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Doesn't really matter, whatever anyone believes is true is true.<<

As long as they don't promote it as what A Course in Miracles

teaches. :-)

~ Martha

And, of course, YOU know what ACIM teaches better than anyone
else, right?

And you are promoting your belief in what it teaches.

You seem to have missed the chapter that says everyone is just
as "right" as anyone else, and ego can see and try and correct ego in
anyone else.


I know it's my ego pointing this out to you.

And that I don't see/believe there are contrdictions and
corrections anywhere in ACIM except that one place, that seems to
be "just stuck in", not even all that relevant to what else is being
discussed there.

But, thanks for sharing your beliefs on it.

Something to remember next time I think about discussing something.

I'll have to check it out with you first and make sure it's what
ACIM really says- and means.

~ Carrie

Hey Gary (and Thomas, and everybody else too, for that matter...)

This thread has piqued my "SciFi/Time-Travel/Paradox" curiosity -- and I've
always loved this area of speculation!

How would this work out; if Arten (who seems to be from - to us - our
future) was Thaddeus/Thessalonius (St. Jude) in the past (again, to our
perception, but I won't keep repeating that explanation...); but now, in our
present, he is presumably living a "human" life (let's call this version of
him, "Thessa-2K"), and Gary was told he is supposed to know him... Would
that mean that when Arten appeared to Gary here in our apparent space/time
locus, Arten was here both as Arten ("ascended master visiting from our
future") as well as Thessa-2K, contemporary human, but same "soul" (apparent
human manifestation of the small-"s" self)... (?) {whoa... I need
another cup of coffee...}

Anyhow, this is probably a really good example of why
words/symbols-of-symbols totally fail when it comes to expressing this
stuff! But I think I pretty well get it in general, about all of this "time
continuum" really having already happened, and all at once -- with no
duration at all. And how our "real Self" (the capital-"S" self) -- who is
really only One -- seems to be experiencing Itself (in a "dream") as all of
our individualized human experiences; both past, present, and future.

I am less clear, however, on how our "souls" fit into all this... and by
"souls", I guess I mean the part of me that thinks "I'm Gene", and was the
"same soul" who thought he was a sailor-man (perhaps a pirate..?) about two
hundred years ago, and who thought he (she) was a cave-woman type, long
before that.... Now I understand that ultimately, all "these lives" are
really the dream experiences of one Self; but there seem to be "soul paths"
that our individual concsiousnesses seem to follow "within" the overall
dream; how "Arten used to be Thaddeus" two thousand years ago, and in "our
present" he's Thessa-2K; and in what will be our "future", he will be Arten,
and will become Enlightened.... How Gene used to be Cave Woman (I don't
know what my name was, but I/she was quite the amazon, capable as any male,
thank you -- and very much the provider for her family)... and then that
same soul was at sea in the 18th century; and is now (as Gene) typing these
words... and who knows, maybe this "lifetime" will be the "last", in human
form....

So I've kinda drifted off (where are my nautical skills when I need
them?)... however, I certainly want to hear what everybody thinks about all
this.

But my "original" question on this topic was; if Arten "came back" here to
talk with Gary -- why did he not talk to himself (Thessa-2K) as well? I
would think (and I know I'm probably misguided here) that if I achieved
Enlightenment and "visited" a human in the past -- and if I knew a "former
lifetime" of my own was walking around, also in need of illumination -- I
think I'd really want to stop by and pass on a few words of wisdom to my
poor former Me... (This is something I'd like to do right now; shoot back
in time to my childhood, and tell Little Gene a few things that would make
the next few decades a whole lot more pleasant for him......)

If nothing else, we may come up with a great plot for next summer's
big-budget sci-fi movie blockbuster!!!

Gene

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Carrie wrote:

Was Jon Mundy's magazine always called that?

Wasn't it called "On Course" or something?

I think you're right, Carrie. I think Jon had a magazine for many
years, which I heard about but didn't subscribe to, called "On
Course." My understanding is that "Miracles Magazine" is a newer,
more stream-lined version of this. I think it's great. It's hard to
make e-mail addresses come out right here, so I'll try this. To
request a free subsciption to Miracles Magazine, write: Jon at
Miracles Magazine dot org, except put it all together correctly. Boy!
Love and peace, Gary.

Ossie wrote:

Well look no more

I AM THADDAEUS!!!

Thanks Ossie! I'm going to call the Vatican and have them investigate
this as a miracle. We'll be in touch. Love and peace, Gary.

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Linda wrote:

Yes, Arten was Thessalonius in his life with Jesus. He is written

about in the Bible.

Hi Linda, I was writing my post and you beat me to it. No hurry, but
maybe sometime you could share with us where Thessalonius (Thaddaeus)
is written about in the Bible, just so I'll know more about it.
Thanks! Love and peace, Gary.

