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CW and Clusters
D. Scott MacKenzie
Danny said.....
"But then of course you would have the same thing happen that I was hit with the other day. Im setting an sending CQ at 20 wpm, and someone came back at me at 5 wpm. (ON THE EXTRA CLASS BAND). Sigh! I know- I know - there is no test, even for 5 wpm anymore - at least in most nations. We novices wouldn't have even dared to do that. That was also an unwritten rule." I would be pleased that someone came back to me with my call at 5wpm. I would immediately QRS - regardless of the position on the band. I wouldn't want to get into the position of - "I am a REAL EXTRA and earned my 20WPM => so I am going to show him the audacity of playing in my sandbox....." This is not trying to flame anyone, but I would work him, QRS, and repeat as necessary for him. In a DXpedition - the situation is different....you are there a limited time and trying to work as may as possible. This is one of the problems with the great spotting programs we have - the spot cluster announces it - we click to move rig there, click a macro to call and to answer - Viola - Instant DX. It has created a large portion of "cluster-monkeys".... Just my 2 cents from an old man Scott |
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Re: Pitcairn Island on 14070 CW or RTTY?
Danny Douglas
Over the years, the CW speed in contests has gotten faster and faster. I
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can only believe it is because of the availability of keyboards and MACROS . Back when we were all using Vibroplexes we had some people that sent 20-25 wpm, but most couldnt. At the same time, we had one hand busy with paper logs/dupe sheets/coffee cups, etc. We had separate tansmitter/receivers and antenna tuners that had to be manually tuned. All of that tended to keep the speeds reasonable. As keyboards first came on line (I built my first one in 70) we had a few people that couldnt avoid cranking up the speed, but there were few of them out there. Computers came around, and guys with VIC20s managed to get them to key a rig and things got a little faster. Now - every Tom, Dick, and Harry, as well as Jose, Deiter, and Viktor have computers and are keying CW with them. They crank them up, probably higher than they themselves can comfortably copy code (some dont see to be able to copy at 5wpm) and we have a mess. We have DX stations going QRT from CW because the crowd cant seem to read his pleas to simply QRS a bit. He is not the only one. I just wish there was a way to ensure the guys sending at 35 wpm could copy that speed. When I came into radio, the hams told me: Dont send any faster than you can copy, or someone may come back at that speed -----Its happening isnt it? I got into military/government communications and the rule was : Send only as fast as the slowest operator on the net. Apparently none of these guys have been trained either by knowledgeable hams, or government operators. Its apparent that more and more of them cant even read half the speed they are keying with their computers. Hey, I would love to see a big internantional contest allow only bugs and straight keys. But then of course you would have the same thing happen that I was hit with the other day. Im setting an sending CQ at 20 wpm, and someone came back at me at 5 wpm. (ON THE EXTRA CLASS BAND). Sigh! I know- I know - there is no test, even for 5 wpm anymore - at least in most nations. We novices wouldnt have even dared to do that. That was also an unwritten rule. Lastly, I hear people saying they are using xyz program to COPY code. Baloney. Even the best computer programs out there cannot copy code as well as the human ear. Yeah, perfect machine sent code, 80 wpm, no QRM, or other propagation problems and the good ones can copy better than I can, but I only copy 50 wpm, under those conditions. Lets put a little QRN, QRM, QSB on the signal and see how those computers do that. Lets not pretend to be a morse operator, if we have to depend on computers. Swith over to PSK or RTTY and have fun. Leave the driving to us. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Art Searle W2NRA" <w2nra@...> To: <dxlab@...> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [dxlab] RE: Pitcairn Island on 14070 CW or RTTY? Hi Rich,I set my Keyer at 23 WPM (sometimes 21 WPM) because I was getting too manythe middle of their exchanges. I don't think you'll ever get contesters toslow down (except 160m contests - those guys know better).great free program for improving your speed. BTW you can set your CW speed in5:00 PM |
