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further simplifications to DXKeeper 6.0's Online QSL panel
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Art's comments have me looking more critically at the "Log QSOs"
tab's "Online QSL" panel. I suggest that the CFM buttons in the Online QSL panel's eQSL.cc and LotW sub-panels are unnecessary. 99.9% of the time, a QSO's EQSL_QSL_RCVD or LOTW_QSL_RCVD gets set to 'Y' (for "confirmed") by the "Sync eQSL QSLs" or "Sync LOTW QSLs" operations respectively. If there's an occasional need to manually set a QSO's EQSL_QSL_RCVD or LOTW_QSL_RCVD to 'Y', that can easily be done with the selector. Referring to the screen shot in this would allow me to move the "member" selectors up a row, reducing the overall height of the "Online QSL" panel. Objections? 73, Dave, AA6YQ |
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Art K6XT
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I agree. I've always wondered about the utility of those controls but never used them. I won't miss a thing. Launcher is not offering me an upgrade to V6. I'm on 5.9.4 the latest offered. What is "mbr" and how will I use it? 73 One of the other Art guys k6xt@... Dave Bernstein wrote: Art's comments have me looking more critically at the "Log QSOs" tab's "Online QSL" panel. I suggest that the CFM buttons in the Online QSL panel's eQSL.cc and LotW sub-panels are unnecessary. 99.9% of the time, a QSO's EQSL_QSL_RCVD or LOTW_QSL_RCVD gets set to 'Y' (for "confirmed") by the "Sync eQSL QSLs" or "Sync LOTW QSLs" operations respectively. If there's an occasional need to manually set a QSO's EQSL_QSL_RCVD or LOTW_QSL_RCVD to 'Y', that can easily be done with the selector. |
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DXKeeper 6.0 has not been released, Art; I'm working on it.
Where do you see "mbr"? If you are referring to the "member" selectors, they indicate whether or not the op with whom you made the QSO is a participant in eQSL.cc and/or LotW. When a "Sync eQSL QSLs" operation sets a QSO's eQSL_QSL_RCVD item to 'Y', it also sets its eQSL_MEMBER item to 'Y'; the analogous action occurs with "Sync LotW QSLs". When you capture a callsign, the "previous QSO lookup" mechanism will notice whether your QSO partner is a participant in eQSL.cc or LotW and update these selectors accordingly. Optionally, DXKeeper will check the "known LotW participants" database, and use the result to set the LOTW_MEMBER selector. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In dxlab@..., Art K6XT <k6xt@...> wrote: but never used them. I won't miss a thing.latest offered. What is "mbr" and how will I use it?99.9% to 'Y'of the time, a QSO's EQSL_QSL_RCVD or LOTW_QSL_RCVD gets set manually(for "confirmed") by the "Sync eQSL QSLs" or "Sync LOTW QSLs" easily beset a QSO's EQSL_QSL_RCVD or LOTW_QSL_RCVD to 'Y', that can reducingdone with the selector. the overall height of the "Online QSL" panel. |
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No objection here, I have never used the CFM button. However, I wonder what the "member" selector is for. If it is to track whether or not a station is a member of eQSL or LoTW, I don't see the point. A station who is not a member today can easily become a member tomorrow so any information we keep in our local logs will almost surely become inaccurate over time and thus be meaningless. I can't speak for LoTW but eQSL is still registering 50-60 new members every day 365 days a year. That's about 20,000 new members every year!
