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Hi Suzanne:
?
I don't know what happened to that last message, because it had an
attachment with it. I hope it is not something that I was doing wrong. But I am
interested in your groups. Are you the leader? And how long have you been
teaching?
?
Personally, I just did most of my studying alone. Although, I think I
bought every tape and book that was ever put out about the Course. Right now, as
you can probably tell I am studying along with Ken's tapes. He is a fast talker,
even though he tends to be on the quiet side,? and I find that in order to
get what he is saying, I often need to go over it several times. Or, write it
down.
?
~ Martha :-)
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Hello mastreet@...,
In reference to your comment:
è Personally, I just did most of my studying alone.
è Although, I think I bought every tape and book that was
è ever put out about the Course. Right now, as you can
è probably tell I am studying along with Ken's tapes. He
è is a fast talker, even though he tends to be on the quiet
è side,? and I find that in order to get what he is saying, I
è often need to go over it several times. Or, write it down.
BTW Marttha ... Ken says Hello? :-)
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Hi Suzanne:
?
I don't know what happened to that last message, because it had an attachment with it. I hope it is not something that I was doing wrong. But I am interested in your groups. Are you the leader? And how long have you been teaching?
Personally, I just did most of my studying alone. Although, I think I bought every tape and book that was ever put out about the Course. Right now, as you can probably tell I am studying along with Ken's tapes. He is a fast talker, even though he tends to be on the quiet side,? and I find that in order to get what he is saying, I often need to go over it several times. Or, write it down.
~ Martha :-)
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>>BTW Marttha ... Ken
says Hello? :-)<<
Thanks Ossie:
?
I hope you didn't tell him,
that I am transcribing some of his commentaries on the workbook, and freely
passing them on. :-)) Actually, I am trying to keep it down to the one's that
are most meaningful to me, but the problem is, most of them are.
?
I have had an viral
infection of the inner ear, which results in extreme dizziness, nausea etc. My
son, who is a medical doctor prescribed pills for it about a month ago, but as
soon as I started feeling better, I went off them. But then the symptoms came
back with a whammy, about three days ago. I could hardly sit up. Now I have been
told to stay on the pills for at least a couple of months.
?
Well... at least it
promoted a nice joining with my son, as he had to look into my eyes, if only to
confirm his prognosis. ;-)
?
Hope you enjoy the rest of
the workshop with Ken. And it is so good to hear what you are learning. Hope to
be hearing more from you.
?
Peace Martha
:-)
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Hello mastreet@...,
In reference to your comment:
è? hope you didn't tell him, that I am transcribing some of
è his commentaries on the workbook, and freely passing
è them on. :-)) Actually, I am trying to keep it down to
è the one's that are most meaningful to me, but the
è problem is, most of them are.
Didn't notice .. just thought you were sharing.? And you know that Ken is not concerned with form .. just content.?? :-)
Today was a rough day ... took all week but I finally broke down ... we discussed lesson 23 about looking at attack thoughts ... and I just filled in the blanks ... and then it hit me hard all the objects of hatred I have and the next question am I willing to let them go.
Ken mentioned something about seeing a "contrast" that we really won't give things up until we see the cost.? I got a glimpse of the cost today ...
price is much too high.
Peace
Ossie
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Ossie
wrote;
>>Today was a rough day ... took all week but I finally
broke down ... we discussed lesson 23 about looking at attack thoughts ... and I
just filled in the blanks ... and then it hit me hard all the objects of hatred
I have and the next question am I willing to let them go.Ken mentioned something
about seeing a "contrast" that we really won't give things up until we
see the cost.? I got a glimpse of the cost today ...
price is much too
high.<<
Hi Ossie, and thanks for sharing. I will have to go back
and read that lesson over again, with Ken's commentaries. Actually a friend of
mine, that I went to his Seattle workshop with, and I were talking today and I
mentioned what a large crowd he is having in Atlanta, and she was curious as to
what the title of the Workshops were?
?
It really seems as though,
you are getting a lot out of all that he is saying. And I am finding that more
and more so with myself, listening to his tapes. I can still seem to get it
one minute, and then I am back to holding on to grievances the next. But at
least I am being more gentle with myself (sometimes) when I find myself judging
like crazy. I mean, what else would my ego or any one else's ego do??? So as
long as we can look at it with Jesus or the Holy Spirit, and then release it, I am sure we will want
that more and more.
?
