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Re: A + P used to mean something
I think the world does exsist, because we are creating it with our
minds. And choosing to be part of it. Personal reality and combined/mass consciousness reality overall. Just that we can remember on a Higher Level it's not Truth, which is that we are all One and One with God. And not take what seems to be real and happening "in the world" too seriously. As Jesus said "in the world but not of it". Detached from ego issues, that don't really matter in the overall scope of things. "Does this really matter"? and such... And *I* am the one who is hurt and/or benefits by which teacher I choose to listen to at any given time. Something to aim for anyway. ~ Carrie --- In Disappearance_of_the_Universe@..., "mstreet" <mastreet@t...> wrote: Jeanette wrote:my responses to my brother which are erroneous, and illusional, andI do feel the world exists, and so does my brother. I feel it is how I see my brother is greatly misperceived.<< exists. As Ossie pointed out, when I look in the mirror I still see me, looking back at me. So obviously I think I exist. says in the Introduction to the Course.
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Re: Re-posting: FYI: I have no control over this board
Hi Gary,
Sorry about last night, I kind of overreacted (I have all fire and air signs and tend to combust) But it all worked out, and I feel it's resolved (in a really good way) with Patrick and Karen. "All things are lessong God would have us learn", and such. I don't know about you, I don't think you and I had a problem to start with (LOL) btw, are you originally from MA? You mentioned going there and one of your emails (that Karen used) seems to indicate that. But then I think your name is french, and Lewiston was a predominately french area, at least at one time. We used to get the paper from there (long ago) and considered it as a place to move to. For some reason I always think of it as sunny (don't know why, I haven't seen it all that much) Just wondering about MA because I grew up in Revere, North(Shore) of Boston. ~ Carrie --- In Disappearance_of_the_Universe@..., "garyrrenard" <garyrrenard@y...> wrote: shouldDoes this group have stated rules?I didn't notice. be able to see for yourself by now, people are free to say anythingbook in the mail you'll see that Pursah says very early, "You will findwe are very free with our speech indeed." I like to follow their |
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Re: Re-Posting: FYI: I have no control over this board
Hi Martha,
Nice to see you again. I had joined this group, but didn't plan on participating until I read the book (which is on it's way to me at this time) Got a little sidetracked from stuff on the newsgroup, but that has all been resolved. I can't speak for anyone else, but I feel the air has been cleared. Some see this as "negative" and "inappropriate behavior" but I see it as working things out. If we have issues and stuff them, and don't talk about them they'll probably never get resolved and worked through and those involved reach a peaceful understanding. Which I believe has happened since last night. As to having guidelines about a board/group being ACIM related, to me all of my life is ACIM related. I can't separate it and define what is or isn't course related. Some people seem to have a life and find ACIM and try and fit it in. I found ACIM and now try and have a life that fits into that. Not saying one way is any better or more desirable than another. ~ Carrie --- In Disappearance_of_the_Universe@..., "mstreet" <mastreet@t...> wrote: Carrie wrote:read the book "The Disappearance of the Universe" by Gary R. Renard.Hi Carrie:Does this group have stated rules?<< The topics of discussion should be focused on the teachings of ACIM and the experiences of living the Course. A Course in Miracles? and ACIM? are registered trademarks of FACIM(www.facim.org), the copyright holder.<< I need only be concerned with my purpose. (Something that I easily forget. <g>) And that would be for remembering why <I> am here. And I am not just meaning this board.
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Can't Resist A Re-Post
God's Higher Court Just Handed Out Some CITATIONS:
I'd like to share some CITATIONS from the Course for you newcomers. First, about, "I made you. It is in the Course.": "...What if you recognized this world is an hallucination? What if you really understood you made it up?" (T443) About God making the world and people, not!: "The reality of death is firmly rooted in the belief that God's Son is a body. And if God created bodies, death would indeed be real. But God would not be loving." (M66-67) "The world you see is an illusion of a world. God did not create it, for what He creates must be eternal as Himself." (CL85) About God creating any part of the world, not!: "There is no world! This is the central thought the Course attempts to teach." (W243) About the unseen, unconscious mind controlling bodies, as if they were ROBOTS, but cleverly masking this control through the forces of the universe: "The body appears to be largely self-motivated and independent, yet it actually responds only to the intentions of the mind." (PRxii) About unconscious guilt being the driving force behind this world: "Guilt asks for punishment, and its request is granted. Not in truth, but in the world of shadows and illusions built on sin." (T554) About non-duality. Duality = 2. (This is for you mathematicians out there.) Non-duality = 1, which is non-twoness. Thus oneness means no division. Duality (2) = DIVISION. Thus oneness = NON-DUALITY. Two or more (division) = ego. "The ego is the part of your mind that believes in division. How could a part of God detach itself without believing it is attacking Him?" (T84) The solution? "Forgiveness is the central theme that runs throughout salvation, holding all its parts in meaningful relationships, the course it runs directed and its outcome sure." (W324) Love and peace, Gary. |
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Re: A question
Oh, Jesus. You're right. ;-)
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Linda
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Re: A question
LOLOLOL Ain't it a ball, though? Gene Bogart wrote: Oh, Jesus, Linda... ?I knew what you meant! Do you Yahoo!? - Now only $29.95 per month! |
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Re: Re-Posting: FYI: I have no control over t...