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cw and WinWarbler
Danny Douglas
I have everything working in the new computer, except CW. For some reason I
havent hit the right combination to get the rig to key. I use Comport 1 for CAT, and comport 2 for Rigblaster Plus. PSK, RTTY both work fine, but when I attempt to key CW, I see the green blinking light on WW working. Just no keying thru the RigBlaster to the rig (ts570s).. The rig blaster is plugged into the Key jack at the back of the rig, and a Iambic key plugged into the Paddle jack on the back of the rig. When I check the WW configuration cw tab I have it set up : Keyboard- auto start and auto stop (that works as far as the green blinking light is concerned: Under PTT assert PTT checked Keying - Im not sure what to do here. If I check either serial port RTS or serial port DTR and the port 2 is selected: I get a pop up saying port 2 is being used for PTT; keying CW keying will be accomplished through via its rts signal.-- and if I click on the serial port dtr I get anothe3r tab saying port 2 is being used for PTT; keying CW keying will be accomplished through via its DTR signal. When I leave it on PTT port (com2)RTS =- and key the keyboard - the green light blinks and the rigs PTT turns it on (parallel with the blinking) and off but there is no cw keying. When I set it for DTR, the green light blinks, ptt asserts the rig, but it stays on TX until the green light quits blinking on and off, then the rig goes back to receive. ----That is what happens when the Rigblaster switch is set to "automatic". If that switch is set to VOX -- I get only the green blinking light on WW - no switch to transmit at all on the rig, with either the PTT PORT DTS or PTT PORT RTS selected. Am not sure what the lower right panel : output port selector is for - but have tried both number 1 and number 2 - and see no changes. Simply do not get the rig to key CW from keyboard or MACROS. |
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Re: Pitcairn Island on 14070 CW or RTTY?
Art Searle W2NRA
Hi Rich,
You wrote: -- snip -- The crazy thing about that is that I can't believe there is anything-- snip -- And contesters don't slow down for band conditions either. I had a lot of QRN when I was running stations in the WAE contest a couple of weeks ago. I set my Keyer at 23 WPM (sometimes 21 WPM) because I was getting too many repeat exchange and QTC repeat requests. Slowing down cut down on the repeat requests. Yet guys were still calling me and sending exchanges as high as 35 WPM. I often had to ask for repeats due to static crashes in the middle of their exchanges. I don't think you'll ever get contesters to slow down (except 160m contests - those guys know better). The thing to do is work on improving your CW speed. Morse Runner is a great free program for improving your speed. BTW you can set your CW speed in Morse Runner but the speed of the stations that calling you still varies just like in a real contest. 73 Art W2NRA "Keep to the Code!" w2nra.com |
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Re: further simplifications to DXKeeper 6.0's Online QSL panel
Art Searle W2NRA
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Sorry for the delayed response. I just got back from a trip. Joe, you make an excellent point and I see that the CFM button must be retained. Retaining QSL cards in the Queue does make Online QSLing impossible. Your method of using the CFM button for LotW confirmations would never work for me, i.e. 176 LotW QSLs in August - a typical month. I like to take my time with QSL cards to fully research QSL routes and prepare QSLs. I may take a week. I never leave the cards in the QSL Queue. I mark all of the QSOs as QSL_Sent = R and work on them filtered in the Log QSOs tab. As a suggestion that would allow us to retain the QSOs in the QSL Queue, would it be possible to have selecting Add Needed or Add Requested also filter the Log to those QSOs? And/or could there be a prompt to ask "Do you want to set QSL_Sent to R?" when you select Add Needed? If there are objections to this could it be a configurations selection - a radio button "Add QSL_Sent = R to prompt to Add Needed? 73 Art W2NRA "Keep to the Code!" w2nra.com ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <w4tv@...> If you use the CFM button in the LotW sub-panel with anyMy "live" log generally has cards/labels in the queue. However, |
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Re: Pitcairn Island on 14070 CW or RTTY?