Peace Martha
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--- In Disappearance_of_the_Universe@..., "mstreet" <mastreet@t...> wrote: Ossie wrote;
What a large crowd he is having in Atlanta, and she was curious
as to what the title of the Workshops were? Academy: Journey from self to SELF Workshop: Living "A Course in Miracles" There will be CDs of both the Academy Class and Workshop that should be available in a couple of weeks. It really seems as though, you are getting a lot out of all that he is saying. And I am finding that more and more so with myself, listening to his tapes. I can still seem to get it one minute, and then I am back to holding on to grievances the next. But at least I am being more gentle with myself (sometimes) when I find myself judging like crazy. I mean, what else would my ego or any one else's ego do??? So as long as we can look at it with Jesus or the Holy Spirit, and then release it, I am sure we will want that more and more.
Peace Martha
I am going to use a boat analogy. The ride was bumpy at times, but I was able to hang in there ... saying "yeah, yeah, yeah" nodding my head "Yes, Yes, Yes" I guess I thought if I made it through the academy class, the workshop would be smooth sailing ... Ken would just repeat ... to reinforce what was said earlier in the week. Then out of no where this huge tide just appeared and knocked me out for a loop. For a moment I did not know what hit me .. but I quickly remembered what to do (I used the analogy of getting off the stage and joining with Jesus and watched myself). I did not want to fall apart completely for I was determined to finish what I set out to do ... do what I needed to do to not miss a session because I could always fall apart later, and I have a strange feeling that I was not alone in this feeling. ;-) But it was time for this, these attack thoughts was taking its toll on me ... and it is time to choose again. It is going to take time to process all that happened this week ... being able to post on here has been a big help. During a question and answer session, someone asked Ken about Gary's book .. I had my head down at the time (I was waking up from a nap). But Gary's books is getting a lot of attention. Billy talks about the book every chance he gets :-) And I also have a feeling more folks will be showing up on this listserv and/or Course_Talk provided the yahoo experience doesn't scare them away. Until next time Peace Ossie
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Hey.... This is showing up on my home e-mail so I hope you don't mind if I ask
a question. What does Ken think of Gary's book? He obviously gave it his
stamp of approval. It is certainly complimentary in what it says about his
legacy but it is also pretty far out in some of the stuff it says. Ken must be
pretty cool to let it go to press... or did he get a visit from two TOGS
himself?
Blessings
Suzanne
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--- In Disappearance_of_the_Universe@..., "mstreet"
<mastreet@t...> wrote:
Ossie wrote;
What a large crowd he is having in Atlanta, and she was curious
as to what the title of the Workshops were?
Academy: Journey from self to SELF
Workshop: Living "A Course in Miracles"
There will be CDs of both the Academy Class and Workshop that should
be available in a couple of weeks.
It really seems as though, you are getting a lot out of all that he is saying. And I am finding that more and more so with myself,
listening to his tapes. I can still seem to get it one minute, and
then I am back to holding on to grievances the next. But at least I
am being more gentle with myself (sometimes) when I find myself
judging like crazy. I mean, what else would my ego or any one else's
ego do??? So as long as we can look at it with Jesus or the Holy
Spirit, and then release it, I am sure we will want that more and
more.
Peace Martha
I am going to use a boat analogy. The ride was bumpy at times, but I
was able to hang in there ... saying "yeah, yeah, yeah" nodding my
head "Yes, Yes, Yes" I guess I thought if I made it through the
academy class, the workshop would be smooth sailing ... Ken would
just repeat ... to reinforce what was said earlier in the week.
Then out of no where this huge tide just appeared and knocked me out
for a loop.
For a moment I did not know what hit me .. but I quickly remembered
what to do (I used the analogy of getting off the stage and joining
with Jesus and watched myself). I did not want to fall apart
completely for I was determined to finish what I set out to do ... do
what I needed to do to not miss a session because I could always fall
apart later, and I have a strange feeling that I was not alone in
this feeling. ;-)
But it was time for this, these attack thoughts was taking its toll
on me ... and it is time to choose again.
It is going to take time to process all that happened this week ...
being able to post on here has been a big help.
During a question and answer session, someone asked Ken about Gary's
book .. I had my head down at the time (I was waking up from a
nap). But Gary's books is getting a lot of attention. Billy talks
about the book every chance he gets :-)
And I also have a feeling more folks will be showing up on this
listserv and/or Course_Talk provided the yahoo experience doesn't
scare them away.
Until next time
Peace
Ossie
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Ossie wrote:
>>Academy:? Journey from self to SELF
? Workshop: Living "A Course in Miracles"<<
?
Hi Ossie:
?
I have a video called "Living a Course in Miracles" and I
found that to be very powerful too, I guess, there is no way of knowing whether
they are the same? Although, I have heard Ken laughing say: that when he gave a
workshop on Psychotherapy (I believe it was) and someone said, that he was
hoping to get something different, but it just sounded like the regular Course.
