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Martha,

Thank you for listing Ken's lesson.? It's very good.

Part of Ken's talk is based on "I can escape from the world I see by giving up attack thoughts."? (W-23)

I think the reason that I can escape the world I SEE by giving up attack thoughts, is not because attack thoughts are "bad," but because attack thoughts are illusions.? Attack thoughts are illusions, because attack is impossible.

No one can attack me and I cannot attack anyone else.? All the emotional and physical pain that I have ever felt has been caused by my own mind, not by anything anyone else did to me.? I have simply given myself an "hypnotic suggestion" that if such and such happens I will feel emotional and/or physical pain.? The fact that emotional and physical pain is removed by hypnotic suggestion, shows that the body does not feel anything.? It is only the mind that thinks the body feels anything.

Therefore, to give up attack thoughts is simply to give up the illusion that attack is possible.? No one has ever hurt me and I have never hurt anyone.? That is why there is no sin, and why there is no guilt.?

As the Course says, "All that the ego is, is an idea that it is POSSIBLE that things could happen to the Son of God without his will ….? This is the MAD IDEA you have enshrined upon your altars, and which you worship." (T-21.II.6.)

This suggests that even my saying to someone, "I forgive you" is the evidence of my misperception.? As the Course says, " … no one can forgive a sin that he believes is real."? (T-27.II.2.)

A more accurate demonstration of "forgiveness" might be the phrase "No problem, nothing to forgive."? For example, someone might say to me, "I'm sorry I'm late."? True "forgiveness" might be the response, "No problem, nothing to forgive."? Since no one outside of me can cause me any pain, no one outside of me can cause me any problems.? Therefore, "No problem, nothing to forgive."

Bill

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Hello BillFrock@...,

In reference to your comment:

è No one can attack me and I cannot attack anyone
è else.? All the emotional and physical pain that I have
è ever felt has been caused by my own mind, not by
è anything anyone else did to me.? I have simply given
è myself an "hypnotic suggestion" that if such and such
è happens I will feel emotional and/or physical pain.

That is why that lesson made such an impact on me.? Things have happened to me over the past 2-3 years ... and when I put in the names of those folks in the blanks, it became very clear the only person I was hurting was myself ... all that time and energy and pain I went through ... it just felt very heavy :::::sighing:::: (realizing the price I choose to pay in order not to feel the Peace of God).? It is one thing to intellectualize it ... as obviously I had been doing, but when I see it for what it really is :::sighing::: :-(

I was also in touch with the part of me that was not ready to completely let go ... the need to be a victim and the need to be right? :::sighing:::: oh my goodness, how much power I have invested in those feelings :::sighing:::::

This is truly a process.

Peace

Ossie

P.S.? :::::SIGHING::::::??

OOOOOOOHHHHHH WEEEEEEEEEE I THINK I FEEL LIGHTER AFTER ALL THAT SIGHING ....

LOL

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Hello mastreet@...,

In reference to your comment:

è To look with Them at what we have sought to conceal
è from ourselves. You helped me my friend. Now lets not
è forget where our true Help comes from.

Oh Martha that is the insane part.? Coming from 12-step programs and dysfunctional family issues, I have put so much time and practice in learning not to be co-dependent, learning to accept the consequences of my actions and not always looking for an easy way out, figuring out how and why I do things in trying to end destructive patterns of behavior and to discover effective and alternative ways to do things, only to realize after working with the Course that I it was okay to ask for help ... but that I was asking the wrong person?? ::::sighing::::::

Depending on a god or jesus was something that we were trained to do as christians, but we were coming from a guilty/fear mindset ... so that needs to be undone .. and that takes time.

One thing for sure, after doing a workshop with Ken ... you do walk away feeling rather insane.?? :-)

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Ossie:

I was also in touch with the part of me that was not ready to completely let go ... the need to be a victim and the need to be right :::sighing:::: oh my goodness, how much power I have invested in those feelings :::sighing:::::

Me:

Interesting that you should use the word "part" to describe the "part of me that was not ready to completely let go."? Indeed, it seems that I am made up of "parts" that I have made.? One "part" to do this and another "part" to do that.? You said that you had made a "part" whose job it was to hold onto the idea of revenge or, perhaps, the idea of protection.? I have made those same parts for myself.? I didn't make them to hurt anyone, I just made them to protect me, because I thought that I needed protection.

Of course the Holy Spirit knows that I don't need protection.? So, when I bring those other parts to Him, He simply sees that I was mistaken about what I was when I made them.? Then I can let them go.

It may be the conflict among my "parts" that I project onto the world.? As my "parts" are integrated under the Guidance of the Holy (wholly) Spirit, my inner conflict becomes less and less, and the conflict I feel about the world becomes less and less.

In a sense, all the parts of myself that I have made are like multiple personalities.? And the Atonement or At-one-ment is the fusion, under the Guidance of the Holy Spirit, of those multiples into One.?

Bill

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Hello BillFrock@...,

In reference to your comment:

è my inner conflict becomes less and less, and the
è conflict I feel about the world becomes less and less.

Yes, there goes that word "process"

LOL

To think we could be home in an instant ...

but we choose to go through the "process"? because if we do it any other way ... it could induce more fear.

Insane
Insane
Insane

But on the flip side, considering who we think we are, it is the kindest and only way to go.

As frustrated as I am with the process at times, because it seems so silly to put ourselves through all this ... especially when we are able to intellectualize and articulate the concept and ideas of the Course so well ... but the bottom line is that we are afraid ... we are very afraid ...

so I am thankful that Jesus/HS have the patience of a saint.?? :-)

BTW? What is a saint anyway?

mstreet

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Ossie wrote:
>>I was also in touch with the part of me that was not ready to completely let go ... the need to be a victim and the need to be right? :::sighing:::: oh my goodness, how much power I have invested in those feelings <<

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Dear Ossie:

I have been feeling very much the same way. Just this week it really really hit me... "I" am doing this. And then when you wrote it down, it made me realize how often Ken stresses we cannot do this alone. How important it is to have a relationship with Jesus or the Holy Spirit. To look with Them at what we have sought to conceal from ourselves. You helped me my friend. Now lets not forget where our true Help comes from.

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And thanks for the reminder that this is a process. :::: sigh::::

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Peace Martha

mstreet

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Bill wrote:

>>Of course the Holy Spirit knows that I don't need protection.? So, when I bring those other parts to Him, He simply sees that I was mistaken about what I was when I made them.? Then I can let them go.<<

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Nice to hear from you here Bill, and witnessing more and more that you truly practice what you (preach.) Not that I find you to be the preaching type. (LOL) But what you do, is consistent with what you say.

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Peace Martha :-)

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