Ron Rosson
Hi Art it is going OK.
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I will explain more in private email. Yes it is the best logger of them all. I'm still getting familiar with it. I'm switching over from DXbase 6k. 73 Ron Art K6XT wrote:
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Best DX, Ron Rosson(N6XT, formerly WB6ORX) N6XT's Ham Shack Online <> n6xt@... Virus scanned by Norton AV 2K6 |
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Re: Pitcairn Island on 14070 CW or RTTY?
At 09:59 AM 8/26/2007, you wrote:
Unfortunately many of us have had to struggle through this phase ofThe crazy thing about that is that I can't believe there is anything to be gained by going any faster than 25-30 WPM in a contest. In fact it probably leads to a great may requests for repeats and winds up slowing them down. Some people just don't to get it! The really good contest OPS, (K3ZO and W3LPL for example) the ones you always see with the top scores and who hold world records, generally set their CW speed around 25 WPM or even a little slower. 73, Rich - W3ZJ |
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Browser Integration (Pathfinder)
JT Croteau
Dave,
Firefox is my default web browser. Additionally, it was set as default before I installed DXLab. DXLab's online help pages launch Firefox properly for all related applications. However, I have a problem with Pathfinder. When I launch a site from within Pathfinder, say someones homepage linked on their QRZ bio, it always launches IE and not Firefox. Is IE hardwired into Pathfinder or might there be a separate registry entry for Pathfinders browser? Thanks -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH |
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Re: No RTTY Xmit
At 06:14 PM 8/25/2007, you wrote:
Just noticed that I can only get WW to transmit in RTTY byIn WinWarblers Config screen, RTTY tab, click "MTTY Setup" then select the TX tab. Is the PTT Com port set to the same port you use for PSK31? 73, Rich - W3ZJ |
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Re: Pitcairn Island on 14070 CW or RTTY?
Hi, Tom. Thanks for making the DXLab effort on CW. Yes, what you experienced is all too often the attitude of many in the DX/contest community -- they really don't listen and honor the DX operators request. That may be because so many of them are calling so much they don't even hear the little bit of signal that they MIGHT otherwise hear.
Unfortunately many of us have had to struggle through this phase of CW ops -- I've come to the point that if I can't copy at my speed of 25 - 30 wpm I just don't put the guys in the log. And that's mostly in contest operations -- I'm thinking about abandoning the SS contest because there certainly seems to be more emphasis on speed than anything else. Fine for those who can, but if too many ops like me bail out there won't be so many big scores for the speed-merchants. I'm content to let them buzz each other. Stick with the DXLab/WW programs -- they are very much worth the effort to get them right. And keep working out on the key(er) -- it too is worth the effort. The DXLab and WW interfaces very well with the MicroKeyer and lets you concentrate on listening/hearing and not the mechanics of the program itself. Apologies for the speedy guys who drove you off -- someday they may see the light -- but don't hold your breath. 73, Vic, W4VIC Re: Pitcairn Island on 14070 CW or RTTY? Posted by: "Ron Rosson" n6xt@... n6xtus Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:38 pm (PST) Hi Tom, Try CWget it help through the fast guys and pick up you speed copying too. Nice Job. 73 Ron N6XT Tom Dixon wrote: claim to be a morse operator....however I can struggle alone at 10-12computer or radio fault.....may be I was not reading the help file enough? |
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Re: PSK31
Danny Douglas
Only if I have my glasses on.
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From: "Earl Needham" <needhame1@...> To: <dxlab@...> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [dxlab] PSK31 At 01:46 PM 8/25/2007, Danny Douglas wrote:hasSounds like a lot of good advice you have been getting from the gang. One 2:59 PMmentiioned mike gain, though.AGC? ALC? |
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Re: spotcollector sources-- KS4Q -- VE7CC
Danny Douglas
OK Thanks. Hd you on the other (zapped) computer, but of course didnt
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remember the address. ----- Original Message -----
From: "ve7cc" <ve7cc@...> To: <dxlab@...> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:56 PM Subject: [dxlab] Re: spotcollector sources-- KS4Q -- VE7CC The preferred address for VE7CC-1 is2:59 PM |
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Re: PSK31, RTTY, etc...