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73, Rich - W3ZJ At 12:50 AM 8/22/2007, you wrote:
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Dave,
Objections?Yes. I use the CFM buttons regularly to update status and date at the same time. In DXKeeper I don't care if a station is a LotW/eQSL user (SpotCollector handles that for the only service that matters) since I will send a traditional card if I need the band/mode credit for Challenge and have not received LotW confirmation within a couple weeks - even if the station is listed in the LotW database. I would rather lose the "member" button than the CFM selector. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -----Original Message----- |
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At 01:54 AM 8/22/2007, you wrote:
If you are referring to the "member" selectors, they indicate whetherThis is easily determined right now by looking at the Online QSL Sent/Rcvd selectors. You can very quickly see if you have sent an Online QSL in the past, how long ago you sent it and whether or not you have received one in return. This not only tells you if the station is a member but also if he actively responds to Online QSL's. I often look at that but I generally try to work a needed station regardless of the result. This is because the station could easily become an active member in the future and I wouldn't want to miss that. I routinely receive two or three new Online QSL's every week from stations I worked as far back as 1999 when I became active again, started keeping an electronic log and started eQSL'ing! Am I missing something here? 73, Rich - W3ZJ 73, |
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Danny Douglas
I guess I am not understanding something here. The automatic placement of
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an R next to the "Sent" of both LOTW and eQSL iswhat determines which contacts would be uploaded to those two databases, the next time we did an upload to them. The Y comes up, only after DXLabs uploads to them, and a U would then show int he Received box, until such time as we did a Synch with either one of those facilities, then be replaced with a Y when matched with the other QSO partner. I agree that I see no need for the CFM button, but dont understand if we are talking about removing both R boxes? ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Bernstein" <aa6yq@...> To: <dxlab@...> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:50 AM Subject: [dxlab] further simplifications to DXKeeper 6.0's Online QSL panel Art's comments have me looking more critically at the "Log QSOs"4:02 PM |
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I agree with Joe's comment, i.e. I also would rather lose
the "member" button than the CFM selector. 73 Juergen, DL8LE --- In dxlab@..., "Joe Subich, W4TV" <w4tv@...> wrote: 99.9% to 'Y'of the time, a QSO's EQSL_QSL_RCVD or LOTW_QSL_RCVD gets set manually(for "confirmed") by the "Sync eQSL QSLs" or "Sync LOTW QSLs" easily beset a QSO's EQSL_QSL_RCVD or LOTW_QSL_RCVD to 'Y', that can reducingdone with the selector. the overall height of the "Online QSL" panel. |
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Last night, FW0YL's logs were uploaded to LotW. Running DXKeeper 6.0,
I happened to invoke "Sync LotW QSLs" shortly thereafter, which set the "LOTW_MEMBER" item of each of those QSOs to 'Y'. Were DXKeeper 6.0 extended to update the local copy of the database of known LotW participants, a new Spot Database Entry for FW0YL would be rendered with a yellow background, even though FW0YL does not yet appear in the master database of known LotW participants. To my knowledge, eQSL.cc has no analog to the LotW "known participants" database that would allow SpotCollector to flag eQSL.cc members. In DXKeeper 6.0, performing a "Sync eQSL.cc QSLs" operation automatically sets EQSL_MEMBER for each confirmed QSO to 'Y' (unless its already been manually set to 'A' for "authenticity guaranteed"). Thus when you capture a callsign (in DXKeeper's Capture window or WinWarbler), DXKeeper's "previous QSO lookup" will reveal whether or not the station confirms via eQSL.cc based on your previous QSOs. If desired, DXKeeper could be extended to maintian a local database of known eQSL.cc participants, which SpotCollector could then use to highlight Spot Database Entries as it does for known LotW participants. When you open a log for the first time with DXKeeper 6.0, it inspects all of your QSOs, updating their LOTW_MEMBER and EQSL_MEMBER fields if they've been confirmed via LOTW or eQSL.cc respectively. Would these capabilities not be useful? 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In dxlab@..., "Richard B. Drake" <rich@...> wrote: point. A station who is not a member today can easily become a memberevery day 365 days a year. That's about 20,000 new members every year!99.9% beof the time, a QSO's EQSL_QSL_RCVD or LOTW_QSL_RCVD gets set to 'Y' reducingdone with the selector. the overall height of the "Online QSL" panel. |
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If manually examining previous QSOs for electronic QSL participation
was sufficient, then there would be no benefit to highlighting Spot Database Entries of known LotW participants. 73, Dvae, AA6YQ --- In dxlab@..., "Richard B. Drake" <rich@...> wrote: whether eQSL.ccor not the op with whom you made the QSO is a participant in to 'Y';and/or LotW. When a "Sync eQSL QSLs" operation sets a QSO's willthe analogous action occurs with "Sync LotW QSLs". notnotice whether your QSO partner is a participant in eQSL.cc or LotWThis is easily determined right now by looking at the Online QSL you have received one in return. This not only tells you if theQSL's.