Glad to see you back from lurking, Jim. Not tepid, no!! I thought it was good and thoughtful. I'll be lurking next week for the most part. I'm on vacation this week. Normally, I don't have much time for discussions. red pill wrote:
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Re: A question
mstreet
开云体育Linda wrote:
>>By the way - LOL - I was NOT cussing! I meant Well, I guess Jesus
and ascended masters and awakened people. E-mail is NOT the best communicative
device.<<
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(LOL) are you sure Linda? Nah... I understood. As Ossie
would say "::::sigh::::" sometimes it seems like such a long way yet
to go.
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Re: A question
Oh, Jesus, Linda... ?I knew what you meant!
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red pill
开云体育?(Sorry, Red Pill. You didn't want a lot of quotes. We can each read the book ourselves. Close your eyes. LOL) ? My bad!? I read them anyway. Since my attempted intro and it’s tepid reception I’ve just been lurking and trying to get a better feel for the group. ? It appears to in some kind of transition. ? I do like quotations with thoughtful commentary and as long as there’s MORE commentary than quotes I usually pick up something valuable. ? Great contribution! ? Jim ? |
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Re: A question
By the way - LOL - I was NOT cussing! I meant Well, I guess Jesus and ascended masters and awakened people. E-mail is NOT the best communicative device.
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Re: A question
Well, Jesus. I guess any? ascended masters and live awakened people??? mstreet wrote:
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Re: What is so fear producing...
> Jeanette:Absolutely right... ?What is it the Course says, about how healing is extended in ways we are not even aware of, to people we don't even think we know..? (or something to that effect; forgive my "off-the-cuff" attempt at accuracy;) I believe your closer relationship will definitely extend itself to your patients for their greater good -- as well as yours! Gene |
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A question
mstreet
开云体育I am listening to Ken's workbook lesson tapes. In
lesson 26, "My attack thoughts are attacking my invulnerability" in
chapter 3, in the first paragraph it says: "The idea for today introduces
the thought that you always attack yourself first."
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Then Ken said: "If I perceive you as attacking me,
and I react in that way as if it were true, it is only because I attacked first.
In my mind. This has nothing to do with behavior. That is what that line at the
end of "The Dynamics of the Ego" in chapter 11 says: "If he
speaks not of Christ to you, you spoke not of Christ to him."
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"Again we are not talking about what other people
are doing. We are talking about our perception of what other people are doing.
And by this, we mean our interpretation, that they are attacking us. It doesn't
mean that you don't see attack thoughts in other people. Jesus is seeing attack
thoughts in all of his students. It's when you judge against them, your making
them real."
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To me, it seems like you would have to be a saint or
like Jesus himself, not to judge against people you perceive as attacking. I
know the Course itself, says, the ego always speaks first, and it is always
wrong. And that everything is basically reducible to love or fear. Love or a
call for love. But is there anyone that is so constantly right minded that they
see it this way all of the time?
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Just wondering? Martha |
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Re: What is so fear producing...
Jeanette
开云体育Gene Bogart wrote:
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"a very "down to
earth" manner; sort of "sit down, have a drink and we'll discuss it"
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And a story:
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There is a physician I work with in the ER, she is an older
woman who also is a well respected ER doc in an ER in New York City. She is a
woman of fire.
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We have been trying to get together, on a more personal
level.
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The other night, one late night, she said to
me:
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"Jeanette, let's go outside for a while, so I can have a
cigarette."
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I couldn't at that moment, but, I did later,
later.
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Just talking with her, exchanges of?personal
philosophy, and speaking of some psychology, and life experience as well, made
us much closer. I reckon such relationship will also be extended to our
patients, as well.
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Some day I hope to have lunch with her, outside of the
medical confines of mandated tasks, and emergent stressful experiences. God only
knows what the outcome of such relationship can do.
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Closer is always better.
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Jeanette
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Re: Re-Posting: FYI: I have no control over this board
In a message dated 7/10/2003 11:36:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, starchild1124@... writes:
But then I've also read Abraham Lincoln (supposedly) said "JustIs that the goal, to change how another person feels? starchild1124@... writes: when asked about a song he wrote about a young girl who kills herWhen my son passed away, part of the grieving process was to talk about it, and to discuss it with folks who knew what I was going through and I would discuss it only in a place where it felt safe to do so. It has now coming close to three years since his passing and now I am I getting in touch with and observing the specialness of my situation. So now I am especially mindful of what I really want to put out there when I discuss this particular aspect of my life. Is it an attempt to be special (awwwww, I am so sorry to hear that that your son passed away etc., etc.), or do I want to share with the hopes of being of assistance to others who have are going through the same thing? I vacillate between the two ... but unlike other folks who are completely identified by their role as a greiving parent, spouse, etc., I have a choice to see things differently ... and at this particular time in my life ... that is a tremendous gift. Peace Ossie "Ideas Leave Not Their Source" |
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Re: What is so fear producing...
I have to wonder, though, what is it that is so fear producing aboutI think it's as Jesus says in the Course, "the ego is afraid of you", because it "realizes" that when you discover the Truth about yourself, it will be dispelled... will vanish into the "simply nothing" that it really is. Pretty scary for the poor ego...... ;^) As far as "Disappearance" in particular, I think it may be because the book presents Course-oriented material in a very "down to earth" manner; sort of "sit down, have a drink and we'll discuss it" -- and this makes the concepts SO accessible (and perhaps particularly so to those for whom the Course has not fully resonated yet), that the ego sees this as an exceptional threat. That ol' Ego is a twicky widdle fewwah!! Gene |
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