Thomas wrote:

Hi all,

Who is Thessalonius? I've searched encyclopedias, and I can't find
the name. Is it in the DU, and I've just forgotten?
Thanks,

Thomas, son of Acimgirl

Hi son of Acimgirl. Say hi to mother of acim son for me. My
understanding (which is not extrememly elevated in this particular
instance) is that Thessalonius is another name for Thaddaeus (aka
Arten.) So I answered with that understanding, which someone seemed
to indicate to me in an e-mail was correct.
As you may recall, I'm supposed to know Arten in this lifetime
as well, so Linda was asking if I've figured out who that is yet. The
answer so far is, dah... But I'm sure this will unfold as it should.
Actually, as far as I know there isn't a heck of a lot written
about Thaddaeus in the Bible either. I think one of the Gospels lists
the twelve disciples and mentions him last. He's also known as Saint
Judas of James and is now prayed to (only for the last few hundred
years) as St. Jude, the Patron Saint of impossible or desperate
causes. (Like me living in Hawaii.) I don't know if there's much more
than that. Arten says he was quiet and a good learner. He also says a
little more about him in "Disappearance," but I don't know if much
else is known historically about this mysterious, happy learner. Love
and peace, Gary.

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Thanks Gary.

I plan to read it just like any other book, not like I know the
author or have read discussions about it.

Don't know how long this will take, I seem to have gotten away from
reading, which I used to do all the time.

Either I'm getting old (and it's harder to see small print (LOL) or
it's because of having a computer and now being on cyber time.

Also, this morning I got stung by a bee, on my eyelid!

I was outside and it just sort of came out of nowhere.

I don't think I've gotten stung by a bee for over 10 years, I
remember one time getting stung on the foot when I was outside
watering the lawn in my barefeet.

My eyelid swelled up, and my eye has been watering, and it hurt (of
course) but I put alternate hot/cold cloths on it, and now have been
forgetting about it and it seems to be okay.

Just kind of annoying with one eye partially closed up.

I try and see the lessons in everything and wonder what the lesson
might be in this?

Keep a closer watch out for where bee's nests might be?

~ Carrie

I found some websites in google.

Seems like it's either someone's name, involved in magic, and/or a
book of the bible? (It doesn't sound familiar to me)

~ Carrie

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<tawes2032@y...> wrote:

Hi all,
Who is Thessalonius? I've searched encyclopedias, and I can't find
the name. Is it in the DU, and I've just forgotten?
Thanks,

Thomas, son of Acimgirl


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<garyrrenard@y...> wrote:

Linda wrote:

Gary, have you figured out which form Thessalonius has taken in

this

lifetime?

Linda

Hi Linda. Not yet! But I have some ideas, and I'm sure the answer
will present itself when it's supposed to. I'll let you know.

Love

and peace, Gary.

Actually it is a "correction" (and Ken Wapnick is the one who
pointed it out to me and called it this, when I was new to the course
and asked him about the "foolish thing" passage)

it's just who is it a correction by?

Jesus- who didn't seem to make mistakes, like saying something that
needed another whole paragraph, later on (out of context with what
that chapter was about) and not just having Helen go to the original
lines and cross out, write in the margins, and change it.

I think it could have been find and stood on it's own the way it was
first written.

But someone's fear decided to correct it and change it later on in
the book.

There's also the idea that the course teaches that we CAN'T "do
harm/hurt to anyone else".

Doesn't really matter, whatever anyone believes is true is true.

~ Carrie


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Carrie wrote:

This is later "corrected" (if Jesus really corrected it, and

Helen

didn't- realizing the implications of what she had previously
written) and changed to "as long as it doesn't hurt him or anyone
else".<<

Hi Carrie:

Yes, I think the Course needs to be taken as a whole. Not just the

parts we like. Here is that other section that you refer to. And I do
not think it was a correction.

(T.16.I.6.4-8.7)
"I have said that if a brother asks a foolish thing of you do it.

But be

certain that this does not mean to do a foolish thing that would

hurt either

him or you, for what would hurt one will hurt the other. Foolish

requests

are foolish merely because they conflict, since they always contain

some

elements of specialness. Only the Holy Spirit recognizes foolish

needs as

well as real ones. and He will teach you how to meet both without

losing

either."

Seems like any other corrections were made where the orginal

words

were, and this changed.<<

Well I think that some of later parts of the Text are too

threatening to our egos, and our need for specialness, so many like
not even to read them, and would certainly not like to have them seen
as dictated by Jesus. :-)

~ Martha

Hi all,
Who is Thessalonius? I've searched encyclopedias, and I can't find
the name. Is it in the DU, and I've just forgotten?
Thanks,

Thomas, son of Acimgirl


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<garyrrenard@y...> wrote:

Linda wrote:

Gary, have you figured out which form Thessalonius has taken in

this

lifetime?