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I believe you're referring to the CFM button in the QSL panel, which
I am not proposing to remove. Its pretty much my favorite button in DXKeeper... I am proposing to remove the CFM buttons in the "Online QSL" panel's eQSL.cc and LotW sub-panels. If you use the CFM button in the LotW sub-panel with any regularity, please sketch out the usage scenario. Thanks! 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In dxlab@..., "Joe Subich, W4TV" <w4tv@...> wrote: 99.9% to 'Y'of the time, a QSO's EQSL_QSL_RCVD or LOTW_QSL_RCVD gets set manually(for "confirmed") by the "Sync eQSL QSLs" or "Sync LOTW QSLs" easily beset a QSO's EQSL_QSL_RCVD or LOTW_QSL_RCVD to 'Y', that can reducingdone with the selector. the overall height of the "Online QSL" panel. |
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It is not necessary to manually set EQSL_QSL_SENT or EQSL_QSL_RCVD
to 'R'. If the "QSL Via" panel is set to eQSL, then the "Add Requested" function will add QSOs to the QSL Queue if their EQSL_QSL_SENT item is either blank or 'R'; the same is true for LotW. Setting EQSL_QSL_RCVD or LOTW_QSL_RCVD to 'R' is also meaningless; the fact that you've uploaded your QSOs to eQSL.cc or LotW does not mean that your QSO partner received a request for confirmation, as your QSO partner may not participate in that program. A QSO's confirmation status is only considered "requested" if its QSL_SENT item is set to 'Y' and its QSL_RCVD item is set to 'R', meaning than a physical card or label was sent that requested a confirmation (with a "please!" or "pse!" in its QSL? column). Thus there is no need for the RR buttons in the "Online QSL" panel's eQSL.cc and LotW sub-panels. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In dxlab@..., "Danny Douglas" <n7dc@...> wrote: placement of an R next to the "Sent" of both LOTW and eQSL iswhat determineswhich contacts would be uploaded to those two databases, the next time wedid an upload to them. The Y comes up, only after DXLabs uploads to them,and a U would then show int he Received box, until such time as we did aSynch with either one of those facilities, then be replaced with a Y whenmatched with the other QSO partner. I agree that I see no need for the CFMbutton, but dont understand if we are talking about removing both R boxes?QSL panel 99.9%Art's comments have me looking more critically at the "Log QSOs" to 'Y'of the time, a QSO's EQSL_QSL_RCVD or LOTW_QSL_RCVD gets set easily be(for "confirmed") by the "Sync eQSL QSLs" or "Sync LOTW QSLs" reducingdone with the selector. 8/21/2007the overall height of the "Online QSL" panel. 4:02 PM |
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At 01:40 PM 8/22/2007, you wrote:
When you open a log for the first time with DXKeeper 6.0, it inspectsI certainly can't answer for everyone here but I find the current yellow highlight of known LoTW stations to be interesting but not a reason to either work or not work a station. He could join and start electronically confirming QSO's at any time in the future. As I mentioned previously I usually 2 or 3 such stations almost every week whom I have worked in the past and they just started eQSL'ing. When they discover the economics and ease of doing that, they tend to jump in with both feet. Paper QSL's have become far too expensive and the cost continues to rise so I don't send paper QSL's any longer except in response to an SASE. I do keep a few pre-printed cards for that purpose. I don't belong to ARRL so can't send cards via their bureau. I do keep some envelopes at the incoming bureau because if I don't Fred Laun, K3ZO (the 3 area "Z" sorter), will start bugging me about what to do with my cards. At one time a couple of years ago he even sent a friend of his who lives near me down here to hand deliver my cards. In doing so, he embarrassed me into keeping some envelopes on file :-) I have recently started responding to bureau cards via the rather new Global QSL service that was introduced at Dayton this year. The cost of that is reasonable and one doesn't have to be a member of ARRL to use it. DXKeeper's QSL ADIF file builder works well for creating, sending and tracking outgoing Global QSL's. Unlike some other DXLab users (maybe most), I am interested only in eQSL's for eQSL award purposes, so a yellow or other color spot highlight for an known eQSL sender would be interesting but is not critical. 73, Rich - W3ZJ |
