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Re: DXCC capture vs. DXV

 

AA6YQ comments below
-----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 11:13 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: Re: [dxlab] DXCC capture vs. DXV

They are, Joe, but they are different. I just don't have a cross-reference in my head for prefix and name. Having to select one in one place and the other in another is confusing.

I am sensitive to this because in my work we provide a parts catalog for car dealerships. We agonize over UI for a largely non-computer-expert audience. My bible is Krug's "Don't Make Me Think" for UI design.

The Capture window generally doesn't require you to think about a callsign's DXCC entity: type in the callsign and strike the Enter or Tab key, and the correct DXCC entity is selected. DXLab provides an override mechanism (accessible from DXView and SpotCollector) that lets you specify the DXCC entities of ambiguous callsigns so that the Capture window can select the correct DXCC entity when you type in one of these ambiguous callsigns.
Further thought reduction is possible: the override mechanism can be expanded to retain a larger number of ambiguous callsigns and be automatically populated from sources like Jim AD1C or Club Log. Nonetheless, some thought and reasoning will still be required, just as personnel in a car dealership must be aware that cars have engines, transmissions, dashboards, and tires, and that a hubcap appearing in the parts manifest for a transmission repair is likely the result of an upstream data entry error.
73,

Dave, AA6YQ
Re: How to stop displaying PSK information?

 

AA6YQ comments elow
-----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 9:04 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: [dxlab] How to stop displaying PSK information?

I can't find any way to stop displaying the PSK columns & rows in Realtime Awards Tracking, DXView, and DXCC Progress reports. In the DXKeeper configuration, Awards tab, DXCC Bands & Modes panel, I have unchecked the PSK box, but the unwanted columns & rows are still displayed. I do pursue Digital awards, but have no need to see PSK information separately, so it would be nice to not see that information displayed. Is there any way to stop displaying PSK info?

There's not. Joe W4TV has accurately described the rationale for providing independent tracking of DXCC award progress in PSK. My plan is to extend this mechanism to allow the user to specify a digital mode of his or her choosing (e.g. RTTY or JT65 or JT9) and have independent DXCC award progress for that digital mode. This extension is not imminent.
73,

Dave, AA6YQ
Re: RDA List update

 

AA6YQ comments below
-----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 7:45 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: Re: [dxlab] Re: RDA List update

From what I could see the complete list is here < >, last updated on 01/02/2016, if I'm seeing this correct, on the first lines, the AB-xx are replace with ZK-xx, so if one has one QSO with AB-01 with should count as ZK-37, and AB-xx should be deleted from the list.

The RDA are very confusing with many changes.

Exactly. Even with automation, changes of this magnitude are demotivating to those pursuing RDA awards.
73,

Dave, AA6YQ
Re: Capture

 

AA6YQ comments below
-----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 6:16 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: [dxlab] Capture

May bye for some one it is simple but I can't find it!

How can I'm Disable in the Capture display QSL request?

If you're asking how to stop the Capture window's "QSL Requested" box from being automatically checked when you log a new QSO, disable the "Preset 'QSL Requested' checkbox" in the Options panel at the top of the "QSL Configuration" window's General tab.
73,

Dave, AA6YQ
Spot Collector error messages

 

When I activate Spot Collector from Launcher I get two or three error messages in a row (one right after another) indicating things like "..path not found", ?...path doesn't exist" etc then a message regarding database not containing band or mode but if I keep deleting these messages Spot Collector opens and functions normally except "?" show in the band field and mode field is blank.
Re: DXCC capture vs. DXV

Brian Smithson
 

OH shoot - you're right.

My apologies.

73

-Brian n8wrl

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 11:48 AM, 'Joe Subich, W4TV' lists@... [dxlab] <dxlab@...> wrote:
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On 2/21/2016 11:35 AM, Brian Smithson n8wrl@... [dxlab] wrote:
> Understood. In my original question I suggested we modify DXK not
> Capture, and make DXK work like DXV with both pull-downs.