And Ken even said, he made this same comment to Helen too, after it was
dictated.
>>Then out of no where this huge tide just
appeared and knocked me out
for a loop.<<
?
Sounds as though something really hit home with you.??
>>It is going to take time to process all that happened this week
...
being able to post on here has been a big help.<<
?
It helps us too, hearing about it.
>>During a question
and answer session, someone asked Ken about Gary's
book? .. I had my
head down at the time (I was waking up from a
nap).? But Gary's books
is getting a lot of attention.? Billy talks
about the book every chance
he gets :-)<<
?
I hope Gary's listening!!! Actually my Course friend that lives near
by, keeps hinting that she wants borrow my book of the Disappearance of the
Universe. I told her today that I want to keep mine around in case someone makes
references to it. I suggested that if she can't afford it at this time, to order
one at the library. The libraries around here are pretty good at getting books
in, and I think it would be an asset to have one here in Vancouver.
?
>>And I also have a feeling more folks will be showing up on this
listserv and/or Course_Talk provided the yahoo experience doesn't
scare
them away.<<
Nice. BTW did you have far to go to get to Atlanta? My
friend was saying that she really wants to go to another of Ken's workshops in
California.
?
Peace Martha
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Suzanne wrote:
>>Hey.... This is showing up on my home e-mail so I hope
you don't mind if I ask
a question.<<
?
Hi Suzanne:
?
From what I understand, this is an open forum, so that
any one can jump in, and ask questions or make remarks to any one, or even bring
up their own experiences or understanding..
?
>>"What does Ken think of Gary's book?<<
?
I haven't a clue. But I do know from reading
on FACIM question and answer site, here:?
? I have
read where they don't make it a policy to comment on other people's books. At
least this was in response to someone who asked about book "The Power of
Now." Although that book, was in my estimation quite different than the
Course. In that it's focus has nothing to do with forgiveness as the Course
teaches it. Or even on the basic metaphysics that the Course has.
?
>>Ken must be pretty cool to let it go to press...<<
?
Personally I feel that Ken is quite liberal with other people using the
Course, as long as they don't use it, as a basis of forming it into some kind of
cult, or completely distorting it's teachings.
?
>>or did he get a visit from two TOGS himself?<<
?
I somehow doubt this, as he mentions in "Absence
from Felicity" he did feel a strong personal relationship with a presence
in his mind, even before the Course, but only after reading and studying the
Course did he realize that it was the same person (Jesus) that spoke in the
pages of the Course.
?
There are so many things that I have questions on to, but I try to keep an
open mind, and realize that I really don't know what things mean. Or why certain
things happen as they do.
?
I just know that for me, Gary's book resonated with my own understanding of
the Course.
?
Maybe Ossie will answer more later, as I believe today
is another full day for her. It does sound as if it has been a very helpful
session for her.
?
Peace Martha :-)
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Thanks Martha...D. U. has certainly been a huge help to me and everyone
I know who has read it.? I'm glad Ken let it through.
Blessings,
Suzanne
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mstreet wrote:
?Suzanne wrote:>>Hey....
This is showing up on my home e-mail so I hope you don't mind if I ask
a question.<<?Hi Suzanne:?From
what I understand, this is an open forum, so that any one can jump in,
and ask questions or make remarks to any one, or even bring up their own
experiences or understanding..?>>"What does Ken think of
Gary's book?<<?I haven't a clue.
But I do know from reading on FACIM question and answer site, here:?
I have read where they don't make it a policy to comment on other people's
books. At least this was in response to someone who asked about book "The
Power of Now." Although that book, was in my estimation quite different
than the Course. In that it's focus has nothing to do with forgiveness
as the Course teaches it. Or even on the basic metaphysics that the Course
has.?>>Ken must be pretty cool to let it go to press...<<?Personally
I feel that Ken is quite liberal with other people using the Course, as
long as they don't use it, as a basis of forming it into some kind of cult,
or completely distorting it's teachings.?>>or did he get
a visit from two TOGS himself?<<?I
somehow doubt this, as he mentions in "Absence from Felicity" he did feel
a strong personal relationship with a presence in his mind, even before
the Course, but only after reading and studying the Course did he realize
that it was the same person (Jesus) that spoke in the pages of the Course.?There
are so many things that I have questions on to, but I try to keep an open
mind, and realize that I really don't know what things mean. Or why certain
things happen as they do.?I just know that for me, Gary's book resonated
with my own understanding of the Course.?Maybe
Ossie will answer more later, as I believe today is another full day for
her. It does sound as if it has been a very helpful session for her.?Peace
Martha :-)?
