GB wrote

>>Hey Linda;? nice detective work!!<<

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Yes, that goes for me too. But I must be blind, or something, because I can't find Nelson either. Now I want to see his face. (LOL) Is he listed somewhere else, other than under members names?

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Hey Linda; ?nice detective work!!

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And yet a teeny tiny addition. The whole reason I mentioned the hood of the car, etc. is that Carrie said that previously when she looked, Nelson's picture was on the profile, but when she looked later, it was there. I KNOW the picture was there and it could not have not ever been there since 1997, so I would tend to surmise that what happened was similar to my neighbor and the hood. And just because the Course tells me that the world is my classroom and that my responsibility is the Atonement for myself - not Carrie or my neighbor - but myself, I look to see where I am doing it as well. And if I don't think I am somewhere, I am kidding myself - such as in the story where I told Frank about how I didn't think I lied. Yeah, right. I lie to myself! It's the things that I most don't want to see in myself that bug me the very most and that are the hardest to see in myself. LindaL wrote:

There was another thing I meant to add here. We do not notice the things we think we notice.

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Last month my car was making a terrible noise. My neighbor got all worried about it. She asked me what was wrong, and I told her I did not know. She asked me several other times in the next 15 minutes, too, what was wrong, and, again, I told her I did not know. I don't think that point ever penetrated! (Meanwhile, I was thinking to myself where I do the same thing sometimes in other larger perhaps sitatuations - where I just don't get the point.)

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She had started out by asking me if I had been in an accident. I replied no. She said that she saw that my hood was smashed in. I replied that that had happened around four years ago when the previous owner had owned the car. She told me in effect that that couldn't be true, because she had never noticed it! LOL

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I am seeing exactly the same thing here. Nelson's picture was there all along, but since Carrie had not noticed it, it could not have been there!

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Now why did my neighbor not notice it before then? Maybe because she had no reason to see it; she wasn't looking for it. It wasn't until she heard the noise and her mind was searching for a reason as to why the noise was occurring. The only visible thing she could see - as she was now looking harder than previously - was the hood. It was in fact that the heat shield was loose - underneath the car, but she jumped to her own conclusion with the first thing that came to her mind - and would probably swear in a court that that was true - that my car had not had a hood damaged before she went looking for the reason for what was upsetting her.

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Now then, this is a perfect setup for using the world as a classroom. "I am not upset for the reason that I think." Firstly, the hood was not the reason that she was upset. Was the heat shield the reason she was upset - the thing she could not even see. Symbolically, it is a good symbol, but it goes beyond that. I cannot speak for my neighbor, but when I do that - and I do! in other things - everybody does whether they can see it or not - it is because I am wanting to turn attention away from keeping an inner "ear" focused on Jesus or the Holy Spirit.

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So this whole thing is symbolical to me and a reminder for myself. And I am not forgetting to laugh at myself when I do it. To take it seriously would be not to forgive myself.Watching it and recognizing it for what it is, I can be more alert to catching my self when I do it the next time. Yes, making assumptions. Miguel Ruiz wrote 1/4 of a book on not making assumptions in The Four Agreements? - with it being one of four agreements to work on all through life. Don't take things personally. That's another one. I am being reminded of this, too, as I watch and learn.

Linda Langlois wrote:

The home page of this group has all the proof needed. This is at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Disappearance_of_the_Universe. Nelson
has made a completely open site here so that the membership can be
looked up. In some groups you cannot see that. There can be all
kinds of limitations. Anyway, I looked at the membership as soon as
I joined. I always do, because I like to see if anyone I know is on
it as well. I like to poke around and see if how many people are
around my age, where people are from, interests they have, etc. - if
they have put it on their profile. I check to see the Files, Photos,
Links, etc. In DU there was nothing in those links. I always look to
see who is the moderator, too, and who is the owner. It is easy to
see who because there is a legend on the left frame of the page
telling how to find out. I saw that there was an owner and not a
moderator. I saw Nelson's info and profile right away.

The way these yahoo groups are set up, it tells the day a person
joins, and it cannot be changed by the owner. It is there for anyone
to see. On the profiles it also tells when the profile was last
edited.

There was only one message in the first month. That was from Nelson.
He joined on 5/19/03 and edited his profile on 12/01/97. He is the
earliest member of the group obviously. So his picture and all the
info about him has not been touched since 12/01/97 - way before
Gary's book was published! (I'm writing this message from the group
home, which has no formatging abilities or I would have bolded this.)

I joined on 5/17/03, and my profile was last edited on 7/15/03. (I
eliminated some interests.)