If you use the CFM button in the LotW sub-panel with anyMy "live" log generally has cards/labels in the queue. However, since I want to keep my status current, I often make a quick on-line (web browser) check of LotW confirmations and when I find one (like the FW0MO/FW0YL confirmations last night) I use the LotW CFM button to update the log without doing a "sync Lotw QSLs" operation since it is not available with cards/labels in the queue. I don't want to empty the queue on a regular basis since I use it for manual entries (right click -> Add to QSL Queue) - quite often when I notice an alternative for a missing band/mode entity. If I emptied the queue to do an on-line sync, I would probably lose track of some of the QSOs. Now, if you wanted to make the LotW functions available without first clearing the cards/labels queue, I would have no objection to that! 73, ... Joe, W4TV Thanks! -----Original Message----- |
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D. Scott MacKenzie
One of the misconceptions of LOTW is that you DO NOT have to be a member of
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ARRL to use it. Only when you apply for certain awards is it necessary to join the ARRL. Scott -----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]On Behalf Of Richard B. Drake Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 3:32 PM To: dxlab@... Subject: Re: [dxlab] Re: further simplifications to DXKeeper 6.0's Online QSL panel At 01:40 PM 8/22/2007, you wrote: >When you open a log for the first time with DXKeeper 6.0, it inspects >all of your QSOs, updating their LOTW_MEMBER and EQSL_MEMBER fields >if they've been confirmed via LOTW or eQSL.cc respectively. > >Would these capabilities not be useful? > > 73, > > Dave, AA6YQ > I certainly can't answer for everyone here but I find the current yellow highlight of known LoTW stations to be interesting but not a reason to either work or not work a station. He could join and start electronically confirming QSO's at any time in the future. As I mentioned previously I usually 2 or 3 such stations almost every week whom I have worked in the past and they just started eQSL'ing. When they discover the economics and ease of doing that, they tend to jump in with both feet. Paper QSL's have become far too expensive and the cost continues to rise so I don't send paper QSL's any longer except in response to an SASE. I do keep a few pre-printed cards for that purpose. I don't belong to ARRL so can't send cards via their bureau. I do keep some envelopes at the incoming bureau because if I don't Fred Laun, K3ZO (the 3 area "Z" sorter), will start bugging me about what to do with my cards. At one time a couple of years ago he even sent a friend of his who lives near me down here to hand deliver my cards. In doing so, he embarrassed me into keeping some envelopes on file :-) I have recently started responding to bureau cards via the rather new Global QSL service that was introduced at Dayton this year. The cost of that is reasonable and one doesn't have to be a member of ARRL to use it. DXKeeper's QSL ADIF file builder works well for creating, sending and tracking outgoing Global QSL's. Unlike some other DXLab users (maybe most), I am interested only in eQSL's for eQSL award purposes, so a yellow or other color spot highlight for an known eQSL sender would be interesting but is not critical. 73, Rich - W3ZJ |
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Danny Douglas
Scott, think that is worded incorrectly. The misconception is that YOU HAVE
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TO BE A MEMBER to use it. You do NOT. You can always upload, member of ARRL or not. You have to be an ARRL member to USE is for verifications on the DXCC applications. What that comes down to, of course, is that since you have to be a member to get DXCC as a stateside operator, then you are already a member for LOTW purposes too.Non members can be nice and upload, so that memers can use their matches for DXCC and WAS, and soon other awards as well.. ----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Scott MacKenzie" <kb0fhp@...> To: <dxlab@...> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: RE: [dxlab] Re: further simplifications to DXKeeper 6.0's Online QSL panel One of the misconceptions of LOTW is that you DO NOT have to be a memberof ARRL to use it. Only when you apply for certain awards is it necessary toOnline QSL panel9:05 AM |
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Thannks, Joe; I understand now. The eQSL and LotW CFM buttons will remain.