DXKeeper's main window (QSO Pane) already works like DXV. Tt has
*three* pull-down entry boxes: Code, DXCC (prefix), and Entity (Name) -
any one of which will update the entity (just like DXV).

73,

... Joe, W4TV
Re: DXCC capture vs. DXV

 

On 2/21/2016 11:35 AM, Brian Smithson n8wrl@... [dxlab] wrote:
Understood. In my original question I suggested we modify DXK not
Capture, and make DXK work like DXV with both pull-downs.
DXKeeper's main window (QSO Pane) already works like DXV. Tt has
*three* pull-down entry boxes: Code, DXCC (prefix), and Entity (Name) -
any one of which will update the entity (just like DXV).

73,

... Joe, W4TV
Re: DXCC Credit download

 

On 2/21/2016 11:38 AM, 'Julio Peralta' jperalta4@... [dxlab] wrote:
is it necessary to re-run the process?
Are your totals correct without it?

73,

... Joe, W4TV





Julio



From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 11:34 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: Re: [dxlab] DXCC Credit download






I¡¯m wondering how the process could have timed out and still finished
? of the process.
The timeout is for that credit only.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2/21/2016 11:25 AM, 'Julio Peralta' jperalta4@... [dxlab] wrote:
Today I ran DXCC Credit Download for the first time. When the process
completed I found that there had been one error. Checking the list I found
this error message about ? of the way down the list.



Error: unable to obtain details for DXCC credit# 648478261C: connection
timeout



I¡¯m wondering how the process could have timed out and still finished ? of
the process.



I guess I should run the scan again?



Julio, W4HY
Re: How to stop displaying PSK information?

 

On 2/21/2016 11:22 AM, n3xx@... [dxlab] wrote:
I didn't ask for any program changes to be made. I am just trying to
find out if there is an option to not display PSK info.
No there is not. PSK is displayed separately because Dave wanted to
encourage PSK operation when DX Lab was new 10+ years ago . Conditions
have changed (DXCC accepts all digital modes as the same) but there has
not been a justification to engage in the significant rewrite necessary
to change the way PSK and RTTY are displayed.

Since the CQ awards (WAZ, etc.) separate RTTY from other digital modes,
any logical change would be to replace PSK with *RTTY only* and include
an option for the DIGI line to include RTTY (DXCC) or exclude it (CQ).
However, that is a decision for Dave to make given a cost (programming
effort and delay of other features/bug fixes) vs. benefit analysis.

73,

... Joe, W4TV
Re: DXCC Credit download

 

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is it necessary to re-run the process?

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Julio

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From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 11:34 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: Re: [dxlab] DXCC Credit download

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> I¡¯m wondering how the process could have timed out and still finished
> ? of the process.

The timeout is for that credit only.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2/21/2016 11:25 AM, 'Julio Peralta' jperalta4@... [dxlab] wrote:
> Today I ran DXCC Credit Download for the first time. When the process
> completed I found that there had been one error. Checking the list I found
> this error message about ? of the way down the list.
>
>
>
> Error: unable to obtain details for DXCC credit# 648478261C: connection
> timeout
>
>
>
> I¡¯m wondering how the process could have timed out and still finished ? of
> the process.
>
>
>
> I guess I should run the scan again?
>
>
>
> Julio, W4HY
>
>
Re: DXCC capture vs. DXV

Brian Smithson
 

Understood. In my original question I suggested we modify DXK not Capture, and make DXK work like DXV with both pull-downs.

-Brian n8wrl

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 11:33 AM, 'Joe Subich, W4TV' lists@... [dxlab] <dxlab@...> wrote:
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Simple, if you need both, use DXKeeper's main window.

Capture is already too large - particularly with the "contest mode"
entry data on the tenth line and four lines of "User Defined" fields.

