that hams need all that graphics power but I don't actually know what capability I need to have.? My real goal is to be able to place most of the DXLabs windows up at once with enough sharpness to read all the details.

I'm looking to understand what is needed in a new graphics card to match a 4K/UHD or a 1440p monitor without breaking the bank, grin.

Any advice will be appreciated.

Thanks
Rich, NU6T


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+ AA6YQ comments below
I'm looking to understand what is needed in a new graphics card to match a 4K/UHD or a 1440p monitor without breaking the bank, grin.
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Any advice will be appreciated.
+ I use a 32" HP Z32 display, whose resolution in 3840 x 2160, driven by an Nvidia GTX760. As you can see in this screenshot, it can simultaneously display SpotCollector's, DXKeeper's, DXView's, and Commander's Main windows, DXKeeper's Capture window, DXView's World Map window, Commander's Bandspread and Spectrum-Waterfall windows, the WSJT-X Main and "Wide Graph" windows, and my email client:

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+ Amazon sells the Z32 for $1100, but they also sell a 32" Samsung display with same resolution for $300. Check objective evaluation sites like "Tom's Hardware" and ZDNet to understand the differences.
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+ Perplexity reports that "The Nvidia GTX 760, a mid-range GPU from 2013, is roughly equivalent in performance to modern entry-level GPUs like the GTX 1650 or RTX 3050. These cards provide better efficiency, updated features (e.g., ray tracing), and support for modern games, making them suitable replacements". Amazon sells the GTX 1650 for $175. Again, check objective evaluation sites.

+ When I first began developing DXLab back in 1990, a 1280 x 1024 Eizo monitor cost $5000. My assumption about the long-term cost of screen space was accurate.

? ? ? 73,

? ? ? ? ? ?Dave, AA6YQ


 

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Hi,

The Intel UHD 730 chipset supports 4k resolution. (Max 4096x2160@60Hz).

Depending on the motherboard you might not need an additional graphics card.

I use a 32 inch 4K monitor.

Make sure it has all possible inputs: HDMI, Displayport and USB-C. Then you can use it for future computers.

73 Henk PA5KT

Op 25-3-2025 om 01:24 schreef Richard Hill via groups.io:

I hope this is not too far off topic.? I'm researching graphics cards and monitors to upgrade my shack to have more DXLabs and WSJT-X?windows.? My current monitor is a TV/Monitor that just does not offer enough room for much more than WSJT-X or DXKeeper.? I do understand that I do not need all windows open at once to be able to use DXLabs.? I gave my daughter my old monitor and it allowed so much more on the screen while maintaining good detail.

My problem is I have not yet been able to define the use case so I can decide which combination of capabilities is best for ham radio.? There is a good general reference on this subject in the DXLab references.? Written by? Dave, W6DE, it is:? ?

My computer?has an Intel UHD 730 graphics card (max resolution is 1920 x 1080p but 1360 x 760p is recommended).? It may well be too basic for a UHD or 4K monitor (3840 x 2160p), and I'm not yet convinced that a QHD 1440p monitor will meet my needs.? I'm seeing UHD graphics cards designed for gaming or photo editing that seem to cost as much as a monitor.? I'm doubting that hams need all that graphics power but I don't actually know what capability I need to have.? My real goal is to be able to place most of the DXLabs windows up at once with enough sharpness to read all the details.

I'm looking to understand what is needed in a new graphics card to match a 4K/UHD or a 1440p monitor without breaking the bank, grin.

Any advice will be appreciated.

Thanks
Rich, NU6T


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Richard Hill


 

Dave, thank you.? Beautiful!

Rich, NU6T

On Mon, Mar 24, 2025, 8:18?PM Dave AA6YQ via <aa6yq=[email protected]> wrote:
+ AA6YQ comments below
I'm looking to understand what is needed in a new graphics card to match a 4K/UHD or a 1440p monitor without breaking the bank, grin.
?
Any advice will be appreciated.
+ I use a 32" HP Z32 display, whose resolution in 3840 x 2160, driven by an Nvidia GTX760. As you can see in this screenshot, it can simultaneously display SpotCollector's, DXKeeper's, DXView's, and Commander's Main windows, DXKeeper's Capture window, DXView's World Map window, Commander's Bandspread and Spectrum-Waterfall windows, the WSJT-X Main and "Wide Graph" windows, and my email client:

?
+ Amazon sells the Z32 for $1100, but they also sell a 32" Samsung display with same resolution for $300. Check objective evaluation sites like "Tom's Hardware" and ZDNet to understand the differences.
?
+ Perplexity reports that "The Nvidia GTX 760, a mid-range GPU from 2013, is roughly equivalent in performance to modern entry-level GPUs like the GTX 1650 or RTX 3050. These cards provide better efficiency, updated features (e.g., ray tracing), and support for modern games, making them suitable replacements". Amazon sells the GTX 1650 for $175. Again, check objective evaluation sites.

+ When I first began developing DXLab back in 1990, a 1280 x 1024 Eizo monitor cost $5000. My assumption about the long-term cost of screen space was accurate.

? ? ? 73,

? ? ? ? ? ?Dave, AA6YQ


 

Henk, thank you.? It is not yet clear to me that my system will handle 4K monitors.? I need to learn more, but I read that Dell made several design choices in the XPS 8950 that may limit resolutions depending on the version of 8950.? Some seem to have motherboard limitations and DisplayPort version 1.2.? Some had add on Intel 730 graphics cards that offer higher performance, or so I read.? I need to learn more.