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73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In dxlab@..., "Joe Subich, W4TV" <w4tv@...> wrote:
If you use the CFM button in the LotW sub-panel with anyMy "live" log generally has cards/labels in the queue. However, |
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D. Scott MacKenzie
You are absolutely correct....I was typing faster than I was thinking. You
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do not have to be a member of ARRL to use LOTW. Next time I will engage my mind before typing :) Scott -----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]On Behalf Of Danny Douglas Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 7:13 PM To: dxlab@... Subject: Re: [dxlab] Re: further simplifications to DXKeeper 6.0's Online QSL panel Scott, think that is worded incorrectly. The misconception is that YOU HAVE TO BE A MEMBER to use it. You do NOT. You can always upload, member of ARRL or not. You have to be an ARRL member to USE is for verifications on the DXCC applications. What that comes down to, of course, is that since you have to be a member to get DXCC as a stateside operator, then you are already a member for LOTW purposes too.Non members can be nice and upload, so that memers can use their matches for DXCC and WAS, and soon other awards as well.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "D. Scott MacKenzie" <kb0fhp@...> To: <dxlab@...> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: RE: [dxlab] Re: further simplifications to DXKeeper 6.0's Online QSL panel > One of the misconceptions of LOTW is that you DO NOT have to be a member of > ARRL to use it. Only when you apply for certain awards is it necessary to > join the ARRL. > > Scott > -----Original Message----- > From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]On Behalf Of > Richard B. Drake > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 3:32 PM > To: dxlab@... > Subject: Re: [dxlab] Re: further simplifications to DXKeeper 6.0's Online > QSL panel > > > At 01:40 PM 8/22/2007, you wrote: > >When you open a log for the first time with DXKeeper 6.0, it inspects > >all of your QSOs, updating their LOTW_MEMBER and EQSL_MEMBER fields > >if they've been confirmed via LOTW or eQSL.cc respectively. > > > >Would these capabilities not be useful? > > > > 73, > > > > Dave, AA6YQ > > > > I certainly can't answer for everyone here but I find the current > yellow highlight of known LoTW stations to be interesting but not a > reason to either work or not work a station. He could join and start > electronically confirming QSO's at any time in the future. As I > mentioned previously I usually 2 or 3 such stations almost every > week whom I have worked in the past and they just started eQSL'ing. > When they discover the economics and ease of doing that, they tend to > jump in with both feet. > > Paper QSL's have become far too expensive and the cost continues to > rise so I don't send paper QSL's any longer except in response to an > SASE. I do keep a few pre-printed cards for that purpose. I don't > belong to ARRL so can't send cards via their bureau. I do keep some > envelopes at the incoming bureau because if I don't Fred Laun, K3ZO > (the 3 area "Z" sorter), will start bugging me about what to do with > my cards. At one time a couple of years ago he even sent a friend of > his who lives near me down here to hand deliver my cards. In doing > so, he embarrassed me into keeping some envelopes on file :-) I have > recently started responding to bureau cards via the rather new Global > QSL service that was introduced at Dayton this year. The cost of that > is reasonable and one doesn't have to be a member of ARRL to use it. > DXKeeper's QSL ADIF file builder works well for creating, sending and > tracking outgoing Global QSL's. > > Unlike some other DXLab users (maybe most), I am interested only in > eQSL's for eQSL award purposes, so a yellow or other color spot > highlight for an known eQSL sender would be interesting but is not > critical. > > 73, Rich - W3ZJ > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.2/966 - Release Date: 8/22/2007 9:05 AM > > |
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At 05:57 PM 8/22/2007, you wrote:
One of the misconceptions of LOTW is that you DO NOT have to be a member ofThat's correct and I do use LoTW for the benefit of other hams. But for those of us who live in the US you do need to be a member of ARRL to participate in their awards programs. Thus any award credits a US based non-member LoTW user may receive have no value. 73, Rich - W3ZJ |
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Danny Douglas
I suspect that quite a few people have finally joined, or re-joined ARRL,
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simply because of LOTW, and that is fine. I disagree with a lot of stuff the ARRL has done, especially recently. But, that doesnt stop me from being a member, and indeed allows me to bitch directly at them.. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard B. Drake" <rich@...> To: <dxlab@...> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:05 AM Subject: RE: [dxlab] Re: further simplifications to DXKeeper 6.0's Online QSL panel At 05:57 PM 8/22/2007, you wrote:ofOne of the misconceptions of LOTW is that you DO NOT have to be a member toARRL to use it. Only when you apply for certain awards is it necessary 6:51 PMjoin the ARRL.That's correct and I do use LoTW for the benefit of other hams. But |
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