Capture already consumes as much vertical space as DXKeeper's main
window when none of the optional panels are displayed.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2/21/2016 11:13 AM, Brian Smithson n8wrl@... [dxlab] wrote:
> They are, Joe, but they are different. I just don't have a cross-reference
> in my head for prefix and name. Having to select one in one place and the
> other in another is confusing.
>
> I am sensitive to this because in my work we provide a parts catalog for
> car dealerships. We agonize over UI for a largely non-computer-expert
> audience. My bible is Krug's "Don't Make Me Think" for UI design.
>
> 73
>
> -Brian n8wrl
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 11:09 AM, 'Joe Subich, W4TV' lists@...
> [dxlab] <dxlab@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Can we do something to make capture and DXK consistent? I understand
>>> space is at a premium in the capture window, so maybe have both in
>>> DXK likewe do in DXV?
>>
>> Capture is intended to be a minim subset for data entry. Both DXCC
>> Prefix and Entity Name (as well as "Code" or "ADIF Number") are present
>> in the Log QSOs window of DXKeeper.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>> On 2/21/2016 7:58 AM, Brian Smithson n8wrl@... [dxlab] wrote:
>>> Good morning!
>>>
>>> As I work the various TO stations in the CW contest this weekend, I find
>>> myself having to correct the entity in the log. Sometimes I catch it in
>> the
>>> capture window and other times I pick whatever and fix it later in DXK.
>>>
>>> My problem is, the DXCC pull-down in the capture window is the prefix
>> while
>>> the 'Entity' pull-down in DXK is the full name. I can't always remember
>>> the names of the prefixes and vice-versa, so sometimes I have to google
>> it.
>>>
>>> DXV has both.
>>>
>>> Can we do something to make capture and DXK consistent? I understand
>> space
>>> is at a premium in the capture window, so maybe have both in DXK like we
>> do
>>> in DXV?
>>>
>>> Thank you, and 73!
>>>
>>> -Brian n8wrl
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: DXCC Credit download

 

I¡¯m wondering how the process could have timed out and still finished
? of the process.
The timeout is for that credit only.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 2/21/2016 11:25 AM, 'Julio Peralta' jperalta4@... [dxlab] wrote:
Today I ran DXCC Credit Download for the first time. When the process
completed I found that there had been one error. Checking the list I found
this error message about ? of the way down the list.



Error: unable to obtain details for DXCC credit# 648478261C: connection
timeout



I¡¯m wondering how the process could have timed out and still finished ? of
the process.



I guess I should run the scan again?



Julio, W4HY
Re: DXCC capture vs. DXV

 

Simple, if you need both, use DXKeeper's main window.

Capture is already too large - particularly with the "contest mode"
entry data on the tenth line and four lines of "User Defined" fields.

Capture already consumes as much vertical space as DXKeeper's main
window when none of the optional panels are displayed.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2/21/2016 11:13 AM, Brian Smithson n8wrl@... [dxlab] wrote:
They are, Joe, but they are different. I just don't have a cross-reference
in my head for prefix and name. Having to select one in one place and the
other in another is confusing.

I am sensitive to this because in my work we provide a parts catalog for
car dealerships. We agonize over UI for a largely non-computer-expert
audience. My bible is Krug's "Don't Make Me Think" for UI design.

73

-Brian n8wrl

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 11:09 AM, 'Joe Subich, W4TV' lists@...
[dxlab] <dxlab@...> wrote:




Can we do something to make capture and DXK consistent? I understand
space is at a premium in the capture window, so maybe have both in
DXK likewe do in DXV?
Capture is intended to be a minim subset for data entry. Both DXCC
Prefix and Entity Name (as well as "Code" or "ADIF Number") are present
in the Log QSOs window of DXKeeper.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2/21/2016 7:58 AM, Brian Smithson n8wrl@... [dxlab] wrote:
Good morning!

As I work the various TO stations in the CW contest this weekend, I find
myself having to correct the entity in the log. Sometimes I catch it in
the
capture window and other times I pick whatever and fix it later in DXK.

My problem is, the DXCC pull-down in the capture window is the prefix
while
the 'Entity' pull-down in DXK is the full name. I can't always remember
the names of the prefixes and vice-versa, so sometimes I have to google
it.

DXV has both.