Linda

Hi Linda. Not yet! But I have some ideas, and I'm sure the answer
will present itself when it's supposed to. I'll let you know. Love
and peace, Gary.

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I mentioned in another post, and just looked up to get the exact name
and details.

This is a report of his "passing" and something about him and his
life.


Our beloved minister/teacher and spiritual guide, Eric Butterworth,
made a peaceful transition into the Flow of Eternal Life on Thursday,
April 17, 2003, at Greenwich Hospital in Greenwich, Connecticut. Eric
was considered a legend and spiritual icon in the Unity movement.
Charles Fillmore, grandson of the founder of Unity, has described him
as "Unity's leading spokesman." We will never know the countless
number of lives that have been changed by applying the Spiritual
Principles taught by Eric Butterworth.
The author of 16 best-selling books on metaphysical spirituality, a
gifted theologian, philosopher, and lecturer, Eric was a highly
respected New Age pioneer and innovator of New Thought, whose life
was dedicated to helping people to help themselves. His teaching was
focused on the Divinity of all people and his desire was that
everyone would know their Oneness with God. He began his daily radio
broadcasts, which at times went around the world, with the words: "
You can change your life by altering your thoughts." A gentle voice
with a powerful message, he inspired hundreds of thousands of people
for over fifty years. His vital radio messages, most needed in our
time, will continue.

A scholar and educator, Eric established three powerful Unity
ministries. The first was in Pittsburgh. He then moved to Detroit,
where his teaching resulted in the building of the Detroit Unity
Temple, the largest Unity church at that time, where more that 2,000
people attended his Sunday Services each week. While in Detroit, he
authored his first book, Unity: A Quest for Truth. In 1961, Eric
began his ministry in New York City. He lectured every Sunday at
Carnegie Hall, then Town Hall, and since 1976, Avery Fisher Hall,
where the weekly attendance grew to several thousand.

In 1968, Eric wrote his first bestseller, Discover the Power Within
You, which is considered a classic in the New Thought Spiritual
Movement. His other popular books include Spiritual Economics, The
Universe

Is Calling, and Life Is for Loving. His latest book, The Creative
Life: 7 Keys to Your Inner Genius, has received widespread
recommendation and praise. Eric's books have been translated into
several languages, and he has often been referred to as a "Twentieth
Century Emerson." A visionary and an innovator, he originated the
Spiritual Therapy Workshops, which he conducted for over 35 years.

His devotees include people from all walks and stations of life, all
of whom state that his teachings helped to change their lives. In the
premier issue of "O" Magazine, Oprah Winfrey identified Discover the
Power Within You as one of the books that changed her perspective on
life and religion. It is on her list of "classics" that she will
recommend in her new book club. Oprah states: "Eric Butterworth
teaches that God isn't 'up there.' He exists inside each one of us,
and it's up to us to seek the Divine within." Her favorite quote by
Eric is: "The greatest mistake is believing that we are 'only human.'
We are human by expression but Divine in creation and limitless in
potentiality." Dr. Maya Angelou, beloved by millions, has stated of
Eric: "He has been, is now, and shall forever be my teacher." The
unique spiritual bond that existed between Eric and Maya is evident
to all who know them. Noted composer, Marvin Hamlish, another
admirer, said: "All who heard him were truly inspired. He led them
home to themselves. Eric was a true prophet."

Born in Winnipeg, Canada in 1916, Eric attended Fresno State
University and Capital University in Ohio, where he studied music. He
began training for the ministry at Unity Village in Missouri during
WWII. He left to join the army and, as a lieutenant in the Medical
Corps, trained medical personnel and also served as chaplain and
counselor. After the war, he returned to his ministerial studies and
graduated from Unity Ministerial School.

Eric Butterworth was scheduled to deliver his much-anticipated Easter
message at Avery Fisher Hall. The lecture he had written was
delivered instead by Olga Butterworth, whose meditations have
complimented Eric's Sunday messages since their marriage in 1972.

In addition to Olga, Eric is survived by his sons, Tom of New Canaan,
Connecticut; Alan of St. Louis; and Charles of Baltimore; and eight
grandchildren.

Gifts, specifically designated: "To the Memory of Eric Butterworth,"
may be sent to The Unity Center, Box 1501, Greenwich, CT 06836.

Eric was 86 years old but was always fond of saying: "My age is none
of my business." and "I am as old as God and as young as the
morning." We say to him in love and gratitude: "Good morning, Eric!
We bless you in this new beginning on your eternal journey in the
Light of Love."


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