Thanks for the insight.

Rich, NU6T


On Tue, Mar 25, 2025, 12:12?AM Henk Remijn PA5KT via <pa5kt=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi,

The Intel UHD 730 chipset supports 4k resolution. (Max 4096x2160@60Hz).

Depending on the motherboard you might not need an additional graphics card.

I use a 32 inch 4K monitor.

Make sure it has all possible inputs: HDMI, Displayport and USB-C. Then you can use it for future computers.

73 Henk PA5KT

Op 25-3-2025 om 01:24 schreef Richard Hill via :
I hope this is not too far off topic.? I'm researching graphics cards and monitors to upgrade my shack to have more DXLabs and WSJT-X?windows.? My current monitor is a TV/Monitor that just does not offer enough room for much more than WSJT-X or DXKeeper.? I do understand that I do not need all windows open at once to be able to use DXLabs.? I gave my daughter my old monitor and it allowed so much more on the screen while maintaining good detail.

My problem is I have not yet been able to define the use case so I can decide which combination of capabilities is best for ham radio.? There is a good general reference on this subject in the DXLab references.? Written by? Dave, W6DE, it is:? ?

My computer?has an Intel UHD 730 graphics card (max resolution is 1920 x 1080p but 1360 x 760p is recommended).? It may well be too basic for a UHD or 4K monitor (3840 x 2160p), and I'm not yet convinced that a QHD 1440p monitor will meet my needs.? I'm seeing UHD graphics cards designed for gaming or photo editing that seem to cost as much as a monitor.? I'm doubting that hams need all that graphics power but I don't actually know what capability I need to have.? My real goal is to be able to place most of the DXLabs windows up at once with enough sharpness to read all the details.

I'm looking to understand what is needed in a new graphics card to match a 4K/UHD or a 1440p monitor without breaking the bank, grin.

Any advice will be appreciated.

Thanks
Rich, NU6T


--
Richard Hill


 

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An important distinction is that most of the features of these performance graphics cards are not going to be used at all with typical ham applications.? Almost nothing in the ham application use 3D graphics.? Instead, it's the 2D rendering performance that is key but it's not talked about at all in most card reviews.? This is especially important because there is a complete and total mess in the higher end graphics market now which may confused and scare away hams from picking up a very fine graphics card that would meet their needs.

Fortunately there is a web page that will help guide relative speeds of graphic cards, both old and newer ones.?

Take note at the G2D column, and sort from highest to lowest.? Then just go down that list and check whatever graphic card you have an interest in.

Notice that the fastest card on the list is about 1000 in the 2D speed.? The card I have in my main PC (GTX 1060) scores 770 - a card that must be at least 5 years old.? It runs a trio of UHD monitors here in the shack.? And you can get a similar one for under $100 on ebay.

I'm not advocating this card, rather mentioning that whatever card you are thinking of buying can be judged on it's speed by consulting this list.? And anything that's on the top half (500 or more) will most certainly be completely fine for ham applications.

Good luck!

73/jeff/ac0c
alpha-charlie-zero-charlie
On 3/25/2025 3:13 AM, Richard Hill via groups.io wrote:

Henk, thank you.? It is not yet clear to me that my system will handle 4K monitors.? I need to learn more, but I read that Dell made several design choices in the XPS 8950 that may limit resolutions depending on the version of 8950.? Some seem to have motherboard limitations and DisplayPort version 1.2.? Some had add on Intel 730 graphics cards that offer higher performance, or so I read.? I need to learn more.

Thanks for the insight.

Rich, NU6T


On Tue, Mar 25, 2025, 12:12?AM Henk Remijn PA5KT via <pa5kt=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi,

The Intel UHD 730 chipset supports 4k resolution. (Max 4096x2160@60Hz).

Depending on the motherboard you might not need an additional graphics card.

I use a 32 inch 4K monitor.

Make sure it has all possible inputs: HDMI, Displayport and USB-C. Then you can use it for future computers.

73 Henk PA5KT

Op 25-3-2025 om 01:24 schreef Richard Hill via :
I hope this is not too far off topic.? I'm researching graphics cards and monitors to upgrade my shack to have more DXLabs and WSJT-X?windows.? My current monitor is a TV/Monitor that just does not offer enough room for much more than WSJT-X or DXKeeper.? I do understand that I do not need all windows open at once to be able to use DXLabs.? I gave my daughter my old monitor and it allowed so much more on the screen while maintaining good detail.

My problem is I have not yet been able to define the use case so I can decide which combination of capabilities is best for ham radio.? There is a good general reference on this subject in the DXLab references.? Written by? Dave, W6DE, it is:? ?

My computer?has an Intel UHD 730 graphics card (max resolution is 1920 x 1080p but 1360 x 760p is recommended).? It may well be too basic for a UHD or 4K monitor (3840 x 2160p), and I'm not yet convinced that a QHD 1440p monitor will meet my needs.? I'm seeing UHD graphics cards designed for gaming or photo editing that seem to cost as much as a monitor.? I'm doubting that hams need all that graphics power but I don't actually know what capability I need to have.? My real goal is to be able to place most of the DXLabs windows up at once with enough sharpness to read all the details.

I'm looking to understand what is needed in a new graphics card to match a 4K/UHD or a 1440p monitor without breaking the bank, grin.

Any advice will be appreciated.

Thanks
Rich, NU6T


--
Richard Hill