Can we do something to make capture and DXK consistent? I understand
space
is at a premium in the capture window, so maybe have both in DXK like we
do
in DXV?

Thank you, and 73!

-Brian n8wrl
DXCC Credit download

 

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Today I ran DXCC Credit Download for the first time. When the process completed I found that there had been one error. Checking the list I found this error message about ? of the way down the list.

?

Error: unable to obtain details for DXCC credit# 648478261C: connection timeout

?

I¡¯m wondering how the process could have timed out and still finished ? of the process.

?

I guess I should run the scan again?

?

Julio, W4HY
Re: How to stop displaying PSK information?

 

I didn't ask for any program changes to be made. I am just trying to find out if there is an option to not display PSK info.

73,
Tim - N3XX

On 2016-02-21 9:30 AM, KA9JAC ka9jac@... [dxlab] wrote:
If that's the only issue you are having consider yourself lucky.
It means that Dave is doing a fantastic job with his software.

Everyone can find one or 2 little things they would like to change,
But that doesn't mean that anything should be done about it,
because in some cases its not as easy as they may think.
I suspect this is one of those things that may get added to (if its not
already) on the list of possible changes.
If it was me, I would not give it high priority.

73
Bob

On 2/21/2016 8:03 AM, n3xx@... [dxlab] wrote:

Hi all,

I can't find any way to stop displaying the PSK columns & rows in
Realtime Awards Tracking, DXView, and DXCC Progress reports. In the
DXKeeper configuration, Awards tab, DXCC Bands & Modes panel, I have
unchecked the PSK box, but the unwanted columns & rows are still
displayed. I do pursue Digital awards, but have no need to see PSK
information separately, so it would be nice to not see that information
displayed. Is there any way to stop displaying PSK info?

Thanks & 73,
Tim - N3XX

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Re: DXCC capture vs. DXV

Brian Smithson
 

They are, Joe, but they are different. I just don't have a cross-reference in my head for prefix and name. Having to select one in one place and the other in another is confusing.

I am sensitive to this because in my work we provide a parts catalog for car dealerships. We agonize over UI for a largely non-computer-expert audience. My bible is Krug's "Don't Make Me Think" for UI design.

73

-Brian n8wrl

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 11:09 AM, 'Joe Subich, W4TV' lists@... [dxlab] <dxlab@...> wrote:
?


> Can we do something to make capture and DXK consistent? I understand
> space is at a premium in the capture window, so maybe have both in
> DXK likewe do in DXV?

Capture is intended to be a minim subset for data entry. Both DXCC
Prefix and Entity Name (as well as "Code" or "ADIF Number") are present
in the Log QSOs window of DXKeeper.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2/21/2016 7:58 AM, Brian Smithson n8wrl@... [dxlab] wrote:
> Good morning!
>
> As I work the various TO stations in the CW contest this weekend, I find
> myself having to correct the entity in the log. Sometimes I catch it in the
> capture window and other times I pick whatever and fix it later in DXK.
>
> My problem is, the DXCC pull-down in the capture window is the prefix while
> the 'Entity' pull-down in DXK is the full name. I can't always remember
> the names of the prefixes and vice-versa, so sometimes I have to google it.
>
> DXV has both.
>
> Can we do something to make capture and DXK consistent? I understand space
> is at a premium in the capture window, so maybe have both in DXK like we do
> in DXV?
>
> Thank you, and 73!
>
> -Brian n8wrl
>
Re: DXCC capture vs. DXV

 

Can we do something to make capture and DXK consistent? I understand
space is at a premium in the capture window, so maybe have both in
DXK likewe do in DXV?
Capture is intended to be a minim subset for data entry. Both DXCC
Prefix and Entity Name (as well as "Code" or "ADIF Number") are present
in the Log QSOs window of DXKeeper.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 2/21/2016 7:58 AM, Brian Smithson n8wrl@... [dxlab] wrote:
Good morning!

As I work the various TO stations in the CW contest this weekend, I find
myself having to correct the entity in the log. Sometimes I catch it in the
capture window and other times I pick whatever and fix it later in DXK.