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Hello mastreet@...,
In reference to your comment:
è There are so many things that I have questions on to,
è but I try to keep an open mind, and realize that I really
è don't know what things mean. Or why certain things
è happen as they do.? I just know that for me, Gary's
è book resonated with my own understanding of the
è Course. Maybe Ossie will answer more later, as I
è believe today is another full day for her. It does sound
è as if it has been a very helpful session for her.
The impression I got was that Ken did not give an opinion.? He was asked to look over the book to be sure it was in alignment with the Course ... and other than the fact that Ken met with Gary on a few occasions, he left it at that.
One of the things I understood at the workshops ... is that there is no Gary, Ken, you, me the Course, we are all symbols of a thought system ... and as the decision maker we can side with the Right Mind or the ego mind.
IMHO, Gary as a symbol was in his Right Mind when this information came through and it came through in a way that was consistent with the personality of Gary, very much in the same way that the Course came through Helen and reflected her personality.
The beauty of Gary's book is that is points us to the Course ... it was consistent in? that it repeatedly stated that the real work is in the study and application of the Course.? I think that is why I lost Gary's book at the airport on my way to Atlanta.? LOL
And you can tell when reading the Course, espcially for those who believe in the Course's objective of undoing the ego thought system that this was the goal in Gary's book also.
Personally I am very glad that Joe mentioned the book and that Ken did his part, because it was exactly what I needed to read ...
But I hope the day will come that I will not need the approval/ok of other's, that I will be able to trust my relationship with the Holy Spirt/Jesus and let Love guide me.?? For folks like Ken and Joe? and others may not always be here in form.
:::::sighing:::::
One day?
:-)
Peace
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Hello mastreet@...,
In reference to your comment:
è Nice. BTW did you have far to go to get to
è Atlanta? My friend was saying that she really wants to
è go to another of Ken's workshops in California.
è
2 hour plane ride
The next stop is California ... Colorado is a bit closer? LOL
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Ossie wrote:
>>Academy:? Journey from self to SELF
Workshop: Living "A Course in Miracles"<<
Hi Ossie:
I have a video called "Living a Course in Miracles" and I found that to be very powerful too, I guess, there is no way of knowing whether they are the same? Although, I have heard Ken laughing say: that when he gave a workshop on Psychotherapy (I believe it was) and someone said, that he was hoping to get something different, but it just sounded like the regular Course. And Ken even said, he made this same comment to Helen too, after it was dictated.
>>Then out of no where this huge tide just appeared and knocked me out
for a loop.<<
Sounds as though something really hit home with you.??
>>It is going to take time to process all that happened this week ...
being able to post on here has been a big help.<<
It helps us too, hearing about it.
>>During a question and answer session, someone asked Ken about Gary's
book? .. I had my head down at the time (I was waking up from a
nap).? But Gary's books is getting a lot of attention.? Billy talks
about the book every chance he gets :-)<<
I hope Gary's listening!!! Actually my Course friend that lives near by, keeps hinting that she wants borrow my book of the Disappearance of the Universe. I told her today that I want to keep mine around in case someone makes references to it. I suggested that if she can't afford it at this time, to order one at the library. The libraries around here are pretty good at getting books in, and I think it would be an asset to have one here in Vancouver.
>>And I also have a feeling more folks will be showing up on this
listserv and/or Course_Talk provided the yahoo experience doesn't
scare them away.<<
Nice. BTW did you have far to go to get to Atlanta? My friend was saying that she really wants to go to another of Ken's workshops in California.
Peace Martha
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Hello mastreet@...,
In reference to your comment:
è Hi again Ossie: Now I have another question. How do
è you get those arrows up there? You know those red
è arrows? Oh, I just thought of something ... you
è probably have a more advanced system than me. But
è they really make things stand out. Did you have your
è own personal computer in Atlanta? I guess it is one of
è those lap tops. Nice...? Love and Peace Martha :-)
It is an AOL feature.? I highlight the text I want to comment on and that is how it shows up.
Yes I have a laptop here .. I don't anywhere without it .... LOL
The only challenge has been relying on dial up instead of the high speed I am used to.?? Since the connection has been consistent and if I am signed on under this name it is easier to respond to emails on AOL than on yahoo.? Those yahoo ads are annoying ... LOL
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è Nice. BTW
did you have far to go to get to
è Atlanta? My friend was saying that she really wants
to
è go to
another of Ken's workshops in California.
è
Hi again Ossie:
?
Now I have another
question. How do you get those arrows up there? You know those red arrows? Oh, I
just thought of something ... you probably have a more advanced system than me.
But they really make things stand out. Did you have your own personal computer
in Atlanta? I guess it is one of those lap tops. Nice...
?
Love and Peace Martha
:-)
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