Karen Renard joined on 5/19/03 and last edited her profile on
4/02/02.

Gary Renard joined DU on 5/19/03 and last edited his profile on
5/19/03.

The evidence is in!!! There is no way possible that Karen or Gary or
anyone else could be the owner or moderator of this group! Nelson
posted at least 3 messages before they ever even joined! I even
joined before them!

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> I just answered a post from Carrie at the Newsgroup from Heaven:

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There was another thing I meant to add here. We do not notice the things we think we notice.

?

Last month my car was making a terrible noise. My neighbor got all worried about it. She asked me what was wrong, and I told her I did not know. She asked me several other times in the next 15 minutes, too, what was wrong, and, again, I told her I did not know. I don't think that point ever penetrated! (Meanwhile, I was thinking to myself where I do the same thing sometimes in other larger perhaps sitatuations - where I just don't get the point.)

?

She had started out by asking me if I had been in an accident. I replied no. She said that she saw that my hood was smashed in. I replied that that had happened around four years ago when the previous owner had owned the car. She told me in effect that that couldn't be true, because she had never noticed it! LOL

?

I am seeing exactly the same thing here. Nelson's picture was there all along, but since Carrie had not noticed it, it could not have been there!

?

Now why did my neighbor not notice it before then? Maybe because she had no reason to see it; she wasn't looking for it. It wasn't until she heard the noise and her mind was searching for a reason as to why the noise was occurring. The only visible thing she could see - as she was now looking harder than previously - was the hood. It was in fact that the heat shield was loose - underneath the car, but she jumped to her own conclusion with the first thing that came to her mind - and would probably swear in a court that that was true - that my car had not had a hood damaged before she went looking for the reason for what was upsetting her.

?

Now then, this is a perfect setup for using the world as a classroom. "I am not upset for the reason that I think." Firstly, the hood was not the reason that she was upset. Was the heat shield the reason she was upset - the thing she could not even see. Symbolically, it is a good symbol, but it goes beyond that. I cannot speak for my neighbor, but when I do that - and I do! in other things - everybody does whether they can see it or not - it is because I am wanting to turn attention away from keeping an inner "ear" focused on Jesus or the Holy Spirit.

?

So this whole thing is symbolical to me and a reminder for myself. And I am not forgetting to laugh at myself when I do it. To take it seriously would be not to forgive myself.Watching it and recognizing it for what it is, I can be more alert to catching my self when I do it the next time. Yes, making assumptions. Miguel Ruiz wrote 1/4 of a book on not making assumptions in The Four Agreements? - with it being one of four agreements to work on all through life. Don't take things personally. That's another one. I am being reminded of this, too, as I watch and learn.

Linda Langlois wrote:

The home page of this group has all the proof needed. This is at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Disappearance_of_the_Universe. Nelson
has made a completely open site here so that the membership can be
looked up. In some groups you cannot see that. There can be all
kinds of limitations. Anyway, I looked at the membership as soon as
I joined. I always do, because I like to see if anyone I know is on
it as well. I like to poke around and see if how many people are
around my age, where people are from, interests they have, etc. - if
they have put it on their profile. I check to see the Files, Photos,
Links, etc. In DU there was nothing in those links. I always look to
see who is the moderator, too, and who is the owner. It is easy to
see who because there is a legend on the left frame of the page
telling how to find out. I saw that there was an owner and not a
moderator. I saw Nelson's info and profile right away.

The way these yahoo groups are set up, it tells the day a person
joins, and it cannot be changed by the owner. It is there for anyone
to see. On the profiles it also tells when the profile was last
edited.

There was only one message in the first month. That was from Nelson.
He joined on 5/19/03 and edited his profile on 12/01/97. He is the
earliest member of the group obviously. So his picture and all the
info about him has not been touched since 12/01/97 - way before
Gary's book was published! (I'm writing this message from the group
home, which has no formatging abilities or I would have bolded this.)

I joined on 5/17/03, and my profile was last edited on 7/15/03. (I
eliminated some interests.)

Karen Renard joined on 5/19/03 and last edited her profile on
4/02/02.

Gary Renard joined DU on 5/19/03 and last edited his profile on
5/19/03.

The evidence is in!!! There is no way possible that Karen or Gary or
anyone else could be the owner or moderator of this group! Nelson
posted at least 3 messages before they ever even joined! I even
joined before them!

--- In Disappearance_of_the_Universe@..., "garyrrenard"
wrote:
> I just answered a post from Carrie at the Newsgroup from Heaven:

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