My problem is, the DXCC pull-down in the capture window is the prefix while
the 'Entity' pull-down in DXK is the full name. I can't always remember
the names of the prefixes and vice-versa, so sometimes I have to google it.

DXV has both.

Can we do something to make capture and DXK consistent? I understand space
is at a premium in the capture window, so maybe have both in DXK like we do
in DXV?

Thank you, and 73!

-Brian n8wrl
Re: RDA List update

 

If no one is willing to help organize the necessary changes as
requested above, then perhaps DXKeeper's support of RDA awards should
be removed due an insufficient value/development-cost ratio. No other
award program has anywhere near this much churning in the definition
of its "counters".
I think the the overwhelming lack of response is your answer. Support
for submission generation could be withdrawn and the progress report
could be reduced to a simple list of districts worked with any decision
concerning current/deleted/replaced status left to the user just as is
currently the case with USA-CA and the independent cities.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 2/21/2016 4:01 AM, ' Dave AA6YQ' aa6yq@... [dxlab] wrote:
Last September, the release of the RDA press release

<>

led me to post this message:

<>

Here's an excerpt:

--------------------

It would be helpful if someone would review the March 2010 RDA press release and compile a list of changes to be made in 3 sections:

1. change the name or code of these districts from X to Y

2. add these new districts

3. delete these districts

That will improve the accuracy of the changes -- particularly if several RDA chasers review this list -- and accelerate their implementation.

--------------------

No response to the above request was received, so no changes to DXKeeper's subdivision database were made.

Now there's a new RDA press release

<>

with additional changes.

If no one is willing to help organize the necessary changes as requested above, then perhaps DXKeeper's support of RDA awards should be removed due an insufficient value/development-cost ratio. No other award program has anywhere near this much churning in the definition of its "counters".

73,

Dave, AA6YQ





-----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 11:11 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] Re: RDA List update

based on the list, and excluding RK-xx, these are new RDA, so yes.

I don't know how is manage "deleted" RDA into DXKeeper.

from the latest list,

- 67 are deleted but merge to another RDA

- 2 are simple deleted

For the 67 (as deleted), it seems a specific recompute needs to be performed as QSO with a deleted RDA must be reallocated with new RDA


"3. Deleted districts (because of union with existing districts). Here two existing districts were united into one district with now common administration. So You have to change all QSOs for the old district, e.g. AR-08, to the new district, in this case AR-23. If You have already confirmed AR-23 so You will just loose AR-08. If You haven't confirmed AR-23 but AR-08 so the QSO with AR-08 now confirms AR-23, no matter for which date the QSO is."




So "old" qso with a delated RDA as to be re-written with new RDA reference as no validation date




An RDA expert may be can jump into this post to give advice(s)




Best 73





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SpotSpy DDE working now

Brian Smithson
 

I accidentally double-clicked on the frequency of the SpotSpy entry and not the callsign and DDE worked! Who knew. There's probably RTFM somewhere. If not, you have to double-click on the frequency!

73

-Brian n8wrl
Re: How to stop displaying PSK information?

 

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If that's the only issue you are having consider yourself lucky.
It means that Dave is doing a fantastic job with his software.

Everyone can find one or 2 little things they would like to change,
But that doesn't mean that anything should be done about it,
because in some cases its not as easy as they may think.
I suspect this is one of those things that may get added to (if its not already) on the list of possible changes.
If it was me, I would not give it high priority.

73
Bob

On 2/21/2016 8:03 AM, n3xx@... [dxlab] wrote:

?

Hi all,

I can't find any way to stop displaying the PSK columns & rows in
Realtime Awards Tracking, DXView, and DXCC Progress reports. In the
DXKeeper configuration, Awards tab, DXCC Bands & Modes panel, I have
unchecked the PSK box, but the unwanted columns & rows are still
displayed. I do pursue Digital awards, but have no need to see PSK
information separately, so it would be nice to not see that information
displayed. Is there any way to stop displaying PSK info?

Thanks & 73,
Tim - N3XX

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