Scott's Creation Dilemma

scottriehl2

How can a being create a being with the ability to create if that 
original being was itself not created? With the help of the course I 
finally solved the riddle "Who came first - the chicken or the egg?" 
The answer is "Neither - they both don't exist." Meaning to say - if 
they are both real, the situation is impossible, because whichever 
one you say came first - I could say the other one came before it. 
But if they are both imaginary, you can just make up the idea of a 
chicken and then make up the idea that it lays an egg. You can start 
the loop anywhere you want. So, I solve that amazing core life 
question and where does it get me? Nowhere. The course says that I am 
a created being and I in turn create. That is a chicken and egg 
scenario. And real chicken and egg scenarios are impossible. You have 
to have a starting point. So, what is the solution? God is the 
starting point. He was not created. Which leads me back to my 
original question. How can a being create a being with the ability to 
create if that original being was itself not created? You (meaning 
God) are all there is and then one day decide to go into the infinite 
self-extension business? Should I feel unique that every being who 
comes after me has a creator who's been created but I'm the only one 
with a creator who hasn't?

#39

Bravo, Scott. You make some great observatiions. Of course the 
question itself is time based. The word "eternal" actually 
means "without time." You could also add in the concept of "without 
limits." As Arten or Pursah (I'd have to look up which one) said in 
the book, real love must be shared, and that's why you have extension 
in Heaven. Also, there are no limits there, which is beyond our 
limited comprehension. Plus, since there is no time, creation must 
happen simultaneously, which means, believe it or not, that 
the "original" creator, God, did not come before or after you, but at 
the same instant! That's a mind blower to a time-based, finite mind, 
but not to spirit, which cannot be limited by time or space. Thanks 
and peace, Gary.

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#42

In a message dated 5/20/03 6:53:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lklanglois@... writes:

The Course in order to communicate with us on the level we can understand at this moment speaks in symbols of symbols.

Yes Linda, that is it.? Upon Gary's first appearance with Pursah and
Arten, it was noted that they were appearing as (symbols) whose words
would help facilitate the disappearance of the universe (pg. 5).

Pursah goes on to say: "...we are symbols because anything that
appears to take on a form is symbolic.? The only true reality is God
or pure spirit, which in Heaven are synonymous, and God and pure
spirit have no form.? Thus there is no concept of male or female in
Heaven.? Any form, including your own body, that is experienced in
the false universe of perception must, by definition, be symbolic of
something else..."

When I first read this, something went up a notch in how I would now
read and study the Course.? Pursah's introduction was exactly
consistent with the Course.

"...words are but symbols of symbols.? They are thus twiced removed
from reality." (M-21.1:9-10)? Jesus says in Chapter 6, "The body is the
symbol of what you think you are." (T-6.V.(A)2:2)

"As we have already emphasized, every idea begins in the mind of
the thinker.? Therefore, what extends from the mind is still in it,
and from what it extends it knows itself." (T.6.III.l:1-2)

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peace

Billy

#40

Does the?breath that "seems" to expand as the chest rises create a separate being? Does the breath when the chest sinks back down "seem" to get destroyed or become less?

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One - Oneness - is like the breath in a way. It "seems" to expand and contract, but it doesn't really change. It isn't me that is Linda that creates, anyway. I am merely one being dreamed. It is the dreamer, and as the Course says it is impossible to tell where God ends and Christ begines. There is no?time, really - so no creations who came before or will come after, because there is no past nor future. It is only in the world that there is change.

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The Course in order to communicate with us on the level we can understand at this moment speaks in symbols of symbols.

scottriehl2 wrote:

How can a being create a being with the ability to create if that
original being was itself not created? With the help of the course I
finally solved the riddle "Who came first - the chicken or the egg?"
The answer is "Neither - they both don't exist." Meaning to say - if
they are both real, the situation is impossible, because whichever
one you say came first - I could say the other one came before it.
But if they are both imaginary, you can just make up the idea of a
chicken and then make up the idea that it lays an egg. You can start
the loop anywhere you want. So, I solve that amazing core life
question and where does it get me? Nowhere. The course says that I am
a created being and I in turn create. That is a chicken and egg
scenario. And real chicken and egg scenarios are impossible. You have
to have a starting point. So, what is the solution? God is the
starting point. He was not created. Which leads me back to my
original question. How can a being create a being with the ability to
create if that original being was itself not created? You (meaning
God) are all there is and then one day decide to go into the infinite
self-extension business? Should I feel unique that every being who
comes after me has a creator who's been created but I'm the only one
with a creator who hasn't?

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#43

Often one cannot solve a situation using the same mindset that created it in the first place.? Many great inventions and philosophical concepts?came about when their creators got out of the box.? Similarly, we cannot reason creation using linear-time or linear-space thinking.? Words and human languages arised from this dream world of forms and are limited in their usefulness in conveying messages from the God reality.? If linear logic cannot explain our existence, it certainly cannot explain creation.? If we accept the Course's message that this is not God's reality, we could accept God's reality that creation is beyond the concept of forms and?causality.

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