Earl Needham
At 10:45 PM 8/24/2007, Danny Douglas wrote:
Im headed off to bed as its midnight 30 plus right now. Tomorow evening,Danny, I suspect you're already in bed, but if you're up, would you like to try 40 meters? Otherwise we'll put it off until Monday evening at the earliest. 7 3 Earl KD5XB -- Earl Needham Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk Quoting from the Coast Guard: ZUT |
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Re: PSK31 Displayand Receive problem
Glad you've got it going again, Dave. I should have suggested
clicking the "Set Default Colors" button on the Config window's Display tab; it brings all the font, background, and line colors back to factory settings. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In dxlab@..., DESloan@... wrote: this computer and it worked great Mon-Wed. Thursday I had a doctorsappointment and Friday was tied up). Before I was able to see a line for thefrequency for each pane and it was in color, I just checked and all of the colorselections were set to black. Changed them and everything seems to be working.Don't have any idea what could have caused this to happen. But, glad it is allworking again.all space is allocated to pane 0 (which some operators prefer). Tochange this, slowly move the mouse cursor from receive pane 0 downtowards the transmit panel; when the mouse cursor changes to a double-headed arrow, click-drag upwards with the left mouse button, and adivider will appear that separates pane 0 from an expanding pane 1. Nowdivider will appear that separates pane 1 from an expanding pane 2.but samenew AOL atresults. Stations Heard is working and decoding signals alright.RTTY will notdecode signals either. In both cases I can see signals on thewaterfall butdon't see the line that shows me what frequency I'm on. When Iclick on thewaterfall the frequency changes (verified by transmitting) butagain I don't seethe line that shows the frequency that I'm on. Hope that someonehas someideas that I can try. I haven't shut down the computer andrestarted. I'll trythat right after I send this.new AOL at |
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Re: 14070 CW or RTTY?
Earl,
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Just a comment. Many PSKers set their radio on14070 and use the audio in the PSK pgm for selecting the PSK stn. If their program is not as smart as Dave's, all their PSK spots will be sent as 14070. You could set your limit to 14069.5 quite safely, I think. (I set my radio to 14069.5 and lock the dial when running PSK, as that puts the signals close to 070 at a more reasonable audio frequency). I agree with your reaction to Dav'es comment on band plans; I doubt I would be so "polite"! 73 Pete K5GM Earl Needham wrote: At 07:17 PM 8/24/2007, Dave Bernstein wrote: |
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Re: 5BWAS FROM NEW QTH
Welcome to 1-land, Jose! Will you be visiting the eastern side of our
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state anytime soon? An eyeball QSO would be great. You can filter your Log by operator callsign or "my QTH" before running the WAS report. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In dxlab@..., N1BAA - Jose Castillo <n1baa@...> wrote:
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Re: No RTTY Xmit
Earl Needham
At 07:27 PM 8/25/2007, Dave Bernstein wrote:
Earl and I fixed this; WinWarbler's PTT mode must be set to "RTS+DTR"Thanks for the help, Dave, and it appears we also fixed my IMD "thing" at the same time. 7 3 Earl KD5XB -- Earl Needham Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk Quoting from the Coast Guard: ZUT |
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Re: No RTTY Xmit
Earl and I fixed this; WinWarbler's PTT mode must be set to "RTS+DTR"
for use with soundcard RTTY. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In dxlab@..., Earl Needham <needhame1@...> wrote: can avoid it.
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Re: Pitcairn Island on 14070 CW or RTTY?
Art K6XT
Hi Ron hows it going OB?
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Great to read you've found the best logger of em all! 73 Art Ron Rosson wrote: Hi Tom, |
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